Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[Baka-yuki]

Originally Posted by aorta

Episode 1 - end of March 2006 (baseball is fixing to start)
Episode 2 - April 29 - May 5 (Golden Week)
Episode 3 - June (month of the wedding)
Episode 4 - July 7th (Twins' Birthday)
Episode 5 - July (Summer vaction)
Episode 6 - July (Summer vaction)
Episode 7 - July/August

Does this seem right? The only problem is that in Ep 4 Konata watches Episode 9 of Haruhi after the Twins' birthday (the episode was broadcast in May).

Could be a re-run. Great job by the way.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by Baka-yuki

Could be a re-run. Great job by the way.

Doesn't make much sense that a flame war was going on over at 2ch if it was a rerun. Everything else makes sense though.

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by aorta

Episode 1 - end of March 2006 (baseball is fixing to start)

Oh my... where are you from? For a little while I lived in a place where people were all fixing to do things.

The time line seems all right to me... I didn't even think about the Haruhi episode as being the reason a flame war started...

[Kaoru Chujo]

On 2channel, Lucky Star is now on its 100th thread, which is to say closing in on 100,000 posts, which it will reach in a couple of hours. Wow.

Nanoha StrikerS is continuing to grow its lead, however, at 144 threads. Gurren-Laggen is slipping further back in third place, at 71. Just for comparison, Death Note, a popular show that has been on for almost eight months, has 80 threads total. Moe wins on 2channel.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

On 2channel, Lucky Star is now on its 100th thread, which is to say closing in on 100,000 posts, which it will reach in a couple of hours. Wow.

Nanoha StrikerS is continuing to grow its lead, however, at 144 threads. Gurren-Laggen is slipping further back in third place, at 71. Just for comparison, Death Note, a popular show that has been on for almost eight months, has 80 threads total. Moe wins on 2channel.

The fact that Gurren-Lagann is even being discussed on 2channel amazes me, as it isn't moe at all. Also it's kind of hard to gauge the positive popularity of a series just by the number of threads it has. Keep in mind 2channels tendency for spam and nonsense compared to the quality discussion here. The true impact of a series should be measured by the quality of the discussion relating to it, not the quantity of discussion. In fact they seem quite content to just mention the fact that they are posting on the 100th thread over and over again for like 1000 posts with a bit of discussion on the CD's, the games and maybe just maybe the series inbetween. This is why I don't have a very high opinion of 2channel.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

Also it's kind of hard to gauge the positive popularity of a series just by the number of threads it has. Keep in mind 2channels tendency for spam and nonsense compared to the quality discussion here. The true impact of a series should be measured by the quality of the discussion relating to it, not the quantity of discussion.

The amount of spam is directly proportional to how popular the show is? I dunno.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by random_passerby

The amount of spam is directly proportional to how popular the show is? I dunno.

You know I don't know either. I'd say the amount of spam is directly proportional to itself and whatever fodder is there to generate it. You can get quite a few meme's and inspirations for ascii art from any episode of Lucky Star, Nanoha and Gurren Lagann and it will just kind of build upon itself, but with something like Darker Than Black there isn't much you can spam about. The fact that Konata's face is like a piece of ascii art itself contributes just as much posting fodder to the threads as any joke the episode delivers.

[Kaoru Chujo]

We don't have very many ways to judge the popularity of a series. In fact, what does popularity mean? That more people like it? That more people are interested in it one way or another? That more people watch it? That more people will buy the DVDs, the CDs, the ancillary goods? "True impact" is totally impossible to judge, except subjectively, and by some expensive survey. From a producer's point of view, the important thing is how much stuff (DVDs, CDs, game, telephone straps, comics) people will buy.

I'm not sure how this relates to 2channel posts, but so far, the number of threads on 2channel and the sales of the OP seem to track each other fairly well. 2channel just has its own style. Sure, they can post for 25 posts about getting to the 100th thread, but there are lots of more interesting posts, too.

The threads are well into 103 now. As a recent poster said, the threads jump very quickly right after an episode has aired, with people reacting to the episode. He checks at work and by the time he gets home it's on the next thread.

I don't know if it's true (I think it is), but I was interested in what one recent poster wrote about how things have changed in the marketing of a title:
In the past:
anime (manga) ---> manga (anime) ---> toys based on them
Now:
anime (manga) ---> manga (anime) ---> DVD, CD (character songs, small goods such as telephone straps, cards, etc.) ---> game.

Oh, and by my observation, the amount of "spam" and negative posts on 2channel do tend to be proportional to the popularity of a series, but not just to that. KyoAni, Hirano Aya, and Mizuki Nana all seem to have a lot of detractors, as well as fans, whereas I don't see that many negative posts for Hocchan or Nanoha, which are true 2channel favorites. LS had negative posts running about 1:7 to positive, but it is now falling closer to the standard number I've seen across a number of popular shows of 1:10.

[Mecha_Trueno]

oh wow, cant believe i didnt notice until now! nanako-sensei has tsuruya fangs!

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

oh wow, cant believe i didnt notice until now! nanako-sensei has tsuruya fangs!

XD I wouldn't call them "Tsuruya fangs" because countless anime and manga characters have them, not even considering the vampires and monsters. Kuu-chan from PosutaruWORK for instance has them and she could be considered a "normal" character (as "normal" as one can get accessorizing with kitties).

But yeah... love the fangs.

[Kaoru Chujo]

The first time I noticed that sort of fangs was on Tina Foster in Ai yori Aoshi a few years ago, although I'm sure that was far from the first time they appeared. I think of them as symbolizing that a woman has a wild streak of some kind -- is a little closer to a predatory wild animal than other people. Is there more to it than that?

[aorta]

more examples:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...uteLittleFangs

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

The first time I noticed that sort of fangs was on Tina Foster in Ai yori Aoshi a few years ago, although I'm sure that was far from the first time they appeared. I think of them as symbolizing that a woman has a wild streak of some kind -- is a little closer to a predatory wild animal than other people. Is there more to it than that?

You're pretty much on target .... a kind of "feline or kitsune" spirit. A lot of japanese have a snaggle tooth (or fang) but the ones really comfortable with their appearance and "living life to the fullest" (aka Tsuruya) don't mind laughing with mouth open and exposing it.

The first time I remember seeing it a few eons ago was with Mitsune/Kit from Love Hina.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Originally Posted by Risaa

XD I wouldn't call them "Tsuruya fangs" because countless anime and manga characters have them, not even considering the vampires and monsters. Kuu-chan from PosutaruWORK for instance has them and she could be considered a "normal" character (as "normal" as one can get accessorizing with kitties).

But yeah... love the fangs.

oh yeah, thats right. the first time i ever saw them was on ryoga from ranma1/2

btw, can anyone point out all the songs at the end? i only recognised fumoffu and dbz...

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

btw, can anyone point out all the songs at the end? i only recognised fumoffu and dbz...

Wikipedia is your friend.

[ApathyEcstasy]

lucky star is definitely a must-see..it ranks among my top favorites of the season along with seto no hanayome, sola, bokurano, hayate no gotoku, and darker than black

anyone who doesn't love konata, is out of their minds..she's the lynch pin of the series

[Samatarou]

Originally Posted by ApathyEcstasy

anyone who doesn't love konata, is out of their minds..she's the lynch pin of the series

Whereas Kagami is the lynch mob.

[aohige]

About the whole Lucky Star popularity on the internet thing...

Are we talking mostly english speakers blogs and such?
This show has so much in-jokes that non-Japanese would have very hard time even "getting" it.

Hell, the first 3 seconds of the first episode was a joke referencing to the 80s Fujiko Fujio's Kaibutsu-kun anime intro (at which point I spewed my coffee out, even before the insane dancing OP ), and not a single person in AS forums seems to notice or mention it.
I'm sure there are tons of missed stuff like that.
I think by missing out on those jokes, the show is at somewhat of an disadvantage among some bloggers.

For example, many Simpsons jokes are completely lost to Japanese people, simply because some of the references they make are completely native to americans. Any jokes made about TV commercials, for example, would be hard to understand.

[Samatarou]

Originally Posted by aohige

About the whole Lucky Star popularity on the internet thing...

Are we talking mostly english speakers blogs and such?
This show has so much in-jokes that non-Japanese would have very hard time even "getting" it.

Hell, the first 3 seconds of the first episode was a joke referencing to the 80s Fujiko Fujio's Kaibutsu-kun anime intro (at which point I spewed my coffee out, even before the insane dancing OP ), and not a single person in AS forums seems to notice or mention it.
I'm sure there are tons of missed stuff like that.
I think by missing out on those jokes, the show is at somewhat of an disadvantage among some bloggers.

For example, many Simpsons jokes are completely lost to Japanese people, simply because some of the references they make are completely native to americans. Any jokes made about TV commercials, for example, would be hard to understand.

Yes. However not always, e.g. Timotei was understandable by anyone over a certain age, irrespective of culture (though I didn't realise it was age related until people started saying they didn't understand it, it had seemed obvious enough to me as a European: I hadn't noticed that Timotei was no longer considered a household name).

[Vexx]

Me live in America... me love Raki*Suta, ugh. Japanese culture requires some study -- it isn't impenetrable and many of the humorous aspects carry over nicely to British types of humor (which in turn is accessible to Americans, even the ones who the whole world is like their neighborhood).

I've gotten quite attached to the manga/4-koma so I'm watching to see how much they animate (the track sequence comes straight out of the manga, though the way they present it is another level of in-reference).

I used to help catalog Animaniacs references. People loved the show though they completely missed all the vaudeville, Marx Brothers, Bob Hope, 80s references... why? Because it was still funny. Monty Python relied heavily on class humor and topical British politics -- yet it is revered in the US because the themes are universal. Catching the sly references is just another level of enjoyment. Paniponi Dash is much more reference-laden (using all of japanese history and pop culture, movies, etc) yet people find the show hilarious.

Lucky Star reminds me of a sort of Peanuts/Calvin&Hobbes kind of piece with heavy japanese flavor and otaku stirred in. It is quite appealing on a human comedy level.

The food sketch in the first episode reminds me of one of the late comedian George Burns long-rambling-stories-with-mild-punchline.

Originally Posted by aohige

About the whole Lucky Star popularity on the internet thing...

Are we talking mostly english speakers blogs and such?
This show has so much in-jokes that non-Japanese would have very hard time even "getting" it.

Hell, the first 3 seconds of the first episode was a joke referencing to the 80s Fujiko Fujio's Kaibutsu-kun anime intro (at which point I spewed my coffee out, even before the insane dancing OP ), and not a single person in AS forums seems to notice or mention it.
I'm sure there are tons of missed stuff like that.
I think by missing out on those jokes, the show is at somewhat of an disadvantage among some bloggers.

For example, many Simpsons jokes are completely lost to Japanese people, simply because some of the references they make are completely native to americans. Any jokes made about TV commercials, for example, would be hard to understand.