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View Poll Results: Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 7 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 18 | 23.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 22.08% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 22.08% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 16.88% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 9 | 11.69% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.60% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.30% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-05-16, 11:16 | Link #103 |
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Identity Crisis?!? I'm with Kanon and the rest on this one... she/they know(s) very well what they want to have; a drama, presented from an energetic and optimistic character's point of view, therefore lightened with comedic situation that are over-exaggerated. The thing is that with only two episodes it was not immediately apparent to everyone, and given the other heavier show from the same writter this season, many forced their live-soap-opera-tear-jerking expectation in the show, feeling manipulated now
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And I'm perfectly fine with and supportive of that. Indeed, it's now the main reason why I continue to watch this show - its generally happy presentation and sentimentality is something I appreciate. Quote:
Serious drama can be quite uplifting overall. I mean, seeing characters rise to overcome difficult challenges is inherently dramatic and uplifting, in my view. To reference a recent anime that's like this, I point to Moshidora. Quote:
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2011-05-16, 11:51 | Link #105 | |
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I hate sounding like a broken record but,can you take this face seriously?When you look at that can you really tell me that the staff was going for a dramatic effect and not a comical one? If so then I guess we're looking at the same thing but not interpetting them the same way at all.
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2011-05-16, 11:59 | Link #106 | |
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I mean, I've seen comedic facial distortion in anime. Heck, this anime episode itself has it with how Tomoe grinded her teeth so expressively in one scene. Minchi's "Die" expression there seems mild and restrained to me compared to how Tomoe expresses herself in many scenes in Episode 7.
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2011-05-16, 12:01 | Link #107 |
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That scene was comedic in its presentation, but somewhat dramatic in context. It was funny because it was completely opposite of what Ohana intended and expected, and a bit dramatic because it marked the beginning of the end of her optimism about moving to a new place. The first two episodes were full of well-written, tastefully directed bits like that.
Compare that level of presentation with, say, Tomoe's growling animal teeth from episode seven, and I think the line between lighthearted/down-to-earth and wacky/over-the-top begins to become clearer. |
2011-05-16, 12:06 | Link #108 |
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I don't think it has an identity crisis either. Plenty of episodes start off in an episodic "It's this characters limelight this episode" style. It's just that HSI has spent a bit longer than usual on it.
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2011-05-16, 12:09 | Link #109 | |
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And this is part of the reason why I do think that this anime, right now, has a bit of an identity crisis.
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2011-05-16, 12:10 | Link #110 |
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Then I guess we really do see something different while looking at the same thing,I can't look at that with a straight face,any seriousness is lost to me when I see that therefore I just can't take that scene seriously.
Which I guess explains why it feels like I havn't been watching the same first two episodes as other people,seems like I've been laughing at a few scenes that others found quite serious.
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2011-05-16, 12:15 | Link #111 | |
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What I focused in on the most in the first two episodes of this anime was the context that its scenes were placed within, and that's a big reason why I found those episodes pretty dramatic and serious. But from talking to you and others, I will say that if my focus was more on presentation and less on context, maybe I would have seen it as more comedic than what I did, *shrugs shoulders*.
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2011-05-16, 12:22 | Link #112 | |
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There's one which is dramatic in natural but playing in a comedic manner, and one purely just comedy. The whole drama in the first three episodes were surrounding grandma and then Minko's attitude toward Ohana (Or more accurate, Ohana try to "fit in"). And the whole bucket throwing and non-serious angry faces just make the whole issues less dramatic, does not turn it into comedic... Nothing funny at how grandma force her granddaughter working for her meal as soon as she arrive, or strange girl kept telling you to "Die" But then we don't have that sort of drama since then. The love triangle event (Minko-Touru, with Yuina) was played in quite dramatic manner, but the event itself was quite hilarious as the whole inn misunderstood the situation. Then wearing skimpy dress to boost the inn's popularity, or Tomoe's plan backfired... also quite comedic in natural. It could hint at something big later (the inn gone bankrupt perhaps). But at this moment it can be considered as fillers And its till bug me whenever people call this series "slice-of-life". Edit: well same point with FatPianoBoy
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2011-05-16, 12:33 | Link #113 | |
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I think I'm finally starting to understand now Though I'm still expecting major AnaHano level drama in the second half,I'll eat my words if I'm wrong,not sure if next episode will be the real deal or not,if it is then it's sooner than I expected,we'll see.
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After all, if you're biting off more than you could chew, that's nobody's fault but your own. It is just my feeling that someone on the PA works editing/directing team needs to be fired. I mean, the first season of Nanoha was ridiculous too in terms of plot and was an anime with severe focus problems, but even it managed to land with dignity instead of flopping all over the place. Yes, I know Nanoha has more than one season, but they can be all viewed as standalone, and at least the first 2 seasons managed to deliver storytelling and characters in this short time span of 13 episodes. In fact.... Spoiler for Angel Beats and Nanoha:
Yes, I don't think it's reasonable to project another show's expectations onto another. I didn't like Hana Saku Iroha vs Ano Hana because these two shows are diff rent things. We don't need H-S I to be True Tears, or EF, or Eva, or w/e. But the reason why I (and others) bring up other examples that work, is because they are examples of good storytelling. Is that not a reasonable expectation? You can still succeed within your own flavor, but that doesn't allow one to shirk these things like nothing So I'd like to repeat: 1.) Drama and comedy are not mutually exclusive. You can have your cake and eat it too. 2.) Time management is one's own damned fault, if they bite off more they can chew. 3.) Judgement is of course, on what you've already seen, not on what could happen. Thinking of things you have no idea about are useless, but I think it's useful to be critical of something throughout the entire viewing. 4.) Disappointment (?) Hey, I don't think any of us here actually hate the show. If it just ends up some average slice of life, I won't be shedding any tears. But you know what? I refuse to accept the bare minimum. The "If you don't like it, then gtfo" mentality simply doesn't really help the matter of people who like the show, but have a number of issues. Now clearly, it's nowhere near as bad as say Haruhi or Madoka discussions where people with issues just get shouted down by some ridiculous mob, but hey... Sure, I can still enjoy it for what it is. Implying otherwise would be silly. Quote:
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2011-05-16, 14:24 | Link #115 |
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We're going excessively off topic here, this is the episode 7 discussion thread, not the place for summaries or comparisons about the first month and a half of Hanasaku Iroha.
If you wish to proceed this discussion, please move in the generic discussion thread, and allow people who'd wish to talk about episode 7 to discuss it here.
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I can respect that, I don't look at that scene for in context mainly because I knew as soon as I read the synopsis what kind of show it is. In addition, when I look at that scene, if I look in the context, then grandma's action is completely illogical in an otherwise logical scene. Quote:
Stop looking at it as a genre. It was more used as a tag "slice"-of-life mainly due to culture difference and opinions.
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2011-05-16, 19:02 | Link #117 | |
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In ep1, we learn that Ko and Ohana are "best friends," who spend a lot of time together. She definitely "notices" him, in fact she is with him constantly, as far as we can tell. When he learns she is leaving, Ko confesses to her, then runs away in embarrassment. On the train, Ohana thinks: "I have always wanted to be someone else, but now that I have seen a different side of Ko-chan...." This is clearly a suggestion that romantic feelings can develop. Off at the inn, she doesn't call him because she doesn't know what to say. This kind of awkwardness is perfectly normal, when her osananajimi starts wanting to convert the relationship to romance. Only when he comes to see her, which the preview suggests may be soon, will we see if she feels like taking any steps in that direction. They are unlikely to be big ones, at this point, since she really gives no evidence of understanding romance at all -- all she has seen is her mother's rather irresponsible, changeable, almost comic variety of romance, which has probably turned her off the whole idea, in favor of the simple, stable friendship of a Ko. We have not been shown her thinking of him beyond a couple of simple scenes, but that would be normal while she has to deal with a new environment, and also because the anime has strayed so far from the fairly serious narrative of the first two episodes. I am looking forward to Thursday, hoping that Ko may ignite a small flame in her heart. A small flame is all there could be, for now. But it would be enough for me. Actually, I would also be happy enough with both of them learning that she has become a different person, and they have little in common any more. That would be human drama, too. But even if she is still not ready, I don't expect him to stop giving her the opportunity to learn. In any case, romance here would definitely not be "from nowhere," whatever the situation in Angel Beats, which I only watched half of and thought of as a confused train wreck, to that point.
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2011-05-16, 19:29 | Link #118 |
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but while it won't be out of on where, it is definitely forced. I can see long distance relation like that happening in Romantic Comedy anime with Kou (not Ohana) being the main character. But with Ohana being a fairly logical and realistic person it just really hard to see Kou succeed. I would rather put my money on Ohana x Toruu than Ohana x Kou, though Ithink the most likely scenario is series end with neither succeed.
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