2012-12-28, 13:14 | Link #43 |
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Bigger Party?
Daflamingo is heading to the Island. But a whole underground network of pirates just saw what happened on television. Daflamingo and Buffalo have ways to transport themselves to the Island, how may other pirates who have been watching the failed experiments have abilities or fast transportation that allow them to travel. We already have one Shichibukai and another head to the Island. Possibly be a Yonkou showing up? I wonder if Big Mamma will show up too after getting the report? Possibly the New Alliance between Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins might make themselves present? With Daflamingo getting into this, the odds of more parties showing has increased. |
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2012-12-28, 14:48 | Link #46 | |
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I think I remember some of us discussing this matter back when we first saw Law take the heart, but personally, I think he was able to pull it off since he can use haki. Like he keeps the organ coated in armor haki to prevent it from returning to the user's body in case the enemy is a logia user. At least, that's my take on it.... |
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2012-12-28, 16:11 | Link #49 | |
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And we didn't see Sanji's limit with Vergo. They had a short skirmish and we're pretty evenly matched. Neither of them were fighting at their best. The only thing that caught Sanji by surprise was the strength of Vergo's hits. After his leg bone got cracked, he knew it would be more prudent to dodge Vergo's attacks altogether than block them. You also have to account for the fact that Sanji wasn't at his best physically because Nami had damaged his body beforehand. The point is, none of the monster trio have been pushed to their limits yet. Dresrosa will probably be the place where they'll finally be put to the test.
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2012-12-28, 18:53 | Link #51 |
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Ya actually I thought maybe Buffalo took some strings with him and made this enourmous tightrope. It looks like Donflamingo is running across the air almost, like a cheetah.
It is surprising that Law is able to steal the heart of a logia. Alternatively, does squeezing Luffy's heart have an effect if he is rubber? It looks like Caribou put mud on the womans face while she was sleeping? Also what is framed below the clock in the old ladies house? It looks like a thermometer maybe? |
2012-12-28, 20:39 | Link #52 | |
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Well, look at it from this perspective: At Marineford, we saw Sengoku take on Blackbeard's entire crew solo with little trouble on his end. And let's also not forget about Akainu, who had guys like Whitebeard, most of his commanders, Jinbei, Ivankov, etc. on his dick, yet NONE of them could really stop him from pursuing Luffy like the bloodthirsty hound he is. Heck, it didn't even take him long to recover from Whitebeard's quakepunch assault after he murdered Ace. Those facts alone should speak volumes about what kind of monsters the admirals are. That being said, it may very well be the case that even the combined might of the current monster trio would have a rough time against an emperor or admiral. That's why I keep on arguing that forming alliances with the other supernovas would be Luffy's best bet towards toppling all of those powerful forces.... |
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2012-12-28, 21:20 | Link #53 |
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I agree with you, I just don't think they can be overwhlemed with little resistance.
Akainu's charge is one thing, he was obviously out for blood and keep in mind that Marine to have the overwhelming advantage in members and secondary fighters that kept WB's top commander and even WB himself occupied. As for Sengoku, I don't remember it was one-sided, I remember that confrontation was pretty brief and none of BB's crew was being pressed either before Garp joins and they had a staredown before Shanks join the fray. I'll need to check back on that though...
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Baby 5 and Buffalo have arrived to get CC has they were ordered, but they are fighting with the enemy(Franky). Monet and Vergo’s conditions are unknown at the point. The facility did not blow up. Daflamingo has given Baby 5 and Buffalo orders to keep the tin man(Franky) busy until he gets there. He also wants CC back so he can continue his SAD production. Law, Luffy, and Smoker, just laid waste to the SAD facility, defeated his people (Vergo his right hand man), Law challenged Daflamingo directly, and Luffy and Law have a alliance. You know the old saying, if you want things done right you do it yourself. I do predict a major battle to unfold. Second do we know how fast Daflamingo is going? Do you think Daflamingo will settle for failure? Zoro and Sanji Of course Zoro needs a turn, he is one of the supernovas. That would be like throwing Nami at Law and saying that was Law’s spot light. That is totally unfair for Zoro and he needs to be in the spot light. Has for Sanji, Vergo cracked the most powerful tool in Sanji’s arsenal (His leg), he did it with his own leg. In chapter 682 pages 8 Sanji was wounded on the leg, and even Sanji admitted the situation was bad. Quote:
Monsters, Yonkou, Admiral, Fleet Admiral, Shichibuakai, Pirate King, Dark King, The Three great powers, Greatest Military Power, Strongest Man in the World, 1 Division, Hero of the Marines, Revolutionary Leader, and etc. You know what is consistent with all of these titles. They are powerful and their reputation proceeds them. But you know what also consistent, they are all human. At certain point in each one of there lives they were kids, rookies, seamen recruits, soldiers, and even deck hands. Eventually they grew and became who they are. I think the Straw hats could do it. Second of all the people you named above, White Beard was the only one to put Akainu in his place. He also was the only one who could use King haki. Luffy can use King haki so comparing his haki skills with everyone else who does not have king haki is a little unfair. I personally think Luffy’s haki is stronger then most of the people at marineford. |
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2012-12-28, 23:30 | Link #56 |
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I think it's fair to say at this point that not even the top tier fighters can easily overwhelm the strawhats anymore. Statements like "they still have a long ways to go" or "they're not ready to contend with the big players yet" are quite frankly unreasonable. We're 60% through the story according to Oda, and by doing the math that leaves us with approximately 10 years left of the story. If they're not ready to face off against the elites now, then when will they be? I'm adamant in my claim that Luffy is now high-high tier, with Zoro and Sanji being mid-high tier at the very least. Anything less than that is nonsensical and a slap in the face to the time-skip training. One Piece has always had steady/gradual strength progressions, and this new world portion of the story should be no different. If people still insist on classifying the strawhats as "not ready yet" or having inadequate strength, then that means they have to jump ridiculous leaps and bounds to reach the top in a 10-year time frame. Does that sound feasible? Judging by history, not really. Unless Oda plans on doing another time-skip, absurd power-ups after each arc would be needed to close the gaps which isn't his style.
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As for your Sanji analysis, that doesn't remotely imply Sanji was at his limit.
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2012-12-29, 00:11 | Link #58 | |
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I think Zoro is either equal to Luffy or stronger. |
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2012-12-29, 00:26 | Link #60 |
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^Monster Trio and Supernovas
I think it is true. Out of all monster trio Luffy and Sanji have shown there stuff off. Out of the supernovas Luffy and Law have shown there skills has well. But Zoro is the only one who getting screwed. Also out of everyone in the Straw Hats Luffy and Zoro are the only supernovas. Sanji is only compared to Luffy and Zoro because he is part of the monster trio and that is not official title like supernova is. |
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