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As for whether giving parents some additional power is going to encourage them to abuse their kids, the reality is that people are not that patient. Given the choice of actually reasoning it out and bulling a decision through on authority or power, many would do the latter, and ironically it is more likely if they are losing the reasoning fight. To say that additional power won't encourage anyone to abuse it is to deny human nature itself. Quote:
Given the number of kids that go into psychoactive substances every year and the scientific research saying our brains don't fully mature until 25, I can't disagree. I can also remember exactly how much I loved doing homework... (I ended up disposing of almost all of it in recesses and lunch breaks...) However, it is also true that parents intrude into a lot of decisions that are Minor (such as the appropriate room decoration) or Either Way (doctor or artist). Nor do they always recognize when they are not the experienced or knowledgeable one and Reverse that Deference, such as when they are thrown into a VR MMORPG. Also, consider the entire theme of the recent manga-adapted anime Dekinai - if kids are to defer to adult authority figures, we won't even have this show. The two (later three) should just have worked on whatever they are good at, despite their dreams. The difference is, in the real world, the power differences are naturalistic and generally we want to be rid of them as fast as possible (albeit with delays for Quality - such as finishing University Education instead of rushing into the pool of jobs for High Schoolers). We don't positivistically insert a difference in a scenario where the kid can be equal to the parent (such as in a VR MMORPG)... |
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2019-07-19, 18:21 | Link #63 |
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It doesn't change the fact that the relationship is not equal, and the game merely mirrors that in its own way. As such, whatever problems parents and their kids had will carry over from real life to the game. The game just allow them to interact more and hopefully that will help them forge a better relationship, but that's about it.
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2019-07-19, 18:32 | Link #64 | |
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Parent provide and raise for kid and children give parent respect and obedience in return. That's not about power. It's Traditional authority not charismatic, especially as in this case parent power and skills comes undeserved. They are not mutually exclusive, but they are certainly not interchangeable And no it wouldn't "mess" family dynamic either. Different environment require different interactions. If my mom want to know something about computers or construction then she would defer my opinion as authority. That doesn't mean I would or could order her around as you apparently think for some reason, just that my mother knows and aknowledge my expertise. And it's same in game. It's all about figuring where children and parent can be equal or even in advantage, because that's most important part that parent need to learn as their lead their offsprings to adulthood.
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It's power that children gives them of their own free will at least from point they are old enough to have it. It's two way street.
And that's exactly why this game should foster healthy relationship that is not based on power alone, but mutual understanding, which is something tradional family dynamic can't work without or at least not correctly.
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Of course, I'm not saying parents have absolute power over the kids. All I'm saying is the relationship is not equal. It's only equal when the kids become adults. Quote:
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Whatever he or she want. Question is what parent can do to stop them, after all they are legally obliged provide for their offspring.
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2019-07-19, 19:13 | Link #71 |
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They can't really ground them though and whether child decide to follow ban on computer is also optional. There is no legal ground on either. Child obey these bans because he or she respect hierarchy given, but it is not enforceable in any other way then through physical strength.
Only real lever would be pocket money.
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As for deference, I was more referring to immediate things, choices about what the kid's going to do in a particular night or yes, what they can and can't listen to, watch, put on their walls, etc. Yes there are certainly times when the parents need to give their kids some freedom, but there's also plenty of times when kids will want to do things or pursue interests that really shouldn't be pursued, and a lot of the time the worse the interest or path, the more likely the kid is not even going to bother listening to any sort of reasonable explanations of why the parent wants them to change their minds. When it comes to plans for the future, that's a different matter in which I think both sides need to be very serious and very open to each others' viewpoints. As I said, I think this game is supposed to be a two-way thing. I mean, just look at the relationships we have so far: a child who fought with her mother and isn't willing to forgive, a son who's desperate to get some more distance from his overprotective and doting mother, and a girl whose mother doesn't even have time to participate in the mother-daughter-bonding game she's having her play. The first I imagine the problem's at least 60% on Wise's side; the second I'd say Mama needs to work at least as much as Masato; and the third is pretty much a matter of parental neglect. Unless they present Masato as completely in the wrong, I'd say this show is encouraging both parties to improve themselves. And Tenzen, as far as the parent not having the power to prevent a 15-year-old from using his/her computer, you have to consider that at that age, it's technically not his/her computer and if the kid disobeys the parents are fully within their rights to take the computer away and lock it up somewhere the kid can't get to, or even follow the example of a father a few years ago who got tired of his daughter's unfair slandering of him on Facebook using the laptop he personally bought her, and so made a video of himself shooting several holes in said laptop. He was ruled to have had the right to do this with the laptop he'd bought. Frankly, I wouldn't call that abuse but I would say that the father had all the power in that situation. |
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2019-07-19, 19:42 | Link #73 |
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While I'm happy that this series is getting this kind of attention and discussion, this went to a whole different level with this conversation.
Is quite interesting how such a simple series that's trying to show the dynamics of a family is generating this type of debate. |
2019-07-19, 21:55 | Link #75 |
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Well, since it's a virtual slime in a digital system, I'd assume it's programmed that way. Either the slime only melts girls' clothes or it only melts moms' clothes. This game was made to help mothers and their children overcome problems in their relationships, but no one said the programmers weren't at least a little bit perverted.
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2019-07-20, 01:13 | Link #78 |
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Shiraase, how dare you.
You trapped people in this twisted game just so that everyone will get closer relationship with their mom? What kind of game are you playing at? Riiiiight this is that kind of game, right? Why do I have a feeling that Shiraase, damn it whatever her name is going to be the final boss? I feel as if this series in some aspect feels kind of original. It is not only the Mom part of this series, and Masato isn't the only one with a mom. The heroines also have theirs. This episode actually surprised me more than I imagined. |
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^ Shirase's just government employee. She didn't plan any of this.
I'm surprised a lot of people missed the little detail about this game being development by the government. It's not some shady organization but the Japanese government themselves who are trying to improve the relationships between parents and children.
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