Different View: Sasuke's Self-centeredness

[Isis&Osiris]

Philosophy and Psychology 101 class

This manga is more than just pretty cartoons I noticed. it reveals many human challenges and emotions we can relate too at a spiritual level. Naruto is more than just about entertaining the audience but to teach them about life and the real possibilities in this universe regardless of age.

I can relate to several of the characters such as Naruto - a self-determined visionary who desires to achieve an incredible rare feat - become numero uno in Konoha. In the real world of New Age Mysticism, this would be called Ascension. Type ascended masters in google, there'll be information on who and what they are or claimed to be to others.

Kakashi - he, I see him as a born-gifted magician who hasn't shown all of his mastery. He is also a compassionate teacher and loves to play humorous tricks (1000 years of pain on Naruto ). The Chidori power is only a glimpse of his capability.

His birthdate is embued with magickal enchantment when analyzed through Kabbalah numerology.

his DoB - http://llamakillers.sunset.net/paradise/birthday.php
Kabbalah - http://www.geocities.com/jacki3_p/number15.html

Personally, I can relate to him since I am a magickian of sorts.

Sasuke - he must master his heart to exceed his mental and physical limitations. Moreso, he can transform the destructive emanations of the heart (anger, hate, fear) into an unselfish beneficial power like Naruto's lionheart. When Naruto got pissed off in some of the episodes, he would exceed his current shinobi ability, astronimically.

I have exceeded many times the limitations.

Now, on to psychology..

Compassion and Healing

Sasuke has interesting motivations. His arrogance is a defensive mechanism to hide his insecurity and emotional pain when he faced his parents' murderer and freaked.

the motivation to avenge his parents is rather a cover-up. An object to fuel his desire to become stronger. His way of coping/dealing with his pains. he's more angry with himself for wussing out after knowing who the murderer was. His own older, more powerful brother is truly what he is attempting to emulate - a heartless killer.

eventually, I predict, the chapters will reveal Sasuke' true intents and his reasoning to persue power via Orochimaru. That the more he persues and tries to emulate a brother he also despises, he will fail. His path is compassion and the healing of his pains - to forgive himself for being a (ahaha) wuss at that time.

until he does this, he'll won't beat anyone who has a fighting heart of a lion, like Naruto. for argument sake, he won't beat Neiji either (Sasuke vs Neiji thread) - who also realized his own healing with naruto's help.

Power is nothing if the user can't master him/herself. These were (not exact) words of the 3rd Hokage for Orochimaru before he ceased: the spirit of the people is a treasure unlike gaining instruments, devices, and knowledge of power. the Love of life and its preservation is an indomitable power itself.

that's all for today, kids

[EbonySeraphim]

This topic will be closed probably. It also contains a spoiler somewhat that you could be banned for. Also, what you discussed is no where near philosophy. As a person taking an intro to philosophy course (101 level), it definitely is not about any of what you talked about. Even the psychology part was a little iffy. You merely explained what social roles the characters fill out and parallel things in our society and your life apparently.

And with that, I think I just made my shortest post on this forum. =)

[sheen]

Your Kabbalah numerology is incorrect. According to the proper calculations on the main page, the compound key birth number of 15 would be equvalent the single number 6 (5 + 1), no? As EbonySeraphim-san has stated, you are only explaining the roles that the characters play in contrast to our society ^^; Besides, Naruto is only for entertainment, why go all physchological?

[Muad'Dib]

This is kind of goofy. Ascended master? Natural-born magician? I think you mean dropout and porn-reading ninja, respectively.

[Xarrais]

Again I say to those who bash other peoples threads... shut up your not mods if the mods think that this topic is invalid you can be sure they will close it no commentary is needed from you. Till a thread is locked treat it like a valid thread. This is a fourm to talk about naruto ... this thread talks about naruto ... IE it is valid to be on a naruto fourm

As to the thread itself. Sasuke doesn't really care if he becomes a murderous Devil like orochimaru or even like his brother Itachi. The only thing he cares about is killing his brother Itachi. ANd he would sell his soul to the devil without hesitation to forfill that goal. The determination is admirable.

[Kayess]

I quite enjoy this post as it shows that some viewers beyond myself actually think about the messages beyond what we see. I do not care if his opinions are not exactly "psych 101"... they are still his opinions and they all make sense to me at least. I applaud the creator Good job!

I, too, have come to similiar conclusions.

[EbonySeraphim]

Originally Posted by Xarrais

Again I say to those who bash other peoples threads... shut up your not mods if the mods think that this topic is invalid you can be sure they will close it no commentary is needed from you. Till a thread is locked treat it like a valid thread. This is a fourm to talk about naruto ... this thread talks about naruto ... IE it is valid to be on a naruto fourm

I'm glad we have people like you acting like they have more authority than others to make sure when the moderators aren't around you can explain the rules. Perhaps instead of telling me to shut up, you can me - otherwise, we don't need your commentary either. I didn't bash the post as opposed to pointing out problems that could cause it to be closed and a flaw in the presentation. There are also plenty of very invalid posts that aren't closed too quickly because moderators aren't on this forum 24/7. Especially when you consider spoiler topics should be closed/changed ASAP. Informing the creator of the thread might make it change faster.

I also made a point of clarity on the information given. I'm sure you would correct someone who posts on a forum that said 2 + 2 = 5 even if it wasn't related to math. It's best not to have incorrect information seeping into the minds of people who may not know better.

[Kabuto Maniac]

lol. chill-out dudes, relax man! here in Jamaica.net we don't yell, we don't stress, we stay calm and smoke. and that's why we don't have T1, way to fast and exciting... btw, I don't really understand everything of what the creator of the thread said, but I do a little, and there IS a little core of truth in it, I'd say. I think that the character psycholics are quite different, but also similar in their urge to accomlish their goal. but, I wouldn't be able to point out somebody I know that has the same determination here in the real world... in my oppinion they aren't to realistic, like in Spirited Away for example... (and before murugan is gonna get pissed about me giving him no credit, here you go, 1 whole credit for you:"he told me about the movie")

[Muad'Dib]

Originally Posted by Xarrais

Again I say to those who bash other peoples threads... shut up your not mods if the mods think that this topic is invalid you can be sure they will close it no commentary is needed from you. Till a thread is locked treat it like a valid thread. This is a fourm to talk about naruto ... this thread talks about naruto ... IE it is valid to be on a naruto fourm

His birthdate is embued with magickal enchantment when analyzed through Kabbalah numerology.

If an argument has points in it I find irretrievably goofy, I have the authority to say I find those points goofy. I never said this should be closed--just that the concept of Kakashi being some natural-born magician according to Kabbalah numerology is, well, goofy.

I mean, what if I said, that according to Miss Cleo's tarot cards, Naruto's going to have ten kids with Ramen girl. Not only would that be an invalid way to make a point in the -Naruto- universe (where both Miss Cleo and Kabbalah don't exist,) I'd also be torn asunder by various Ramen girl fans.

[nh1]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

I'd also be torn asunder by various Ramen girl fans.

And the Kakashi fans

[Lexander]

Hey lets leave the man alone ... I know it's not philosophy or psychology ... and that he mearly stated a few archtypes and their roles ... but it was alright.

You get my approvel *thumb up*. I agree with most of it too . It was deep in a very simple way .

[Palani]

Agree with Lex and Ebony. It's nice to see sb. digging deeper into the subject that is Naruto.

It was petty deep IMO. This is gonna prove anice subject when I'm studying pschycholgy as part of a college education. "Roleplay in Anime and Manga" the similarities between behavior and background. Could prove to be nice.

[Memnoch]

Pretty much every thread gets closed, so i'm sure this one will too.

[eLstar]

Originally Posted by Memnoch

Pretty much every thread gets closed, so i'm sure this one will too.

I'm sure you aren't an AnimeSuki forum moderator, stop wasting your time saying this thread will be closed. Don't say such useless things. The reason why most threads here gets closed, is because most of them are stupid and don't follow the rules.

Either contribute to the thread or don't go in it at all.

p.s. EbonySeraphim, goes the same for you (although you id post something besides saying that this thread will be closed).

[Technoelfie]

I agree that Sasuke is self-centered, and that in a very unhealthy way -- unhealthy for both him and the people who care about him. He is not heartless though. He does show a certain amount of caring, but of late he has dismissed every offer of comfort or friendship as a mere nuisance. Yes, Sakura might be annoying, but she was prepared to die for him.

Naruto on the other hand draws strength from other people's caring and friendship. To him, kindness is something so unusual he treasures it and tries to repay it with everything he has.

Naruto is growing without actively seeking power at any cost while Sasuke is merely becoming a cheap version of Itachi. I doubt he'll become better than his brother if he's only fuelled by a destructive emotion like hate. He's simply not insane enough (although I don't want to speculate on Itachi's true mindset -- he might be barking mad but he could also be perfectly sane and driven by hidden motives).

Anyway, the avenger archetype is a common one in both manga/anime and world literature -- poor Sasuke was merely unfortunate enough to be cast in that role. But Kishimoto-sensei seems to have a lot of surprises up his sleeve, so Sasuke might actually develop from a cliche to a really well-rounded character.

And now to Kakashi... The only connection to magic that I can see is the ability to do jutsus that use chakra and are every similar to spell casting as established in classic role playing. Chakra fulfills the same purpose as manna, and there are jutsus that seem to be element-based: fire, water, earth or air jutsus. Zabuza for example seemed to specialize in water jutsus.

So I suppose Kakashi can be viewed as a born magician simply because he has a lot of chakra (= high magical capability) and also superior control over it (Chidori is a technique that demands precise Chakra control).

And now I'll stop rambling... *hides*

[Buu]

I took anthropology, sociology and psychology in grade 11 last year. I basically knew most of that stuff already thats why I got close to perfect on my tests and never had to study. But still I dont really think that that topic falls under the chategory it was placed, maybe sociology or anthropolgy.

sociology: "
1. The scientific study of the origin, the behavior, and the physical, social, and cultural development of humans."

Anthropology:"
1.The study of human social behavior, especially the study of the origins, organization, institutions, and development of human society. "

Psychology:"The science that deals with mental processes and behavior.
2. The emotional and behavioral characteristics of an individual, group, or activity".

Basically the initial topic was talking about why Saskue and such was the way they were and what affected them to be that way.

Other that I found this topic very amusing and entertaining I enjoyed it.

Maybe because I am in media arts class bord out of my mind because I am done all of my work.

Still it was a very goood topic because it stirred up alot of replys.

[JubeiYamazaki]

Yeah, you're looking way too deep into this. You can pretty much breakdown ANYTHING to the basics, and Naruto is no different then any other anime out right now, when it comes to the "deeper" stuff. And yes Naruto IS meant to entertain, and at the sametime educate, but mainly entertain, it is a kid's show after all. (You must remember Japan has way a higher tolerance for violence and sex compared to American television.)

[stylez]

i know that i can near to nothing about psychologi but i must say that i am interested in it, and i found this thread realy interesting i hope there comes more up in this one

[Sairon]

Originally Posted by Isis&Osiris

Power is nothing if the user can't master him/herself. These were (not exact) words of the 3rd Hokage for Orochimaru before he ceased:

I would have been pretty damn pissed of from hearing this if I hadn't already watched the eps up until now, and I don't have to be a major in psychology to know that.