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2012-03-26, 02:20 | Link #20502 | |
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I don't like the democrats being cozy with the MPAA and RIAA, either. I wonder why they are. Do you think it was from a lot of lobbying to them?
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2012-03-26, 02:22 | Link #20503 | |
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Basically, stop using invalid red herrings, and get to the real problem: the basic dumbing down of American society leading to misuse of guns. |
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2012-03-26, 02:30 | Link #20504 | |
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Those regimes used gun control to disarm their populations. They then proceeded to engage in democide for a variety of reasons. With the TSA, the corruption in the BATFE, the NDAA law, the patriot act, the increased militarization of state and local law enforcement, and other police state style laws being passed by politicians of both parties in the US; many see parallels between the actions of the US government and those of previous democidal regimes. Put another way, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance and/or "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." This book explains it pretty well. The chart provided is also helpful in understanding the correlation between democide and the gun control issue.
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2012-03-26, 02:34 | Link #20505 |
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Ah yes, JPFO. Enough to dismiss the book.
*Shakes her head* I know it's not worth bothering to argue with those who are stuck in their mindset, so I'll just take my leave out of this issue. I'll listen to those with sound minds such as Vexx. It's just said that stupidity has infected much of the scholarship when it comes to gun control, where one mingles all different factors into one (gun control) to get the argument they want. It's the evidence being molded to fit the theory, not the theory that changes to the evidence. |
2012-03-26, 02:41 | Link #20507 |
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That's a pity, the book is well researched and covers the issue quite well.
I don't dismiss books that easily. Articles, blogs, news stories...sure, but books I tend to give a try and check their research myself.
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2012-03-26, 02:53 | Link #20508 |
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I put JPFO on the same level as Stormfront, so..... you get the idea, never mind that both Aaron Zelman and Richard W. Stevens aren't actually on my list of "possibly unbiased people".
That being said, I treasure my Type 26 revolver. If only I had the ammo for it. |
2012-03-26, 03:34 | Link #20509 | |
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However, Sumeragi, you might not want to compare a Jewish organization like JPFO to the white supremist (and very anti-semitic) StormFront group. StormFront wants the Jewish race wiped out. I can see you comparing JPFO to the NRA or GOA, that would be accurate, but Stormfront isn't even close and Jews would certainly take offense. Just FYI. BTW, I am happy you have a Type-26. Wish you could take it to a gun club in Japan and shoot it. I have found in my experience that women shoot much better than men, and that once they get confident with a firearm, they are more respectful of it (no macho factor) and tend to be more responsible gun owners than many men. That said, allow me the indulgence of saying I would love to get my hands on a Type-89: That's a sweet pea. __________________________________________________ ___________ Back to the news: The Age of the Shadow Bank Run http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/bu...n-updated.html China unveils new legislation on police powers of detention http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...wers-detention Obama's disbelief after staring into N. Korea http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obamas-disb...174551638.html
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2012-03-26, 03:39 | Link #20510 | |
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The problem that needs to be addressed, the other 800-pound gorilla in the room besides universal healthcare, is public education. It has been systematically gutted in America, and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better any time soon unless Americans actually stand up and do something about it. I personally feel that if you want to own a gun, you should be required to take a training course in its operation, care and the ethics involved in owning a weapon.
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2012-03-26, 03:59 | Link #20512 | |
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There are plenty of nations having success with banning guns leading to far less gun crimes. Mine included. It's not impossible to obtain one, but it's very hard. Going on a killing spree with an assault rifle is beyond very hard in Japan.
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2012-03-26, 04:32 | Link #20514 | ||
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That aside, I also have a M1 Garand in Korea, it being from my fiancé's grandfather. Eh, let's just say that it's not as good as it sounds like..... heavy compared to its size, and personally the lack of recoil makes it actually harder to hit things with. I'm used to longer, lighter, and stronger guns. The Daewoo K2 is my choice if I could choose an assault rifle. |
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2012-03-26, 05:42 | Link #20515 |
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Supreme Court weighs historic healthcare law
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82L1CJ20120326
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2012-03-26, 09:54 | Link #20516 |
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More and more I think one solution to the problem of irresponsible gun usage is a requirement that gun owners purchase insurance. Most US states require insurance of some form to operate a motor vehicle. Why not guns?
Requiring insurance would place enforcement in the hands of private agencies and avoid the constitutional issues involved in weapon bans. I suspect the policies for things like target pistols and rifles would be pretty inexpensive while those for handguns would cost quite a bit. I also suspect that there would be discounts for people who take gun classes, much the way insurance rates for young drivers are reduced if they take a drivers-education class. The response to this would be the usual "but criminals won't buy insurance," but they are not the danger I'd like to see insured. It's people like George Zimmerman who feel they must be packing even when the Sanford police specifically told neighborhood watch groups in its jurisdiction that their members are to patrol unarmed and rely on the police to handle potentially threatening situations. Insurers would also have an incentive to request background checks on gun owners and would probably deny insurance to people with a criminal record or a history of domestic violence. Part of the motivation for stand-your-ground laws has been the systematic destruction of public service agencies in an effort to keep property taxes low. What I see happening is the displacement of trained professional law-enforcement agents with untrained citizens "standing their ground." "Castle" laws are one thing, where self-defense is a reasonable and valid claim against an intruder in your home. Stand-your-ground laws provide a basis for phony self-defense claims when someone shoots another in a bar brawl. What's especially egregious about the Florida law, which is the model for the law in other states compliments of the American Legislative Exchange Council and the National Rifle Association, is that stand-your-ground is not promoted as an affirmative defense against a murder charge. Rather it enables to shooter to claim self-defense and avoid investigation or prosecution entirely. I believe, in the case of the Florida law, that it also immunizes the shooter from civil suits as well.
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2012-03-26, 10:22 | Link #20518 | |
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@SaintlessHeart what's the point for a civilian to own a 20mm ? THat would be pretty much useless for self-defence and would destroy much target if used for hunting.
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