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10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 5 | 16.67% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 5 | 16.67% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 5 | 16.67% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 8 | 26.67% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 5 | 16.67% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 3.33% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 1 | 3.33% | |
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2012-09-13, 14:18 | Link #121 | |
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2012-09-13, 15:04 | Link #123 |
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It means they severed themselves from earth's Nationality. It's pretty much the same when the Americans severed themselves from England. It's no like they thought themselves 'superior' to the English.
(almost) everyone in the earth sphere falls under the same government. To refer to them collectively as "Earthers" (those from earth or the earth sphere) isn't a stretch, nor is it necessarily an insult. |
2012-09-13, 19:40 | Link #125 | ||
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Especially when it comes to Asemu. "You told me he's not an X-Rounder!" Quote:
That is why is going you cant beat me go back to being a civvie to Asemu. He chose the Ezelcant over Asemu. Hence trying to kill Asemu personally when he said No. Then Asemu did beat him realizing underestimating Asemu was arrogance on his part. Now Zeheart obsesses over Asemu as he is a threat to Project Eden. |
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2012-09-13, 20:21 | Link #126 | |
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2012-09-14, 00:21 | Link #127 | |
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Plus you forget that not only the Vagans severed themselves from Earth, they are now coming back with the claim that Earthnoids don't deserve to have a claim on Earth, that kind of thinking can only be arise from a thought of superiority. A point to remember is that the Vagans aren't fighting a war of independence or repression - they are *invaders*! Naturally invaders thinks themselves superior that's why they invade in the first place! Put it this way - if America declares an invasion war on England today and says the Queen and Prime Minister don't deserve to be the head of the England and that Americans should rule over England, what do you think underlies the reasoning except the feeling of superiority? Because when you decide that you know better and can rule better than the other party and does it by brute force with no regards for anything what else can there be except thinking that you are superior in every way?
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2012-09-14, 01:16 | Link #128 | |
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2012-09-14, 01:46 | Link #129 | |
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And really, obsessed? Even during their recent battle against Sid Zeheart still was telling Asemu to move aside and don't interfere instead of outright trying to kill him. |
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2012-09-14, 03:27 | Link #130 | |
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Zeheart was having a crisis of conscience then. As seen recently he will throw away his humanity for Ezelcant. Not to mention Aemu lived on a Colony not Earth itself. Extermination of Earthers takes priority over extermination of colonists. At best they would be slaves. The colony nations are independent sovereign states with the Federation as the only super power left. Zeheart payed special attention to Asemu during the Moon base attack. Taking him one on one over the others. Asemu has always been the source of Zeheart's doubts. As such he tries to kill him lest his conscience take over. |
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2012-09-14, 03:38 | Link #131 |
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Zeheart pretty clearly implied that if Asemu and Romary stayed out of the way, they'd be alright. Whether that meant they weren't going to kill all the earthers or just that Zeheart could personally make sure that at least the two of them were alright wasn't clear.
Zeheart was happy when Asemu became Captain Ash as it meant he'd be out of his way, and told him he should have stayed hidden when he started fighting him again. This might also explain why Zeheart took to the Eden plan so easily as it would mean that those "worthy" could be earth or Vegan and he could be with his friends again. However Zeheart will kill Asemu if it came down to it. Loyalty to Vegan's is first. He'd just really like it if his buddy would let him do this thing and then they can hang out afterwards. So in Zehearts twisted mind its win/win. Either he kills Asemu and leads the Vegan to Eden, or Asemu doesn't interfere and he leads the Vegan to Eden, and Asemu and Romary can come too. He'd be happy with either. Asemu however won't stand for a decisive Vegan victory, or the Eden plan, and thus it likely won't end well for Zeheart. |
2012-09-14, 03:46 | Link #132 |
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When you consider your opponents to be cruel and/or ignorant that means you deem yourself to be less cruel/not ignorant - ie you think you are BETTER than your opponent and won't be doing what they do, how is that not thinking yourself to be superior?
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2012-09-14, 08:11 | Link #133 | ||
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But anyway, it doesn't matter. My point is that back in the gen 2 Zeheart genuinely believed that if Asemu quits military he will be able to live normal life, which suggests that in his opinion vagans wasn't going to exterminate Earth population or turn them into slaves. Unless you mean he didn't care what happens to Asemu as long as he don't have to kill him personally because it would nag at his conscience, but i don't know, doesn't seem like something Zeheart would do. Also, can't remember anything suggesting Vagans distinguish colonists and Earth population in any way. Quote:
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2012-09-14, 20:42 | Link #136 | |
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2012-09-14, 23:51 | Link #137 | |
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There's nothing inherently wrong with being morally superior to your enemy if they violate the rules of warfare, killing prisoners, feigning surrender, targetting Red Cross/Crescent personnel, etc.
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2012-09-15, 02:02 | Link #138 | |
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Their ancestors failed in the terraforming project. They live in poor conditions while Earth Sphere is somewhat prosperous in their opinion. There is still a rich and poor gap there but in their eyes all Earth spheroids are lucky. Then there comes the envy and resentment. In their pride they don't ask for charity but instead steal what they think is rightfully theirs. As seen with Decil, Magicians 8, Zanald even Zeheart to an extent they can't accept being bettered in piloting. They have insecurities of not winning. Vegan leader Ezelcant came to his Social Darwinist philosophy because of his own inadequacy to save his son. He convinced the Vegan population through propaganda that they are the superior race thus deserving Eden. (All the while pruning both Vegans and Earth Spheroids with his quack understanding of evolution.) |
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2012-09-15, 02:20 | Link #139 | ||
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Also the Vagan military consider themselves to be more physically powerful as ReddyRedWolf pointed out, and again invaders don't usually invade when they think of themselves as physically weaker than those they are attacking. Quote:
If anything you should be directing your argument towards Denger, as he's the one that is thinking that moral superiority doesn't constitute as a form of "superiority". Denger pointed out that the Vagans look at Earthnoids as being cruel/ignorant, the quote by me you high lighted was my rhetorical question to how that is not a form of one considering themselves as superior.
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2012-09-15, 05:02 | Link #140 |
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They didn't wage war because they were superior, they waged war because they wanted to live.
....Thank you, Doctor Sigmund Freud. Giving stuff a label doesn't make you a good psychologist. On the contrary. Show me an exact quote where he refers to them as "The Superior Race". |
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