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Please don't treat it as a flame on Rankas account. It's my job and forte to do this kind of thing so it's purely objective.
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2009-01-05, 10:48 | Link #1022 | ||
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Of course, a teenager is not an adult. It is just that people don't think them as a "little child" who can be excused from every of his/her naivety and selfishness anymore. They are still a child in adult's eye, but most of them (teenagers) will realize that the world is not revolving around them anymore. This is where teenagers and a child is differentiated Ranka, while initially is shown to have the rebellious phase of teenagers nowadays, actually displays more child-like personality than a teenager's personality at certain point, especially when Ep. 21 commences, when she thought only of her own wanting Alto to come with her. It is a selfish desire mixed with naivety-a child-like emotion rather than a teenager's emotion (Of course, naivety and selfishness applies to a lot of teenagers' trait sometimes. But Ranka in the latter part of Macross Frontier does display this a lot and seems to hardly think about the others feeling, hence the child-like emotion comment ) Quote:
Assuming responsibility is not a direct process-you will learn it along with simply enjoying your youth too
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2009-01-05, 11:17 | Link #1023 |
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Hi all....2009 has arrived and everything is still the same in Ranka thread...on the other hand, based on activity in this Ranka thread, I assume everyone is doing ok and I am glad to see that XD
I swear I saw ppl critizing Ranka about not caring her friends yesterday and today's discussion has become Ranka's not assuming her responsibility...I can't keep up lol and I see Ranka's "crimelist" is further expanding to the whole new level Anyway just a few point, as I said in the past, Ranka at the end has taken her responsiblity...she uses her power to the fullest and saves everyone...why no one has taken this into account as Ranka has embraced her responsibility fully at the end?? In the end, we see Ranka acts immediately and press all the right buttons but no one mentions that and insists that she is still a child... Another thing is I see ppl using Ranka "not moving" when Nanasse got hit as an example to say Ranka not caring her friend?? Sure, Sheryl did the right thing to treat Nanasse, but you can't use Sheryl's example to suggest Ranka not caring her friend...PPl feel stunned in an emergency situation...You can say Sheryl handles emergency situation better...and at the end, Ranka cures Sheryl lol..isn't that the sign she cares ppl other than Alto?? If she doesn't care ppl other than Alto as ppl suggested, then Ranka wouldn't even know Sheryl had a disease and cured her...(oh yeah, ppl also use Ranka's flashback to say Ranka only thinks about Alto in an emergency situation..but I guess in anime, ppl who lost the memory simply cannot control when the memory rushes back??) that's about it...just my two cents...happy 2009 ppl
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2009-01-05, 13:15 | Link #1024 | |
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From my point of view Ranka's just emotionally underdeveloped. It's somewhat not her fault. It's her fault she refuses to grow up in the world she was faced with though.
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2009-01-05, 13:47 | Link #1025 | ||
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It isn't about determining development during puberty, or analyzing youth behavior (seriously, we're talking about these now?), nor about the legal definition of what constitutes a child from a teenager. I won't claim to be an expert on such technical topics, but I can understand a story. It's about actions, choices and character and plot. And in that line, Minmay and Ranka can be compared. Quote:
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2009-01-05, 14:22 | Link #1026 |
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I am not arguing different things...I made it clear in my post that I am only going to say something about Ranka not caring others and not assuming responsibilites....those two were the focus point in yesterday's and today's early morning debate....as I said in my last post, the focus of Ranka debate keeps changing so I can only comment on what I saw yesterday and today's early morning....
I haven't read the reasons for singing argument yet, so I am in no position to debate in regard to this area...
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2009-01-05, 14:32 | Link #1027 | |
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Certainly, Otome has a huge potential, even more so than HiME, but I won't use that fact alone as a gauge to compare the qualities of the two respective shows. - Tak (On the other hand, I really like Mai. She was a down to earth, straightforward woman. While similar to Arika in many ways, she was no where near as naive)
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2009-01-05, 15:09 | Link #1029 |
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lol, I am not involved in this reason for singing argument...I was only saying I talked about ppl saying Ranka not caring others and not assuming responibility..then you switched it to reason for singing and said i aruged two different things..I clarifed again that I was not arguing that reason for singing...
Now I say it again I am not involved to this reasons for singing argument...it seems you are arguing that "reason for singing" to other ppl??Good, go on without me plz...however if you argue with other, you always expect ppl to argue back... Once again, for the n times, I am not arguing this "reasons for singing" lol...keep the ammo to your target plz I hope I make it clear to everyone XD
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2009-01-05, 15:21 | Link #1030 | |
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2009-01-05, 15:24 | Link #1031 | |
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Did I sound that antagonistic to you? I wasn't even going against your clarification of where you stood on the post I commented about, but was rather asking a normal question about what you said in the end... as in, I myself don't see the point of arguing about it. And for your info, I didn't bring about the discussion of Ranka's singing. Someone posted about it, and I commented about it based on what actually happens in the show. I guess it really has become this bad (or ridiculous) in this side of the forums, huh? No my friend, you can keep all the ammo to yourself. |
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2009-01-05, 15:41 | Link #1032 |
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Hope I didn't sound that antagonistic to you either...it was like I used an angry voice to read your sentence...now I try read that "what's to argue to about" in a slower, more peaceful tone and it feels somewhat differently XD
So in your opinion, you don't see the point in arguing this "singing", which is fine, while in my opinion, I haven't even read the argument, I would rather let ppl (you said someone else brings this up??) discuss it...I guess the difference starts here...from my point, it's already bad enough to discuss the same issue over and over again, and it's even worse to defend or get involved in something I didn't even participate. As I said, when I read that phrase "what's to argue about"...it seemed like you immediately shut me down for going there, which I don't even participate....now you suggested you were merely asking a normal question...so I read it again and the phrase feels a bit differently now..I hope no harm is done..and business as usual
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2009-01-05, 16:03 | Link #1033 | |
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You say Ranka assumed responsibility, but her responsibility at the end of the show was not something we were focusing upon. Rather, we focused upon her choices and heeding the responsibilities for those choices made in the middle of the show. Besides, when she finally heeded her alleged responsibility, many people already died for her sake, which greatly reduced the value of that responsibility. Its like saying if a dictator was caught and tried after committing the murder of millions, he'd be executed. Yet, by that time, millions of people already perished, and they aren't coming back. So while the said dictator assumes the responsibility of genocide, its not really helping the situation of those who lost their loved ones as the deed is already done. Anyway, the point I am making is that time does not stop for anyone. Unfortunately for Ranka, she thought it stopped for her. - Tak
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2009-01-05, 16:10 | Link #1034 | ||
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2009-01-05, 16:21 | Link #1035 |
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I understand what you are saying Tak...but from my point of view, she has been trying to assume her responsiblity at the very beginning..her song works till ep 19, and everyone treats her as a saviour at that time. You may question her motive is only for Alto...that's all right, I see many ppl talked about this also...but the point is that till ep 19, she has helped macross frontier tremdously...her song doesn't work in 19, and then she goes out the journey with her brother, got controlled by grace, broke free and ended the final fight
So I think Ranka (from human standard in MF) has done very well right till ep 19...I look at the span from ep 19 to 25 as she tries to make her power to the best use Your example of dictator is a bit extreme in my opinion because Ranka never thought of killing ppl in MF...the closest examlpe I can think of is USA joins battle right at the middle of WWI and WWII (I don't think that is a good example either, but that's the closest I can do) Millions of ppl have died before USA joins and both war might not take that long to end had USA joined sooner..but war is war, and ppl will die from war...at the end, well USA still contributed quite a lot to end the WWII (I know history is your things Tak, be lenient on me in history lesson plz) Very nice to read your opinion
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2009-01-05, 16:57 | Link #1037 | |
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MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! - Tak
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