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Searcher · 2006-09-17, 09:33

I think it's a big difference between a movie made in 1930's and a remake in 200? (it's atleast 30 years later).
I think most people wanted to see the special effects, not caring about the story.

The time between kanon and kanon2006 isn't that much. People who hear that there is going to be a remake, will download and see the original kanon first.

orion · 2006-09-17, 09:52

I still say that the impact may be dulled if you watch the original series now Deathkillz. I think that what you are seeing here is that we hope that we know what's going to happen in most of the girls' cases and it's the aniticipation of reliving those favorite moments animated by KyoAni that is carrying us. This will probably not be the case if you watch this too soon to the start of the series. Only a truly obsessive Kanon fan imo can still maintain their original feelings after repeat viewing at this stage imo.

I think that this is also what happens when you go to see a remake. Also, you may have a curiosity of what the new version will look like. If you watch it too soon to the start of the series, then it may seem like a rerun and it won't feel as special as it would be if you've watched it the first time imo.

But, KyoAni is probably aware of this also and may pull out a few surprises to liven things up. I hope this means great animation thru out and godly animation at the critical points.

MakubeX2 · 2006-09-17, 10:06

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But, KyoAni is probably aware of this also and may pull out a few surprises to liven things up. I hope this means great animation thru out and godly animation at the critical points.

Beside what you have cited, KyoAni is actually going to twist the story a bit by animating all the girl's story simultaneously instead in a chrnological order as in AIR. So there will be some filler material to put everything in perspective.

Based on Haruhi's Some Day In The Rain, I trust KyoAni's filler materials to be good.

DragoonKain3 · 2006-09-17, 10:35

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Beside what you have cited, KyoAni is actually going to twist the story a bit by animating all the girl's story simultaneously instead in a chrnological order as in AIR.

Sounds like you're pretty confident about that when only one episode has been aired; what's your source? And is there any other interesting tidbits you'd like to share with us?

panzerfan · 2006-09-17, 10:39

O my brethern, we must avenge the humiliating performance of the Kanon girls in the 2k5 Saimoe...

Minase Nayuki 115
Sawatori Makoto 80
Tsukimiya Ayu 85

All eliminated by round 1.

Thus, let this mark the first rally for Saimoe'07!

DragoonKain3 · 2006-09-17, 10:43

So what if she only got 115 votes? Nayuki got more votes than Ayu. Hooray! *does his little dance*

And how come they were still eligible in the 2k5 Saimoe? Wasn't Kazahana in 2003? No wonder they did so poorly. ^^;

nani · 2006-09-17, 11:17

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Sounds like you're pretty confident about that when only one episode has been aired; what's your source? And is there any other interesting tidbits you'd like to share with us?

The staff interview back in March mentioned that "[KyoAni] wants to avoid something like Ayu's story until episode X, Nayuki's story until episode X...... [They] do not plan to compose the anime into something like a collection of short stories. [They] will make it so that episode 1 until 24 will all be connected as 1 whole story."
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=106

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Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Based on Haruhi's Some Day In The Rain, I trust KyoAni's filler materials to be good.

If they are going to do some original stuff, here's hoping that Magical Girl Sayuri can get animated.

Another idea is to show the dark side of Akiko and what really happened to Nayuki's father. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKseDPEcV1g (Courtesy of the EFZ thread in the Game section).

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-09-17, 14:48

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Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Based on Haruhi's Some Day In The Rain, I trust KyoAni's filler materials to be good.

Well, the secret here, of course, being: get the original author to write the screenplay for your filler (does it really count as filler in that case? I guess it's just "anime exclusive"). It's hard to say what direct involvement Key has in this production (other than that it seems to be much greater), but it'd make sense for the same strategy to apply here.

orion · 2006-09-17, 20:19

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

So what if she only got 115 votes? Nayuki got more votes than Ayu. Hooray! *does his little dance*

Well Ayu probably didn't fit the profile to be a winner in that type of tournament from what I saw that made the cut. Moe beyond belief, loli or loaded with assets.

We still love our Ayu!

panzerfan · 2006-09-17, 20:23

Well the 3 Kanon girls entered Saimoe because they made a cameo in AIR actually... which kind of explained their performance

Rengemaru · 2006-09-18, 08:32

It doesn't matter if Kanon got popular or not. Because if it got popular we'll get alot of retards posting/argueing/flamming about it and about the "why my girl didn't win".

Spoiler:

martino · 2006-09-18, 09:08

^^ LMAO

That's a really good joke imo!

Vexx · 2006-09-18, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Rengemaru

It doesn't matter if Kanon got popular or not. Because if it got popular we'll get alot of retards posting/argueing/flamming about it and about the "why my girl didn't win".

Spoiler:

I think the important emphasis is on the "-tards"... I had thought most of the ilk with no critical thinking skills were confined to the Naru-tards but it appears we have "my girl no matter how lame the path for her to win"-tards... I haven't come up with a good name for them yet.

I'd like one ticket for "whichever girl wins, make the story compelling and the characters believable", please.

Stop the plot-challenged, think of the children.

panzerfan · 2006-09-18, 12:02

O those arguments... they're like the ongoing flamewar on Suzumiya Haruhi or EVA in 4chan, only even worse...

orion · 2006-09-18, 16:10

Yes, those paper thin arguements.....

Just think about what could happen when this series really gets started.

(Probably alot less now that we've covered those arguements already. Just refer them to the section of this thread for details about "X" arguement.

Spoiler:

I'm still hoping for English subtitles on the R2. That way we can get this title faster for Region 1 viewers. All you need then is the player and the cash to buy the DVDs.

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-09-18, 18:21

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I'm still hoping for English subtitles on the R2. That way we can get this title faster for Region 1 viewers. All you need then is the player and the cash to buy the DVDs.

Well, it's good to dream, but you'd think the Prelude DVD would have already had that if it was going to be part of the features of the solicitation in general. Not to mention that'd sort of be a strange thing to do if they're ever going to market the license, plus the amount of recent anime TV series (not movies) with English subtitles on the DVD are... well, nonexistant as far as I know. I've got nearly 30 series on R2 so far, and not a subtitle track on any of them. Plus, you'd still need to bypass the region coding, so it won't help your average Region 1 viewer at all (not that they'd pay R2 pricing anyway). So... that's a really long way of saying... it's not going to happen.

Vexx · 2006-09-18, 18:37

Sometimes I think the anime industry is still completely baffled by the idea that someone outside of Japan might be interested in this stuff

I'm a bit surprised they haven't at least added subtitles for english or chinese in the basic release... but I suspect they are more interested in *predictable* returns than in *maximized* returns. They *know* the local market whereas the overseas market is much less understood.

Every japanese business I've been around is much more interested in predictability than in maximization.

DragoonKain3 · 2006-09-18, 19:27

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Every japanese business I've been around is much more interested in predictability than in maximization.

I don't mean to be insulting with this generalization, but isn't that the Japanese mindset? I've read in some article that the Japanese are among the most stability loving nation on the planet. Anime also reflects this, because the childhood friend love interest represents, among other things, stability. I mean, even in baseball, we have Japanese players who concentrate more on getting a hit than getting a homerun, as evident in their batting stance alone. ^^;

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-09-18, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Sometimes I think the anime industry is still completely baffled by the idea that someone outside of Japan might be interested in this stuff

Well, interest notwithstanding, the amount of people who would pay the money to import an R2 DVD, even if it had subtitles, are at best statistically insignificant compared to the domestic market. Probably just not worth the effort. It's easier just to let overseas distributors come to them and pay them for the rights upfront - no work, no worries. As I said in another thread, it's best not to overestimate our significance - unless we become a noticeable market force, we can't expect companies to cater to us. Why would they?

justinstrife · 2006-09-18, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Rengemaru

It doesn't matter if Kanon got popular or not. Because if it got popular we'll get alot of retards posting/argueing/flamming about it and about the "why my girl didn't win".

Spoiler:

I wonder if the Aunt was ever an option.

2006-09-17, 09:52	Link #862
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	I still say that the impact may be dulled if you watch the original series now Deathkillz. I think that what you are seeing here is that we hope that we know what's going to happen in most of the girls' cases and it's the aniticipation of reliving those favorite moments animated by KyoAni that is carrying us. This will probably not be the case if you watch this too soon to the start of the series. Only a truly obsessive Kanon fan imo can still maintain their original feelings after repeat viewing at this stage imo. I think that this is also what happens when you go to see a remake. Also, you may have a curiosity of what the new version will look like. If you watch it too soon to the start of the series, then it may seem like a rerun and it won't feel as special as it would be if you've watched it the first time imo. But, KyoAni is probably aware of this also and may pull out a few surprises to liven things up. I hope this means great animation thru out and godly animation at the critical points. __________________

2006-09-17, 10:39	Link #865
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	O my brethern, we must avenge the humiliating performance of the Kanon girls in the 2k5 Saimoe... Minase Nayuki 115 Sawatori Makoto 80 Tsukimiya Ayu 85 All eliminated by round 1. Thus, let this mark the first rally for Saimoe'07! __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

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DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	So what if she only got 115 votes? Nayuki got more votes than Ayu. Hooray! does his little dance And how come they were still eligible in the 2k5 Saimoe? Wasn't Kazahana in 2003? No wonder they did so poorly. ^^; __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2006-09-17, 20:23	Link #870
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	Well the 3 Kanon girls entered Saimoe because they made a cameo in AIR actually... which kind of explained their performance __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

2006-09-18, 08:32	Link #871
Rengemaru Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the Garden... Age: 38	It doesn't matter if Kanon got popular or not. Because if it got popular we'll get alot of retards posting/argueing/flamming about it and about the "why my girl didn't win". Spoiler: Also we won't have conversation like this Retard1: Hey dude, do you think Yuuichi will choose Nayuki? Retard2: She's his cousin, more like his sister, are you an animal or something? Retard1: OK what about Makoto? Retard2: And you want him to hit on animals too? Retard1: Mmmm Shiori? Retard2: Are you pedophille or something? Retard1: Then Mai would fit! Retard2: She's yuri, leave her alone... Retard1: All what's left is Ayu then. Retard2: And now you wanna do it with the dead? you demon -.- PS. this is intended to be a joke, if you don't like it then ignore it __________________ Grains of Knowledge: Seriously place yourself in the shoes who the anime studio with the low budget they had before you bash an anime.

2006-09-17, 09:33	Link #861
Searcher RRR/Kotori/Tessa Servant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam	I think it's a big difference between a movie made in 1930's and a remake in 200? (it's atleast 30 years later). I think most people wanted to see the special effects, not caring about the story. The time between kanon and kanon2006 isn't that much. People who hear that there is going to be a remake, will download and see the original kanon first.

2006-09-18, 09:08	Link #872
martino makes no files now Join Date: May 2006	^^ LMAO That's a really good joke imo! __________________ "Light and shadow don't battle each other, because they're two sides of the same coin"

2006-09-18, 12:02	Link #874
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	O those arguments... they're like the ongoing flamewar on Suzumiya Haruhi or EVA in 4chan, only even worse... __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

2006-09-18, 16:10	Link #875
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	Yes, those paper thin arguements..... Just think about what could happen when this series really gets started. (Probably alot less now that we've covered those arguements already. Just refer them to the section of this thread for details about "X" arguement. Spoiler: Nayuki (1st cousin), Shiori (pedo), Ayu (pedo, alive depending on the path chosen), Makoto (dead, fox spirit), Mai (yuri) . Been there done that. Just link'em to the past thread arguement. I'm still hoping for English subtitles on the R2. That way we can get this title faster for Region 1 viewers. All you need then is the player and the cash to buy the DVDs. __________________

2006-09-18, 18:37	Link #877
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Sometimes I think the anime industry is still completely baffled by the idea that someone outside of Japan might be interested in this stuff I'm a bit surprised they haven't at least added subtitles for english or chinese in the basic release... but I suspect they are more interested in predictable returns than in maximized returns. They know the local market whereas the overseas market is much less understood. Every japanese business I've been around is much more interested in predictability than in maximization. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!