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Arya · 2012-01-14, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

The brothers are 14/15 respectively. Many years isn't very long.

Besides, the episode pretty much all but flat out said that Kakeru has literally wasted like 2 years of his life (since the incident happened when he was 12 ) playing casual 'shadow football' at night and nothing else. Plus the trauma.

While his brother's leading U-15 Japan at the international level.

I don't know in Japan how it works, but here in my country I'd say 12/13 yo is quite enough to say if you are good or not, either in Kakeru's case or even more in Suguru's case being such a good player. In the latter it is not something he could have achieved in the mere last 2 years. So he was really good from before. But I don't want to convince anyone here

Plus it is fictional so, who knows? I have to watch the 2nd episode yet, so it could be that he (Kakeru) is not good at all.

leokiko · 2012-01-14, 15:43

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Originally Posted by ZGMF-X10A

wow didn't expect such an ending for episode 2. Kinda reminds of the Cross Game episode 2 or 3 where one of the sisters died. When watching episode 1, and it said this is the last time he played with his brother, I thought that he was going to play for another team or something. If his brother really dies then the plot kinda like Cross Game.

It's sad that most people only watched Cross Game. Go watch Touch, it's much more similar.

Anyway, also wasn't expecting it to happen so soon, it is still very sad.

Arya · 2012-01-14, 21:04

Good episode. Even if it was sad, but expected. Cute the brother to not saying to Nana which is the real anatomical part Kakeru is missing

(j/k)
Anyways

Spoiler for spoiler/speculations:

ZGMF-X10A · 2012-01-14, 22:55

anyone notice that the alien mask person pointed at Kakeru which made him think back about what his brother said. That means the mask person could only be two people, his brother or seven. His brother's reaction when Kakeru went back home narrows it down to one person.

peachfuzz · 2012-01-14, 23:44

never read the Manga but Anime version looks Awesome the end of Ep. 2 was An roller coaster during ending

Nightengale · 2012-01-14, 23:54

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Originally Posted by leokiko

It's sad that most people only watched Cross Game. Go watch Touch, it's much more similar.

Can't exactly blame them. Touch is old a classic, after all.

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Originally Posted by leokiko

Anyway, also wasn't expecting it to happen so soon, it is still very sad.

The manga content that was cut to make the event happen so soon wasn't too bad. I guess they plan to seriously amp up the... emotions going into the next episode.

I'm just a wee bit worried they may overplay that factor.

Spoiler for manga:

AbZeroNow · 2012-01-15, 01:56

Spoiler for Episode 2- Knight in the Area:

It was quite nice to see Kakeru play some actual soccer in the first half of this episode. It was also really interesting to see Seven giving her own commentary on what she's seeing(and also explaining some things to use the audience) and Kouta being a little dim but very supportive of Kakeru. The arrogant guy criticizing Kakeru too at the same time. Suguru's passes to Kakeru were quite intense, and I like seeing how Kakeru kept trying to get them. It was gorgeous to see him finally get one pass, but then he switched to his right foot and couldn't score.

Then we get an explanation of why it would have been better for Kakeru to use his left foot in that instance. "Mr. No Goal" is one of those nicknames that must suck to have. Then we see Kakeru get another pass and then he tries to actually use his left foot, and shoots it way wide of the goal. Bummer. Then his brother substitutes him out, and Suguru's side goes on to win it.

Seven tries to cheer Kakeru up, and then she talks to Suguru. Seven then tells why she thinks that Kakeru has potential, and Suguru says that it isn't skill nor stamina that is holding Kakeru back, it's his lack of heart. Of course, Kakeru overhears this. That must really suck. Again, I am getting hints that Seven really believes in Kakeru and she wants to help him succeed.

Kakeru's and Suguru's other family members are a little interesting too. Their younger sister knows what we the audience already know: Kakeru really likes Seven. Then the dad makes a few adorably bad puns which remind me of the charm of Squid Girl but that is neither here or there.

Then more of the alien-masked figure against Kakeru in the park, and Kakeru mentions that when he was younger, a kick that he made with his left foot severely injured a teammate. I was a little surprised that the thing with the left foot was psychological. I guess that gives him some hope of being able to overcome his overreliance on his right foot. Then the alien who is roughly the same height as Kakeru(his brother is too tall to be the alien, so it has to be Seven) does some gesture with Kakeru's heart area, and then takes off a short time later. This leads to a big fight later with Suguru, who seems a little confused as to why Kakeru snapped.

Seeing Kakeru chase after Suguru on his bike(since Kakeru's bike had a flat) reminded me of those cut scenes on the original Punch Out for the NES. So good job there, animators. Of course for the brothers, it reminded them of a time when they were younger. I liked how Suguru told Kakeru that no one wins alone, and that the team would need someone who could actually catch his passes to really win. Kakeru responds by showing some honesty with himself, by saying that he wishes to quit the team. Then we see an out of control car, and then Suguru pushes Kakeru away and shields him from the impact by being on top of him.

Poor Seven though. She notices that there is a bag from her school near the accident site, and then she goes to check, and she cries in anguish for Suguru and then louder for Kakeru(she says Suguru-san and Kakeru(no honorific).

The preview for the next episode has some rather obvious death flags for Suguru, and it looks like it could be a very emotional episode.

Looking at how the episode set itself up, I guess it wanted that last scene to be a cliffhanger. I will reserve judgement on how they handle this latest development when the next episode comes. I am looking forward to seeing how this impacts(no pun intended) Kakeru's relationship with Seven. I also hope that Kakeru doesn't suddenly undergo a 180 in his views on a few things, I'd rather see things gradually change with him.

I give this episode a 8/10, mostly because I really like Kakeru and Seven, and I am interested to seeing what happens next.

SoFarGone · 2012-01-15, 05:46

hmm didn't exactly have the same impact as the manga.

Nightengale · 2012-01-15, 07:18

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Originally Posted by SoFarGone

hmm didn't exactly have the same impact as the manga.

My main hope for this anime is that it sparks extra scanlation interest, or at least... acceleration of scanlation speed.

The scanlation's 17 volumes behind, and with Area no Kishi... the developments can be a little bit slow.

Otani-kun · 2012-01-15, 08:02

Meh, dont like how they changed that scene from the manga.

-Sho- · 2012-01-15, 12:56

Yeah the story reminds me the old Touch with the twin brothers , nostalgia.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-01-15, 14:29

I did read the manga chapter today, just for comparison's sake. I agree the way the scene is presented in the manga is somewhat more jarring, but TBH I'm surprised to see so many people as offended as they are by the change. I think the anime chose to go with a little more of a suspense approach - dropping small visual clues that something was coming, while the manga chose to give the characters a chance to react "on camera". I can see liking the manga version better, but I don't see it as a deal-breaker.

SoFarGone · 2012-01-15, 15:21

Just wondering would a following scene be too bloody for the current timeslot?

Spoiler:

king12354 · 2012-01-15, 15:33

I don't quite remember what happened exactly in the manga but it didn't seem too different. I don't see it as a point of criticism, however I thought that the last scene could have had more impact.

SoFarGone · 2012-01-15, 16:07

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Originally Posted by king12354

I don't quite remember what happened exactly in the manga but it didn't seem too different. I don't see it as a point of criticism, however I thought that the last scene could have had more impact.

Spoiler for manga version:

Slick_rick · 2012-01-15, 17:07

The problem I find with the anime change is it seems like Kakeru froze when the truck was coming for him. His brother who wasn't even looking in the direction of the truck was able to see and react to it while he stood there staring at it. Even how the scenes connect right before the accident happens seem disjointed in the anime.

The scene really stuck out as an unnecessary change and damaging to Kakeru's character. Personally I think he is looked down upon enough in the manga to begin with by the other characters so the anime adding more scenes for that purpose seems overkill to me. It's one thing to accuse him of lacking heart but now also seems they want to come out with the more blatant accusation that he's a coward.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-01-15, 18:16

I didn't read that into the situation at all. I think it's a bit of a stretch, frankly.

Slick_rick · 2012-01-15, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

I didn't read that into the situation at all. I think it's a bit of a stretch, frankly.

In what way? I don't believe I stretch logic in anyway actually. Now there is room for different interpretations but I think a change here definitely has an effect on the narrative of the story.

They probably just wanted to make Kakeru's brother more of a hero in the situation but by doing that it also affects Kakeru's character. We have to ask ourselves what it says about his character that he was unable to react to the truck himself. It is now much easier and a way justifiable to blame Kakeru for hesitation which wasn't possible in the manga even though some might not choice to blame him even now. It at least opens up that kind of interpretation.

A change like this to an important scene shouldn't be made haphazardly because of the opening up of a litany of different interpretations from the original. It can affect the entire story and how we view the characters though out it. It might not effect everyone interpretation in the same way or to the same extent but I think it does affect every interpretation in some way.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-01-15, 19:18

For me it's a stretch to say that scene made Kakeru look like a coward. I just don't think it was intended to portray that, and I don't think it will come off that way for most people - maybe I'm wrong. While the details of the scene and the impact are different from the manga, I don't think Kakeru comes off any worse. I think it was just done to give Suguru a chance to go out in a little more of a heroic fashion.

Nightengale · 2012-01-15, 19:26

I think it's all a matter of interpretation here.

Personally, I won't say that Kakeru felt more like a coward in this anime... It's pretty much the same in the manga as well. Kakeru felt a lot more animated ( pun intended ), which adds to that, but I don't think there were any significant 'make him more of a wuss' effect.

Heck, even the accident scene. The one thing that bothered me the most of the accident was the fact that I felt the 'on-bike' conversation to be a lot, lot more natural than how the anime portrayed it. The accident could've been done better, but I felt like it was more of a case of how abrupt the transition was. As for the censorship of the scene where...

Spoiler:

... It can't be helped.

To me, I'll reserve my judgement until the next episode to really see where they go with the slightly different angle of approach to the coming events. Sure, it is possible that they may 'wuss it up' and throw in the extra drama and angst, but maybe it's not.

2012-01-14, 21:04	Link #83
Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	Good episode. Even if it was sad, but expected. Cute the brother to not saying to Nana which is the real anatomical part Kakeru is missing (j/k) Anyways Spoiler for spoiler/speculations: I hope that Kakeru doesn't blame himself to much, or worse, as feared by Johnny. I mean, it looks like his brother saved him, but Kakeru wasn't doing anything stupid. So it is not like it's his fault at all. For the alien matter, it looks like nana didn't know of kakeru's left leg, and Kakeru pointed out how Alien already knew about it. But the coincidence of the "heart" gesture hinted to his brother or to Nana. Suspicious. I don't buy it. Probably he's some new character. Anyways, Nana is cute as the previous episode __________________ *The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.*

2012-01-14, 22:55	Link #84
ZGMF-X10A Tsukiyomi -Moon Phase- Join Date: Jun 2003	anyone notice that the alien mask person pointed at Kakeru which made him think back about what his brother said. That means the mask person could only be two people, his brother or seven. His brother's reaction when Kakeru went back home narrows it down to one person. __________________

2012-01-15, 05:46	Link #88
SoFarGone H.A.M. Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: somewhere on this planet	hmm didn't exactly have the same impact as the manga. __________________

2012-01-15, 15:21	Link #93
SoFarGone H.A.M. Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: somewhere on this planet	Just wondering would a following scene be too bloody for the current timeslot? Spoiler: the steelpipe that went through Kakeru's chest. I wouldn't be surprise if they skip that scene and went straight to the hospital. __________________

2012-01-15, 17:07	Link #96
Slick_rick Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philadelphia, Pa	The problem I find with the anime change is it seems like Kakeru froze when the truck was coming for him. His brother who wasn't even looking in the direction of the truck was able to see and react to it while he stood there staring at it. Even how the scenes connect right before the accident happens seem disjointed in the anime. The scene really stuck out as an unnecessary change and damaging to Kakeru's character. Personally I think he is looked down upon enough in the manga to begin with by the other characters so the anime adding more scenes for that purpose seems overkill to me. It's one thing to accuse him of lacking heart but now also seems they want to come out with the more blatant accusation that he's a coward. __________________

2012-01-14, 23:44	Link #85
peachfuzz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brookyln	never read the Manga but Anime version looks Awesome the end of Ep. 2 was An roller coaster during ending

2012-01-15, 01:56	Link #87
AbZeroNow North American Haruhiist Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 43	Spoiler for Episode 2- Knight in the Area: It was quite nice to see Kakeru play some actual soccer in the first half of this episode. It was also really interesting to see Seven giving her own commentary on what she's seeing(and also explaining some things to use the audience) and Kouta being a little dim but very supportive of Kakeru. The arrogant guy criticizing Kakeru too at the same time. Suguru's passes to Kakeru were quite intense, and I like seeing how Kakeru kept trying to get them. It was gorgeous to see him finally get one pass, but then he switched to his right foot and couldn't score. Then we get an explanation of why it would have been better for Kakeru to use his left foot in that instance. "Mr. No Goal" is one of those nicknames that must suck to have. Then we see Kakeru get another pass and then he tries to actually use his left foot, and shoots it way wide of the goal. Bummer. Then his brother substitutes him out, and Suguru's side goes on to win it. Seven tries to cheer Kakeru up, and then she talks to Suguru. Seven then tells why she thinks that Kakeru has potential, and Suguru says that it isn't skill nor stamina that is holding Kakeru back, it's his lack of heart. Of course, Kakeru overhears this. That must really suck. Again, I am getting hints that Seven really believes in Kakeru and she wants to help him succeed. Kakeru's and Suguru's other family members are a little interesting too. Their younger sister knows what we the audience already know: Kakeru really likes Seven. Then the dad makes a few adorably bad puns which remind me of the charm of Squid Girl but that is neither here or there. Then more of the alien-masked figure against Kakeru in the park, and Kakeru mentions that when he was younger, a kick that he made with his left foot severely injured a teammate. I was a little surprised that the thing with the left foot was psychological. I guess that gives him some hope of being able to overcome his overreliance on his right foot. Then the alien who is roughly the same height as Kakeru(his brother is too tall to be the alien, so it has to be Seven) does some gesture with Kakeru's heart area, and then takes off a short time later. This leads to a big fight later with Suguru, who seems a little confused as to why Kakeru snapped. Seeing Kakeru chase after Suguru on his bike(since Kakeru's bike had a flat) reminded me of those cut scenes on the original Punch Out for the NES. So good job there, animators. Of course for the brothers, it reminded them of a time when they were younger. I liked how Suguru told Kakeru that no one wins alone, and that the team would need someone who could actually catch his passes to really win. Kakeru responds by showing some honesty with himself, by saying that he wishes to quit the team. Then we see an out of control car, and then Suguru pushes Kakeru away and shields him from the impact by being on top of him. Poor Seven though. She notices that there is a bag from her school near the accident site, and then she goes to check, and she cries in anguish for Suguru and then louder for Kakeru(she says Suguru-san and Kakeru(no honorific). The preview for the next episode has some rather obvious death flags for Suguru, and it looks like it could be a very emotional episode. Looking at how the episode set itself up, I guess it wanted that last scene to be a cliffhanger. I will reserve judgement on how they handle this latest development when the next episode comes. I am looking forward to seeing how this impacts(no pun intended) Kakeru's relationship with Seven. I also hope that Kakeru doesn't suddenly undergo a 180 in his views on a few things, I'd rather see things gradually change with him. I give this episode a 8/10, mostly because I really like Kakeru and Seven, and I am interested to seeing what happens next.

2012-01-15, 08:02	Link #90
Otani-kun Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Age: 35	Meh, dont like how they changed that scene from the manga.

2012-01-15, 12:56	Link #91
-Sho- ~Omedetô~ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !	Yeah the story reminds me the old Touch with the twin brothers , nostalgia.

2012-01-15, 15:33	Link #94
king12354 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	I don't quite remember what happened exactly in the manga but it didn't seem too different. I don't see it as a point of criticism, however I thought that the last scene could have had more impact.

2012-01-15, 19:26	Link #100
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	I think it's all a matter of interpretation here. Personally, I won't say that Kakeru felt more like a coward in this anime... It's pretty much the same in the manga as well. Kakeru felt a lot more animated ( pun intended ), which adds to that, but I don't think there were any significant 'make him more of a wuss' effect. Heck, even the accident scene. The one thing that bothered me the most of the accident was the fact that I felt the 'on-bike' conversation to be a lot, lot more natural than how the anime portrayed it. The accident could've been done better, but I felt like it was more of a case of how abrupt the transition was. As for the censorship of the scene where... Spoiler: Kakeru's heart got pierced by a metal piece ... It can't be helped. To me, I'll reserve my judgement until the next episode to really see where they go with the slightly different angle of approach to the coming events. Sure, it is possible that they may 'wuss it up' and throw in the extra drama and angst, but maybe it's not. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.