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In that case, I'm pretty sure more than half of the religious people are also agnostics. And all agnostics are really atheists if they don't believe that they will be eaten by my pink invisible tiger.
The term "atheist" isn't meant to only be applied to people who think they know something they can't know. It's meant to be applied to people who believe no more in some kind of Higher Power than they believe in mice in rainbow colours living in their toilet.
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2009-09-12, 22:23 | Link #1784 | |
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Agnostic - atheist is a false dichotomy and I suspect it has been invented to discredit the position of non-believers.
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2009-09-12, 22:26 | Link #1785 | |
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But personally, I only use the term to describe people who don't put God on the same level as rainbow coloured mice living in their toilet, but ants living under their house. Maybe they are there, maybe they aren't - it's almost impossible to determine, so why not leave it? Only that these ants are somehow special, and thus you might actually think about them and try to figure out whether they are there from time to time.
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2009-09-12, 22:33 | Link #1787 | |
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Yeah, fits with my ants perfectly. I believe in the non-existence of God, though, just like an agnostic might believe in the non-existence of my pink tiger. I don't know there is no God, but I strongly believe there is no God.
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Now this happens when you start making a contribution, then do something else, then finish it. I would have addressed Nogitsune and Cipher's conversation in the post above if it had been there already when I started it.
I said above that atheism and agnosticism is a false dichotomy. Because compared to agnosticism, atheism has the taste of irrationality. Agnosticism on the other hand sound like having no real opinion at all, or at least that your opinion is secondary, because you can't "prove" it anyway. I think that's also nails down Nogitsune's problem. Wikipedia offers a distinction between strong and weak atheism that at least sounds better. Actually, I'd go with Dawkins here: Quote:
Let me make an analogy to better explain what my problem with agnosticism/atheism is: I think it's like going to a Republican convention and offering the following poll: Quote:
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2009-09-13, 23:19 | Link #1792 |
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I define myself by no religion since I see no use in it. do not misunderstand, I do believe in higher powers but I believe the powers above must be understood on a personal experience rather then a mass produced pamphlets. if I must be inclined to any real religion, I see myself as a Taoist, yet my philosophies vary from it. The only true way I feel that one must believe is by a personal view rather then a universal view and to see your place in it all.
I do not think god is out there to save me, I do not think god loves mankind. I think the powers that be are higher then that, that they see us no different then the bees and trees and wolfs and lambs. We go and state the world is here for us, when we never conceive that we are only a minute part of the world. We are such selfish creatures sometime, we conceive everything must revolve around us, that we are the the main players when we might never have been even on center stage. |
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Myself, as many in this thread I qualify myself as an agnostic atheist, though sometimes I lean towards Theological noncognitivism and argue that there is not mcuh sense in discussing religion or God in whatever sense. Quote:
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Everybody can have it (religious and non-religious people). The though of religion having a monopoly on faith is, IMHO, quite a silly one.
Faith in your family, your friends, faith for a better tomorrow, etc; Each and every one of those can be had without the need of religion and each and every one of those can be as strong as their religious counterparts. In the end, is all a matter of truly believing in what you believe!
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Nice way (not) to make a sweeping generalization with insults there, btw.
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2009-09-14, 15:58 | Link #1797 |
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As far as I'm concerned, there should be no need to label atheists, well, atheists.
it's the schizophrenic cult leader that came up with the notion of an omnipotent sky wizard and his followers of goat sacrificing satan worshippers that should be labeled 'mentally unstable' whatever, religion is nothing but shit, and It's a shame I won't see you in the afterlife to tell you 'I told you so' |
2009-09-14, 17:33 | Link #1799 | |
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I do not dislike Athiest, I have a good number of Athiest and Agnostic friends mind you but I do dislike those who are pompous enough to state they "know" there is no god. there is no more a way to prove god does not exist then there is way to prove god exists. too much goes both way and to have the audacity on either side, Theist or Athiest, to say they know annoys me. I have a dislike for Richard Dawkins because his Opinion on reality is not just opinion, but fact. As I've stated, understanding that which is comes from within, not handed to you in a pamplet, no matter what the cover of that pamplet may say. Nice way (NOT) of accusing me of generalization when you didn't read what I said. I dislike it that he is making "Free-thinkers" into the archetypical blind follower and making it hard for other Athiest as intellectual snobs who attack anyone for their beliefs. But my opinion of him is exaclty that: opinion |
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2009-09-14, 23:24 | Link #1800 | |
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Dawkins can certainly be a jackass... but you misunderstand if you think anyone "worships" him. He commands some respect from the "secular humanists" because of his training, his research, and his command of information to use in discussion. In the end analysis though, he's a rather minor voice against the thundering squadrons of "defenders of the faith(s)".
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