Character Discussion - Kaname

[arsinoe74]

Originally Posted by PreSage

Let me first state that Zero is not a poor character, not in the least! He has many good qualities and that is a fact. But Kaname is also an honourable, loyal, and compassionate person himself. He's just a bit harder to understand. Most people seem to only see his actions as being manipulative but, really, in his situation and given his objective, his actions are mere intelligent, strategic decisions for the better of his kind, relations with humans, and especially for Yuuki.

The situation in VK is not like being Superman where you protect your girl by fighting "bad guys". It's a touchy, scheming, political war between and within vampires, vampire hunters, and humans.

With many people harping how Zero cares for Yuuki more than Kaname, then tell me what exactly has Zero done FOR Yuuki (equal to what Kaname has done for her)? - aside from making her cry, worry, risk herself by offering him blood, and (one other major thing that I won't mention because it's a major manga spoiler).

The major difference between Kaname and Zero (for me) is that Kaname actually takes action to achieve his goals, while Zero just wallows in self-pity, talks about revenge but doesn't make any intelligent plans to accomplish it. That is Zero's setback for me.

Ditto you took the words out of my mouth.

[Queeny]

Originally Posted by PreSage

Let me first state that Zero is not a poor character, not in the least! He has many good qualities and that is a fact. But Kaname is also an honourable, loyal, and compassionate person himself. He's just a bit harder to understand. Most people seem to only see his actions as being manipulative but, really, in his situation and given his objective, his actions are mere intelligent, strategic decisions for the better of his kind, relations with humans, and especially for Yuuki.

The situation in VK is not like being Superman where you protect your girl by fighting "bad guys". It's a touchy, scheming, political war between and within vampires, vampire hunters, and humans.

With many people harping how Zero cares for Yuuki more than Kaname, then tell me what exactly has Zero done FOR Yuuki (equal to what Kaname has done for her)? - aside from making her cry, worry, risk herself by offering him blood, and (one other major thing that I won't mention because it's a major manga spoiler).

The major difference between Kaname and Zero (for me) is that Kaname actually takes action to achieve his goals, while Zero just wallows in self-pity, talks about revenge but doesn't make any intelligent plans to accomplish it. That is Zero's setback for me.

you always said what we want to said PreSage !
it's really stupid when they asked me why do you like kaname over zero ?? he is a selfish guy who always hurt zero .. bla bla bla

let me say this :

zero = only talks !! no actions !
kaname = talks + actions ...!!

they always said :
" the silent type always misunderstood "

because mystery is always around kaname + he's silent doesn't mean he is a bad guy !!!

hope yuuki open her eyes !! and know who is really care to die for her ..

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by Queeny

you always said what we want to said PreSage !
it's really stupid when they asked me why do you like kaname over zero ?? he is a selfish guy who always hurt zero .. bla bla bla

let me say this :

zero = only talks !! no actions !
kaname = talks + actions ...!!

they always said :
" the silent type always misunderstood "

because mystery is always around kaname + he's silent doesn't mean he is a bad guy !!!

hope yuuki open her eyes !! and know who is really care to die for her ..

Now, not everybody has the advantadge of being a smart guy with excelent abilities to play chess (that's how the anime represents Kaname's game). Zero is a rather stupid guy with no clear objectives and absolutely more impulsive than rational. However, the one who's willing to give his life for Yuuki, that's very questionable.
Kaname made a super master plan in order to have a happy ever after life with Yuuki = he's not willing to die (but we still don't see him at the edge of his feelings, let's wait a bit more).
Zero does nothing but scream in pain for being so useless, I don't feel pity for him anymore , but when the time came...

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he was a bit hesitant but finally understood all he could do at this point was to give his life to save Yuuki from rido

Besides, even if you love her, using your girlfriend's best friend as a human (or vampiric, hehe) shield isn't what I would consider the best plan.
I like Zero more than Kaname, but if I had to choose, I think I'll proceed the same way as Kaname (I can't wait to see the ending so I could make up my mind)

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

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he was a bit hesitant but finally understood all he could do at this point was to give his life to save Yuuki from rido

Really?

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and he still called her an enemy...

I believe the one person who actually made Zero get up to face Rido was his twin brother - to avenge Shizuka for Ichiru. Zero fighting Rido for Yuuki's sake, as was asked by Kaname (along with something else), remains questionable.

Besides, even if you love her, using your girlfriend's best friend as a human (or vampiric, hehe) shield isn't what I would consider the best plan.
I like Zero more than Kaname, but if I had to choose, I think I'll proceed the same way as Kaname (I can't wait to see the ending so I could make up my mind)

True. It does seem very uncompassionate.

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However, Kaname may know that Zero is the only individual capable of killing Rido. He can't himself because of the (and I'll just call it) "curse". He can't use any of the other vampires because they can be hypnotized by purebloods. That leaves only Yuuki as the pureblood remaining who can fight against Rido but of course Kaname doesn't want his beloved girl fighting.

I believe Kaname knows that Zero has a good chance against Rido - of course that thought does have its risks. I don't think Kaname is sentencing Zero to death because he knows that Zero's death will lose him Yuuki's love (recall what he said to Yagari in the earlier episodes/chapter).

(Hmm, I wonder how much of my words I'm gonna have to eat later when Kaname's true character is revealed. Oh well, these are the impressions I get with what I've read so far. *shrugs*)

Just to add, in Zero's defense (yes, I'm defending Zero here XD), he's not a stupid guy and he does have a clear objective - even if his objective is revenge on the vampires for killing his parents and making him what he is. His problem is his continual wallowing in self-pity that prevents him from taking up proper action to achieve his goals. It was for this reason that Yagari pointed his gun at Zero - and when Zero actually retaliated by knocking that gunfire away from him and says he wants to live, that Yagari walks away. Dang it, even his sensei knows. XD

My interest now lies in what is happening with Headmaster Cross.

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He's entering the battlefield now and I want to know what exactly he's facing. But it seems that the Headmaster and Kaname may be fighting alongside each other real soon.

[ArtCp]

Originally Posted by PreSage

It was for this reason that Yagari pointed his gun at Zero - and when Zero actually retaliated by knocking that gunfire away from him and says he wants to live, that Yagari walks away. Dang it, even his sensei knows. XD[/spoiler]

The only reason Zoro knocked the gun away was because of Yuuki..Not out of his desire for life imo.

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by ArtCp

The only reason Zoro knocked the gun away was because of Yuuki..Not out of his desire for life imo.

It was because of Yuuki's influence. Zero himself was in a pitiless state but Yuuki gave him reason to continue on.

[MitsukiPearl]

For some strange reason.. I want Yuuki to go with Kaname.. Idk why.. Its just I feel like they're connected by a red string of fait. And yeah~ But Zero makes a good older brother for Yuuki. ^^

[carmolita]

Originally Posted by arsinoe74

After reading through different VK forums.It seems that majority predicts that Kaname is the one, likely to die to make this story tragic. He does have the aura of a doomed hero.Taciturn and lonely, He keeps things to himself and refused to share his burden with anyone unless absolutely necessary(like with Zero,because it is necessary to save Yukki).His obssession to protect Yuki at all cost.His past crimes, specially the killing of another pureblood which foreshadow an ominous future. He's my favorite character and after reading those post. I cant help but feel sad. I do hope that if ever he is going to die, That Miss Hino will give him a hero's death fighting to the end,strong, courageous and majestic.Protecting the one he loves,knowing that he was and is loved,not only by Yukki but by his supporters as well...That he'll die with a peaceful heart, without remorse,knowing his sacrifices were worth it...Pardon the soap opera post. I just have to let it out.

Many people speculate that kaname is going to die. I must admit that even I jumped abored ship since this is suppose to be a romantic tragedy, but then I had to look at it like this~ If zero and kaname fought it out they'd loose yuki, because if one or the other died at the hands of the other without reason..yuki would hate him till the end of time...What could be gained at this point?

~If kaname died `yuki

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would be upset because now that she remembers (remember kain said we drink each others blood to fill our thoughts) he has become the closest person to her, however, I don't know if her remembering is truly enough right now Kaname has only visited yuki over the last 10 years and praticaly ignored her over the last 4..eventhough now I think he did it for her protection...Aside from kaname, No one but Rido and the chairman knows yuuki's true identity.. It's not un natural for yuki to be close to zero - there was no one else around and she was all alone...At this point she still doesn't know everything yet her heart and mind are still confused. Right now .. We still don't know who kaname is...We do know that he is a changed person around yuki, and became a loving person because of her parents...But because yuki parents loved him so much and knew who he was ~ hints that he must of been some one great....What would be an good excuse for his death: Kaname is aquiring all this power to protect yuki..What if he can't harness it and lose control? He could also sacrifice himself to protect yuki like he promised her mother 10years ago. What if rido somehow posses kaname and the only way to kill rido is to destroy kaname that in itself would be a tragedy and also the end of the kuran line...as well as the noble vampires, because without solid leadership they could become uncontrolable..However out of his nobility I could see kaname dying before he has to see anyone else perish that he loves that is..Afterall, He exposed his scheme to save shiki. knowing what would happen if rido got his body back

~if zero died yuki would be devistated, because he was her whole world since kaname all but abandond her, but somehow she feels obligated to be by his side. She feels that everything is her fault. Because she's taken care of him like a mother to a child it's only natural her feelings are conflicted. What could be the reason for zero dying: He could subcomb to level "E"~ and die because of it. He could fulfill his role as yuki's shield and die protecting her. He could become mortally wounded in the battle with rido ..One thing is for certain,,If zero lives he would have to continue drinking yuki blood to survive only not as much since she is a pureblood (She would forever be his lunch). If zero lives he could become a formidable hunter and yuki and him would make a great team as guardians for peace, however, since so much time has been spent building his character~ It would be that much more tragic if he died and yuki would fight to preserve his memory....maybe even have a little zero.

~ If yuki died Vampire knight over~ kaname and zero would kill each other out of blame

~ However, if the chairman died ..I could see them all surviving to preserve his memory and build the future of peace that he wanted between the vampires and humans..

Those are just my thoughts I'm still a kaname x yuki fan, because
kaname is strongminded and doesn't make irrational decisions based on emotions alone and looks at the big picture ..Zero is the opposite ` he is stongwilled , but often lets his feelings get in the way of his better judgment often causeing kaos - thinking of the consequences later. Yuki likes zero because he takes action, but loves kaname because he knows intuitively when she needs him most.. What girl doesn't want to be rescued

Sorry for long post

[PreSage]

I think Yuuki chooses to

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stay by Zero's side probably because she feels she is also partly to blame for his pain and suffering, which she based solely on the fact that she shares the same blood as the one who murdered his family -- and remaining by his side is a way of paying back for the sins Shizuka inflicted upon him. Her actions and behaviour in the latest chapters give me this impression moreso than of her harbouring a love of passion for Zero. And, although I prefer Kaname, I think her decision may be right - after giving it some thought. Although she may not choose to stay with Zero forever, I think it was wise and compassionate of Yuuki to choose to fight by Zero's side at present and give him support; her action balances out the hateful crime Shizuka committed against him.

One thing about Kaname's action to Yuuki that is quite admirable is the fact that he lets her do what she wants. He kept quiet about her giving blood to Zero, which we know he was fully aware of. He allowed her to remain at the school to fight with Zero in the latest chapter, even though we know he wants her to be with him. In other words, his silent actions shows that he, not only loves her, but respects her.

Originally Posted by carmolita

Yuki likes zero because he takes action

Zero takes action? Sorry, that's just my instant reaction.

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by carmolita

~ If yuki died Vampire knight over~ kaname and zero would kill each other out of blame

If Yuuki dies, Kaname and Zero will reconsider the reason why they were fighting in first place, realize that it was pointless, and become best friends. End of the series. (please don't think I have anything against Yuuki )


I don't see why people speculate that Kaname is going to die. The way I see it, the only possible outcome of this is that both guys live or both guys die. And if I were forced to kill one of them, I'd kill Zero, his character had already been explained and there's no more things to make character development. To say it in another way, he presents no more use to the manga, basically because this manga is more about relationships and developments than action itself. Also, if Zero dies, I think it's easier to find a way of making him come back in the second arc of the manga (don't know, some weird vampire powers or something like that).

Originally Posted by PreSage

[SPOILER="manga"]I think Yuuki chooses to stay by Zero's side probably because she feels she is also partly to blame for his pain and suffering, which she based solely on the fact that she shares the same blood as the one who murdered his family

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Why do you say Yuuki and Shizuka share the same blood? The fact of being purebloods doen't mean they are all family.

Originally Posted by PreSage

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-- and remaining by his side is a way of paying back for the sins Shizuka inflicted upon him. Her actions and behaviour in the latest chapters give me this impression moreso than of her harbouring a love of passion for Zero. And, although I prefer Kaname, I think her decision may be right - after giving it some thought. Although she may not choose to stay with Zero forever, I think it was wise and compassionate of Yuuki to choose to fight by Zero's side at present and give him support; her action balances out the hateful crime Shizuka committed against him.

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I admit I prefer Zero, but I can't see how is she harbouring a love of passion for her half-brother. Probably she is going to think of him like that till the end of times. Poor Zero IMO, her actions are oriented to balance the already existing dilema in her heart. Since she became a vampire, she's being feeling like betraying Zero, so the decision of standing by his side is more like telling him that no matter what, she'll be with him (as a sister/friend i insist).

Originally Posted by PreSage

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One thing about Kaname's action to Yuuki that is quite admirable is the fact that he lets her do what she wants. He kept quiet about her giving blood to Zero, which we know he was fully aware of. He allowed her to remain at the school to fight with Zero in the latest chapter, even though we know he wants her to be with him. In other words, his silent actions shows that he, not only loves her, but respects her.

Agreed. He still looks more reliable,gentlemen and intelligent (well those points are obvius hehe) than the emotional Zero. It's somehow like having to choose a well planned life, with a clear future, or choose living a different adventure everyday without knowing what's going to happend the next minute. OH yuuki... you're in such a hard position!

Originally Posted by PreSage

Zero takes action? Sorry, that's just my instant reaction.

Well, the little princess () keeps Zero from going on a rampage. All he wants is to take action!

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

Why do you say Yuuki and Shizuka

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share the same blood? The fact of being purebloods doen't mean they are all family.

I didn't mean it literally. It was a figure of speech. I meant that since Shizuka is a pureblood and

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Yuuki is also a pureblood (that is the same kind/species); she feels guilty that her kind inflicted such pain and hatred in Zero.

Originally Posted by Deadwings

I admit I prefer Zero, but I can't see how is she harbouring a love of passion for her half-brother.

I wouldn't consider Kaname to be

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Yuuki's brother - not even half (unless further evidence proves otherwise). The current strongest evidence is what Kaname said to Zero a while back: how he would be happy if he was truly her brother. I would think that he was either adopted or were raised together with Yuuki under the pretense that he's her brother. But in fact he is not blood-related to her at all - in the human sense.

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by PreSage

I wouldn't consider Kaname to be

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Yuuki's brother - not even half (unless further evidence proves otherwise). The current strongest evidence is what Kaname said to Zero a while back: how he would be happy if he was truly her brother. I would think that he was either adopted or were raised together with Yuuki under the pretense that he's her brother. But in fact he is not blood-related to her at all - in the human sense.

I was talking about Zero.

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Yes I think Kaname is adopted, too. But this will probably mean he's not a Kuran... I wonder what surprises is Kaname holding back.

[Queeny]

hmm

just wondering , don't you suppose to use spoiler tag here ??
since some of the members still don't know anything about the manga !! they didn't read it yet .

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by Queeny

hmm

just wondering , don't you suppose to use spoiler tag here ??
since some of the members still don't know anything about the manga !! they didn't read it yet .

Ack! *headdesks!* Yes, we are >_< . I completely forgot that this discussion was in the Kaname character thread and not the manga thread. *headdesks again* Thanks for reminding us, Queeny.

I went back and put spoiler tags in my posts. Gomen minna!

[Deadwings]

Tagged, just in case.
PreSage, I hope you don't mind that I tagged my quotes.
I don't remember if Kaname's past was explained in the anime but I tagged it anyway.

Edit: Oh you're tagging too, then nothing to worry about, I'll adapt my taggs to yours (because I'm bored and have nothing better to do )

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

Tagged, just in case.
PreSage, I hope you don't mind that I tagged my quotes.
I don't remember if Kaname's past was explained in the anime but I tagged it anyway.

Edit: Oh you're tagging too, then nothing to worry about, I'll adapt my taggs to yours (because I'm bored and have nothing best to do )

Ahaha, yeah, I went ahead and tagged everything in my posts, including quotes from your posts. Glad that you didn't mind my doing that.

I don't think the anime covered Kaname's past. From what I read, it covered only up to the end of the Shizuka arc, and what little detail of Kaname's past we know is revealed during the Rido arc, which will be the second season.

Originally Posted by Deadwings

I was talking about Zero.
Yes I think Kaname is adopted, too. But this will probably mean he's not a Kuran... I wonder what surprises is Kaname holding back.

Sorry, I misunderstood when you said "half-brother" because being a half-brother would mean that you share one of the parents. But in this case, Zero was adopted as well, so he's an adopted brother.

Kaname is a Kuran. It seems that he's

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one of the Kuran ancestors. From how I understand it, all purebloods are related at one point or another - that's how they maintain their PURE blood. Like royalties, they all marry within the families to maintain the purity of the blood. It remains unknown just how Yuuki and Kaname are related but in the vampire bloodline, they both carry Kuran bloods.

Okay, after saying all that now I'm confused how the other lesser vampires came into being? If purebloods have pure vampire bloods that has not been tainted with human blood (as Headmaster Cross explained), then how does the noble vampires even exist, when human/vampire blood hybrids commonly fall to level E and are destroyed?

One thing that has been bugging me was

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the impression I got during the flashback when Yuuki's parents faced Rido for the last time. The dialogue between Yuuki's mother and her father about their decision to finally create an offspring out of their love gives me the impression that pureblood vampire youngsters may not be born like humans. Ack, I should go back and re-read that manga chapter to be sure. >.<;

I hope Kaname's past will be revealed...and real soon...because I'm sure his history will explain a lot about the developing situation and different relationships of the characters.

I also think that Rido may be Kaname's brother or something. Rido is supposedly the current Head of the Kuran family and not Kaname - or so he and his followers claim.

Ack! Too many questions still unanswered! :dies:

[Deadwings]

Ack! your post made me think a lot... I'm tired of thinking by this time of the day, but it's okay since I had to re-read chapter 35 and chibi Yuuki made me smile

Originally Posted by PreSage

Kaname is a Kuran. It seems that he's

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one of the Kuran ancestors. From how I understand it, all purebloods are related at one point or another - that's how they maintain their PURE blood. Like royalties, they all marry within the families to maintain the purity of the blood. It remains unknown just how Yuuki and Kaname are related but in the vampire bloodline, they both carry Kuran bloods.

Then you might have been unconsciously right when you said

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that Shisuka and Yuuki were shared the same blood. We don't know if they are related somehow... Darn, I don't even want to think how complicated can be a pureblood's family tree, since they usually marry brothers/sisters or anyone who serves the purpose lol

Originally Posted by PreSage

Okay, after saying all that now I'm confused how the other lesser vampires came into being? If purebloods have pure vampire bloods that has not been tainted with human blood (as Headmaster Cross explained), then how does the noble vampires even exist, when human/vampire blood hybrids commonly fall to level E and are destroyed?

I have some ideas on this. First, Pureblood has a child with human, I don't know if it is genetically possible but since nothing says the opposite then I won't discard this. Second, both anime and manga sustain that humans who became vampires can keep their sanity by drinking the blood of the pureblood who bit him/her. Tough I don't remember if it was said if they needed the blood like somekind of drug and drink it peridiocally or if with just once was okay to keep their minds working. So, vampires who avoided falling to level E, by some reason could have become nobles.

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This is just my thoughts, I think a noble category is given to vampires (not purebloods) who no longer need to drink a pureblood's blood, have great supernatural powers (like rido who controls fire), and maybe they need a good social status too (but this is the less important). So according to this, if it is confirmed that Zero no longer needs to drink from a pureblood, then he can be considered a noble too since he has amazing supernatural powers now.

Originally Posted by PreSage

One thing that has been bugging me was

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the impression I got during the flashback when Yuuki's parents faced Rido for the last time. The dialogue between Yuuki's mother and her father about their decision to finally create an offspring out of their love gives me the impression that pureblood vampire youngsters may not be born like humans. Ack, I should go back and re-read that manga chapter to be sure. >.<;

Really? I only paid attention to chibi Yuuki so I don't know.

Originally Posted by PreSage

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I hope Kaname's past will be revealed...and real soon...because I'm sure his history will explain a lot about the developing situation and different relationships of the characters.

I also think that Rido may be Kaname's brother or something. Rido is supposedly the current Head of the Kuran family and not Kaname - or so he and his followers claim.

Ack! Too many questions still unanswered! :dies:

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Well, with a pureblood's messy family tree, I wouldn't be surprised if they really were brothers In that same chapter, Kaname's mother says to Rido something like "you came back to take my child again". Makes me wonder if Kaname might have really been her son, but was taken by Rido, who did god knows what, and now Kaname is no longer her son. Twisted my mind.

You die? Let me join...

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

Ack! your post made me think a lot... I'm tired of thinking by this time of the day

Hahaha, good then I've done my evil deed of the day.

Originally Posted by Deadwings

I have some ideas on this. First, Pureblood has a child with human, I don't know if it is genetically possible but since nothing says the opposite then I won't discard this. Second, both anime and manga sustain that humans who became vampires can keep their sanity by drinking the blood of the pureblood who bit him/her. Tough I don't remember if it was said if they needed the blood like somekind of drug and drink it peridiocally or if with just once was okay to keep their minds working. So, vampires who avoided falling to level E, by some reason could have become nobles.

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This is just my thoughts, I think a noble category is given to vampires (not purebloods) who no longer need to drink a pureblood's blood, have great supernatural powers (like rido who controls fire), and maybe they need a good social status too (but this is the less important). So according to this, if it is confirmed that Zero no longer needs to drink from a pureblood, then he can be considered a noble too since he has amazing supernatural powers now.

You raised a good point about a vampire having a child with a human. I think that may be possible in the VK world (so do I smell vampire/human love in the VK world as well? Guess so! ). Yes, that may explain the impure noble bloodlines. About Level E vampires, I thought that if the bitten human drank the blood of the vampire that bit him, he returns to being human?

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Didn't Ichiru (Zero's twin) tell Zero that Shizuka allowed him to drink her blood? That's why he remained human.

Originally Posted by Deadwings

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Well, with a pureblood's messy family tree, I wouldn't be surprised if they really were brothers In that same chapter, Kaname's mother says to Rido something like "you came back to take my child again". Makes me wonder if Kaname might have really been her son, but was taken by Rido, who did god knows what, and now Kaname is no longer her son. Twisted my mind.

You die? Let me join...

Well, from my understanding, Kaname was

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"dead" (like how Rido was) and Rido offered his blood to wake Kaname up (like how Kaname brought Rido back to life again). That's why Rido is Kaname's "master", and the reason why Kaname can't kill him. Plus, Haruka (I think that was Yuuki's father's name) gave me the impression during that last flashback that he wished Kaname was truly his son. So this all suggests that Kaname can't be their real son. But this makes me wonder what happened to their other child? And what did Rido do with him/her?

I think the purebloods may be going around killing each other and drinking their victims blood because then they become even more powerful. Also, I get the impression that not all purebloods are equal; some may be more powerful than others and to gain that greater power is to drink the other's blood (like what Kaname did to Shizuka).

And one last thing, since I'm on a roll , since Rido came back the same age that he died, then for some reason Kaname died at a young age? Wait, since Rido was able to possess Shiki than maybe he didn't really die in the same way that Kaname did - that's why when Kaname came back, he reverted back to a child? Or was he a child to begin with? Argh, vampire logic is like time travelling - so twisted.

Originally Posted by Deadwings

You die? Let me join...

You want the coffin closest to the window or the other one?

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by PreSage

About Level E vampires, I thought that if the bitten human drank the blood of the vampire that bit him, he returns to being human?

Spoiler for just in case this wasn't in the anime:

Didn't Ichiru (Zero's twin) tell Zero that Shizuka allowed him to drink her blood? That's why he remained human.

Ichiru was never bitten by Shizuka, he drank her blood and became more powerful, but Shizuka refused to bite him. And it was also in the anime.

Originally Posted by PreSage

Well, from my understanding, Kaname was

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"dead" (like how Rido was) and Rido offered his blood to wake Kaname up (like how Kaname brought Rido back to life again). That's why Rido is Kaname's "master", and the reason why Kaname can't kill him. Plus, Haruka (I think that was Yuuki's father's name) gave me the impression during that last flashback that he wished Kaname was truly his son. So this all suggests that Kaname can't be their real son. But this makes me wonder what happened to their other child? And what did Rido do with him/her?

I think the purebloods may be going around killing each other and drinking their victims blood because then they become even more powerful. Also, I get the impression that not all purebloods are equal; some may be more powerful than others and to gain that greater power is to drink the other's blood (like what Kaname did to Shizuka).

And one last thing, since I'm on a roll , since Rido came back the same age that he died, then for some reason Kaname died at a young age? Wait, since Rido was able to possess Shiki than maybe he didn't really die in the same way that Kaname did - that's why when Kaname came back, he reverted back to a child? Or was he a child to begin with? Argh, vampire logic is like time travelling - so twisted.

STOP IT!! It's even hard to read!!
I'm afraid I'll have to re-check the manga... you're mean, you made me be unsure of everything I thought of Kaname... I guess I'll stop here, too much for my little head



PD: Oh and I'll take the one next to the window, nice air currents go well with my death.

[carmolita]

Spoiler for kaname orgin spoiler from manga:

The real kaname is dead. The soul of an ancestor was placed inside yuki brother body when he was very,very young and he grew up in that body as yuki's brother~ that is the kaname we have now (who is not yuki real brother) ~ yuki parents knew who kaname was all along and told kaname they knew before they died 10years ago. They were ok with it and gave kaname their love and affection and asked him to take care of yuki before they died after all they were 3000 years old. Yuki doesn't know who kaname is yet, but regardless she says she'll love him even if he betrays her.