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Bern-san · 2012-07-08, 14:07

God, I could listen to Debito's bambina for hours (and his route is the hottest of them all, with Jolly in a close second)

About episode 2, it followed an event of the common route of the game but obviously with changes. Remember to continue watching after the ending!
Now some rants:

Spoiler for episode 2:

Spoiler for Some of the scenes omitted:

Byakou · 2012-07-08, 17:48

You can tell this is based on a game by how messed up the premise is. What is this, the middle ages? The guys are basically competing for a glorified free whore.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-07-08, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Byakou

You can tell this is based on a game by how messed up the premise is. What is this, the middle ages? The guys are basically competing for a glorified free whore.

No not really, but I can tell based on your statement at you've pretty much rejected reality and substitute it for your own.

Vena · 2012-07-08, 18:03

The pacing issues seem to be coming out in spades. The first episode was forgivable as an introductory episode, but I don't think we needed an entire (and the second episode mind you) other episode to use la bambina as an exposition wall on the sects of the family. This would have been better served to get spread out either through the tournament, assuming we get to one (have the different groups show of their strengths and roles through how they support their respective sect head; for example the information group would use their info gathering to be able to make plans and predictions. Show case it this way, don't just tell us by telling la bambina in an awkwardly transition and placed flashback (I was actually a bit confused at first that it WAS a flashback)). The episode could have also done with either a better story or less awkward stillness. Its hard to get emotionally attached to a cat, its harder to get emotionally attached to a simple plot when everything is choppy and the characters are explaining their roles still, and scene don't transition smoothly at all.

The plot of the episode felt, which is bothersome, inconsequential (and the tonal change was utterly bizarre: mafia infighting for next head to lets find this kittens owner!). You could have replaced the cat with a cabbage because the cat itself had little impact on the events aside from comedic gags because a cabbage would be unable to run away and it doesn't have a heart for la bambina to deus ex machina for a solution + power expositon (the whole resolution was rather unconvincingly bland as well, why not simply do this from the start and look for the one lady with THAT hair style). La bambina still doesn't feel like a character as her struggle isn't being presented very convincingly and I find myself more interested in the mystery surrounding the blondie with a sword than her.

Its been two episodes and something still continues to feel off. The animation is... poor and jerky (but the characters themselves are pretty even if they are stuck in still shots most of the time), but Space Brothers is reason enough to not judge a show on animation and as such its not what I'm holding against the show (a good plot and character dynamics can overcome poor quality just as good quality can be rendered meaningless by terrible plot and character dynamics... Aquarion

) (E7 is of course making this a hard excuse as its both pretty/fluid and with good plot and character dynamics).

Something is off, its bugging me because I can't quite put my finger on it.

I'll give it an episode or two more, if the next episode can get beyond exposition and start doing some consequential I might stick around.

Byakou · 2012-07-08, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

No not really, but I can tell based on your statement at you've pretty much rejected reality and substitute it for your own.

Nice meme-philosophy you got there kid.

Why else would a bunch of guys compete for a chance at marrying a girl they don't even love?
Sex. You can tell yourself whatever you want in your head but that's a fact.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-07-08, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Byakou

Nice meme-philosophy you got there kid.

Why thank you it's not a very uncommon meme these days though.

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Originally Posted by Byakou

Why else would a bunch of guys compete for a chance at marrying a girl they don't even love?
Sex. You can tell yourself whatever you want in your head but that's a fact.

And this is where you have exposed yourself to have never seen any episode yet- or if you have, you've pretty much written your own reality; The competition is not only for her hand in marriage, but also to become the next head of their organization- this was very clearly stated. I guess your thoughts of sex might have overwrite that particular detail?

Secondly, we already know of a fair number of guys fighting to help her and not for either trophies. Doesn't mean they don't hold a flame for her, but it certain throws your statement of their motives out of the window.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA · 2012-07-08, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Byakou

Why else would a bunch of guys compete for a chance at marrying a girl they don't even love?
Sex. You can tell yourself whatever you want in your head but that's a fact.

And how would you know that they don't have any feelings for Felicita?

What you said is not a fact, but merely an interpretation.

Byakou · 2012-07-08, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Why thank you it's not a very uncommon meme these days though.

And this is where you have exposed yourself to have never seen any episode yet- or if you have, you've pretty much written your own reality; The competition is not only for her hand in marriage, but also to become the next head of their organization- this was very clearly stated. I guess your thoughts of sex might have overwrite that particular detail?

Secondly, we already know of a fair number of guys fighting to help her and not for either trophies. Doesn't mean they don't hold a flame for her, but it certain throws your statement of their motives out of the window.

Of course you're conveniently choosing to leave out the details that don't fall in line with your opinion. You're the one who hasn't been listening. A number of the men have stated to be very interested in winning in order to get her, for less than moral reasons, Jolly and Debito for one. Even the blond boy that claims he wants to win in order to save her showed some hesitation at the thought of having her as wife. Fact is her position is extremely precarious. She's to be in an arranged marriage, and while some possible suiters look like decent people, there's also some of them who are less than savoury. If this wasn't an anime this would be a very serious situation that would yes, possibly entail rape for her depending on who wins. The premise is twisted, that's a fact.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-07-08, 18:55

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Originally Posted by Byakou

Of course you're conveniently choosing to leave out the details that don't fall in line with your opinion. You're the one who hasn't been listening. A number of the men have stated to be very interested in winning in order to get her, for less than moral reasons, Jolly and Debito for one. Even the blond boy that claims he wants to win in order to save her showed some hesitation at the thought of having her as wife. Fact is her position is extremely precarious. She's to be in an arranged marriage, and while some possible suiters look like decent people, there's also some of them who are less than savoury. If this wasn't an anime this would be a very serious situation that would yes, possibly entail rape for her depending on who wins. The premise is twisted, that's a fact.

Er m no I didn't- its right there in your quote 'a fair number of guys fighting to help her and not for either trophies.', since when does a 'fair number' means everybody? I never deny there 'might' be some that have that intention.

After all, if there was no danger, the 'good' ones wouldn't feel the need to fight for her.

Regardless, I have already pointed out that they would also be fighting for the position as the new head of the family, I would say that's a much stronger motivator .

KleenexGhost · 2012-07-08, 19:38

I wanna like this show a lot, hopefully it doesn't become like Katekyo Hitman Reborn lite.

DragoonKain3 · 2012-07-08, 22:17

Well, there, they threw the 'osananajimi' tag on NovaXFel... but I thought Liberta knew her as well way back then? Suspicious they say it of Nova but not Liberta, but maybe there's good reason why...

One thing I don't like though, is them making Luca the comic relief character. Seems like a 'bad reward' considering he was waiting on Felicita hand and foot ever since she was a kid.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-07-08, 22:21

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Well, there, they threw the 'osananajimi' tag on NovaXFel... but I thought Liberta knew her as well way back then? Suspicious they say it of Nova but not Liberta, but maybe there's good reason why...

The earlier character chart has Liberta as 'old friend' (osananajimi, pretty much) while Nova is the cousin character.

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

One thing I don't like though, is them making Luca the comic relief character. Seems like a 'bad reward' considering he was waiting on Felicita hand and foot ever since she was a kid.

Servants should stay as servants

HandofFate · 2012-07-08, 22:37

Pacing issue with episode 2 was weird.
as an anime-only viewer, I had trouble figuring out if the whole episode was a flashback or The Next Day from episode 1.

They end up having a bunch of characters introduce her as if they just met, then she fights to get a position as head. Sounds like things that would happen when she first joined the family.

The way people are introducing themselves is weird too.
Like when The Moon showed up, he just randomly mentions he's part of the Moon arcana. I get he's saying that for the viewers, but why would any character talk like that when the person he's talking to already knows all this.

Still don't see the big deal with the 'forced marriage' thing anyway. Felicia seems to have gotten over it after a night's sleep as well. All is good.

Kazu-kun · 2012-07-08, 22:58

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Still don't see the big deal with the 'forced marriage' thing anyway. Felicia seems to have gotten over it after a night's sleep as well. All is good.

She didn't get over it. She just found the determination to fight in the tounament and win her freedom on her own.

Also one thing no one seems to have mentioned here is that libertà translates to freedom. I think it's a pretty big hint concidering "attaining one's freedom" is pretty much the main theme of the series. Libertà also seems to be the only one who understood from the begining that more than getting married, what Felicità doesn't want is to lose her freedom.

Bern-san · 2012-07-09, 01:41

Like people said, it's not just Felicitá's marriage what they win but also the position of being the leader. Even though some have expressed desire to have her as their bride I haven't seen them have any motivation to become the new Papa for now.
And hey, don't people believe that Felicitá can win the Duello?

Don't know if they mentioned it but Papa and Mama will be participants.

In the game there's many random scenes like this episode, I fear they won't start giving answers and talk about some character issues (at least they've shown that something happens to Libertá's Arcana) until the last 3 episodes or so. I hope that at least we can have the backstory of all the guys and of course they'll have to explain things about Felicitá and so (don't know why they haven't mentioned how she spent her childhood since it was the first thing shown in the game and manga).

Talking about the meaning of their names, Felicitá means happiness.

Kazu-kun · 2012-07-09, 01:48

^ Happiness and Freedom.

I like it. ^^

Ashlotte · 2012-07-09, 06:05

Stopped watching about the time the third or so guy went "Hey my arcana is ---". I thought at least they would stop that crap in the first episode but nope. Wanted to like the show but when the second episode already feels like subpar filler...Shame that.

LKK · 2012-07-09, 08:18

An episode about a lost kitten was not what I was expected from this series. I didn't mind it all that much because character interactions are what's driving me to watch the show at this point. But I absolutely didn't expect the character interactions to be spawned by a lost kitten.

ookamigirl · 2012-07-09, 09:01

Liberta, Dante, Debito, Pace, Luca, Nova & Felicita.
I can choose my favorite ones already ^^
That Nova sure gets angry easily, but he also has a kind heart.
Little kitty sure caused a lot of problems, but Liberta & Luca were funny chasing it.
They should be training for the Arcana Duello. Can't wait for it to start!

lostcanvas · 2012-07-09, 11:24

Hopefully the main girl has some good fight and not just waiting to be protected by the guys.. if not I will really just watch for the sake of the male characters instead.

2012-07-08, 14:07	Link #121
Bern-san Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	God, I could listen to Debito's bambina for hours (and his route is the hottest of them all, with Jolly in a close second) About episode 2, it followed an event of the common route of the game but obviously with changes. Remember to continue watching after the ending! Now some rants: Spoiler for episode 2: WHY DO THEY CONTINUE WITH STUPID PRESENTATIONS? It would have been easier like in the game where Mondo said the names of the participants of the Duello and their position within the organization. Then leave the reveal of everybody's Arcana when they actually use it or something. They insert that flashback but skipped the loli-Felicitá,Luca and "Mama" flashback. At least they mention that Nova and Fel already knew each other (but didn't mention two little facts about it). If it wasn't obvious enough, being Luca is suffering especially in Jolly route.... More interactions with the Felicitá-Nova-Libertá triangle, with a little Libertá x Felicitá scene that will please some fangirls(?). The trial after the ending where they have to punish someone will continue to happen, so wait for more hilarious scenes. Nova singing was cute A shame that they didn't show that Felicitá was listening Spoiler for Some of the scenes omitted: - Felicitá welcome party (with a little Luca scene where he wants Felicitá to use her Arcana on him so she can discover about the party) - Felicitá with Swords members cheering her for the Duello - Luca-Felicitá-Jolly scene with Jolly teasing Luca - Conversation about Felicitá forgeting to give Mondo a present. They suggest a kiss but Luca says that she always refused to do it because of his beard and later her excuse was that he was never with her and she only kisses people who are always beside her. Nova notices that Luca is one of the few people who has always being with her... luckily he escapes before he suffers their rage __________________

2012-07-08, 18:03	Link #124
Vena Carpe Diem Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: \|\|At the edge of finality.\|\| Age: 34	The pacing issues seem to be coming out in spades. The first episode was forgivable as an introductory episode, but I don't think we needed an entire (and the second episode mind you) other episode to use la bambina as an exposition wall on the sects of the family. This would have been better served to get spread out either through the tournament, assuming we get to one (have the different groups show of their strengths and roles through how they support their respective sect head; for example the information group would use their info gathering to be able to make plans and predictions. Show case it this way, don't just tell us by telling la bambina in an awkwardly transition and placed flashback (I was actually a bit confused at first that it WAS a flashback)). The episode could have also done with either a better story or less awkward stillness. Its hard to get emotionally attached to a cat, its harder to get emotionally attached to a simple plot when everything is choppy and the characters are explaining their roles still, and scene don't transition smoothly at all. The plot of the episode felt, which is bothersome, inconsequential (and the tonal change was utterly bizarre: mafia infighting for next head to lets find this kittens owner!). You could have replaced the cat with a cabbage because the cat itself had little impact on the events aside from comedic gags because a cabbage would be unable to run away and it doesn't have a heart for la bambina to deus ex machina for a solution + power expositon (the whole resolution was rather unconvincingly bland as well, why not simply do this from the start and look for the one lady with THAT hair style). La bambina still doesn't feel like a character as her struggle isn't being presented very convincingly and I find myself more interested in the mystery surrounding the blondie with a sword than her. Its been two episodes and something still continues to feel off. The animation is... poor and jerky (but the characters themselves are pretty even if they are stuck in still shots most of the time), but Space Brothers is reason enough to not judge a show on animation and as such its not what I'm holding against the show (a good plot and character dynamics can overcome poor quality just as good quality can be rendered meaningless by terrible plot and character dynamics... Aquarion ) (E7 is of course making this a hard excuse as its both pretty/fluid and with good plot and character dynamics). Something is off, its bugging me because I can't quite put my finger on it. I'll give it an episode or two more, if the next episode can get beyond exposition and start doing some consequential I might stick around. __________________

2012-07-08, 22:17	Link #131
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Well, there, they threw the 'osananajimi' tag on NovaXFel... but I thought Liberta knew her as well way back then? Suspicious they say it of Nova but not Liberta, but maybe there's good reason why... One thing I don't like though, is them making Luca the comic relief character. Seems like a 'bad reward' considering he was waiting on Felicita hand and foot ever since she was a kid. __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2012-07-08, 22:37	Link #133
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Pacing issue with episode 2 was weird. as an anime-only viewer, I had trouble figuring out if the whole episode was a flashback or The Next Day from episode 1. They end up having a bunch of characters introduce her as if they just met, then she fights to get a position as head. Sounds like things that would happen when she first joined the family. The way people are introducing themselves is weird too. Like when The Moon showed up, he just randomly mentions he's part of the Moon arcana. I get he's saying that for the viewers, but why would any character talk like that when the person he's talking to already knows all this. Still don't see the big deal with the 'forced marriage' thing anyway. Felicia seems to have gotten over it after a night's sleep as well. All is good. __________________ ...

2012-07-09, 01:41	Link #135
Bern-san Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Like people said, it's not just Felicitá's marriage what they win but also the position of being the leader. Even though some have expressed desire to have her as their bride I haven't seen them have any motivation to become the new Papa for now. And hey, don't people believe that Felicitá can win the Duello? Don't know if they mentioned it but Papa and Mama will be participants. In the game there's many random scenes like this episode, I fear they won't start giving answers and talk about some character issues (at least they've shown that something happens to Libertá's Arcana) until the last 3 episodes or so. I hope that at least we can have the backstory of all the guys and of course they'll have to explain things about Felicitá and so (don't know why they haven't mentioned how she spent her childhood since it was the first thing shown in the game and manga). Talking about the meaning of their names, Felicitá means happiness. __________________

2012-07-08, 17:48	Link #122
Byakou Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	You can tell this is based on a game by how messed up the premise is. What is this, the middle ages? The guys are basically competing for a glorified free whore.

2012-07-08, 19:38	Link #130
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	I wanna like this show a lot, hopefully it doesn't become like Katekyo Hitman Reborn lite.

2012-07-09, 01:48	Link #136
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	^ Happiness and Freedom. I like it. ^^ __________________

2012-07-09, 06:05	Link #137
Ashlotte Clockwork Join Date: Oct 2006	Stopped watching about the time the third or so guy went "Hey my arcana is ---". I thought at least they would stop that crap in the first episode but nope. Wanted to like the show but when the second episode already feels like subpar filler...Shame that. __________________ No matter what enemy. No matter what ally. Mowing everything down with maximum destructive power. That is... "The White Devil of the Administration Bureau"

2012-07-09, 08:18	Link #138
LKK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 62	An episode about a lost kitten was not what I was expected from this series. I didn't mind it all that much because character interactions are what's driving me to watch the show at this point. But I absolutely didn't expect the character interactions to be spawned by a lost kitten. __________________ Avatar: Hazuki of Natsuyuki Rendezvous / Signature: flowers from Natsuyuki Rendezvous

2012-07-09, 09:01	Link #139
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Liberta, Dante, Debito, Pace, Luca, Nova & Felicita. I can choose my favorite ones already ^^ That Nova sure gets angry easily, but he also has a kind heart. Little kitty sure caused a lot of problems, but Liberta & Luca were funny chasing it. They should be training for the Arcana Duello. Can't wait for it to start! __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2012-07-09, 11:24	Link #140
lostcanvas Junior Member Join Date: May 2012	Hopefully the main girl has some good fight and not just waiting to be protected by the guys.. if not I will really just watch for the sake of the male characters instead. __________________