Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Abnormal compared to which other main character?

Suzaku and his Hax? Any of the Geass users?

I'm using the word normal to mean not having some superpower like immortality or Geass, so yes, everyone you referred to (except Suzaku, who just happens to have extreme physical abilieis) is abnormal.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I'm using the word normal to mean noy having some superpower like immortality or Geass, so yes, everyone you referred to (except Suzaku) is abnormal.

So why do you want C.C. to lose her immortality? What does that achieve?

Why not demand that Suzaku lose his Hax? Why is it considered a "good thing" to lose immortality anyway?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

So why do you want C.C. to lose her immortality? What does that achieve?

Why not demand that Suzaku lose his Hax? Why is it considered a "good thing" to lose immortality anyway?

Stripping C.C. from her position as witch would be an interesting situation.


Plus, it should give her more chance at being Lelouch's LI.

[Koshimizu]

I don't know what to say...
This TV magazine should have waited utill next week! Or at least not give out something this big!

Spoiler for Turn 14 summary:

Spoiler for SHIRLEY:

Turn 14 - Geass Hunting
Shirley, whose fate was twisted by Geass, died for Geass.
To avenge her death, Lelouch determines to the annihilate the Geass Cult.
With the information from Rolo and Jeremiah, he found out the Cult's headquarter and rushes into it.


Shirley...
"Died for Geass" (ギアスのために) is quite strange. It's not "because of", but "for". What for?
[OT]V.V.'s bored face up there makes me want to punch the screen.[/OT]

(Spoiler tagged because maybe some people don't want to know this soon.)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Stripping C.C. from her position as witch would be an interesting situation.


Plus, it should give her more chance at being Lelouch's LI.

Lulu is not a normal guy. So he doesn't need a "normal' girl to be his LI.

Saying that you want C.C. to lose her immortality means you want her to die. I don't know why you would want that. And if Lulu wouldn't date a girl unless she is mortal, then Lulu is shallow and does not deserve her.

[bladeofdarkness]

holy shit !!!!!
that puts an end to at least some debate

[yamibakura]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I'm just throwing out ideas now (not speculations), but the things is, does "killing" here actually mean taking the life? That's a question that we should consider.

In the most common sense killing means to end life, to take life. In code geass, VV and Charles are conspiring to kill gods. What do the gods even mean. Do they want to kill immortals? Do they want to become gods themselves? What does it mean to have power? Does having power make you a god? If we can understand these questions we might be able to discern what these gods in gode geass are and possibly even why Charles and VV are working for their destruction. Bartley even says to Cornelia about how they'll be accomplices to the biggest crime in history. He says, "If that hypothesis is correct, then we will become accomplices to the biggest crime in history..." What hypothesis? We can only guess this has something to do with the gods. And from the way Bartley talks of this as the biggest crime in history, would that make the gods (I don't want to say good) but not bad? Enough for Bartley and his research team to consider it a crime... Back to the original idea about what killing might actually mean in this context, it is hard to say anything for certain. Are we killing actual gods? Are we killing immortality? Or maybe are we killing the idea - the dream - hope itself?

[Isegrim]

I'm quite surprised that this spoiler is given to us in advance .
Hum, this thread is going to explode.

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Stripping C.C. from her position as witch would be an interesting situation.


Plus, it should give her more chance at being Lelouch's LI.

Nah, that sucks. Immortality rocks. Even if you will have to be alone, i'd prefer it over death.
And what do you mean increasing her chances of being LI? Would he fall in love with her if she would be normal? He either falls for her, or he dies, or he don't falls for her. Immortality got nothing to do with it.

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

I don't know what to say...
This TV magazine should have waited utill next week! Or at least not give out something this big!

Spoiler for Turn 14 summary:

Spoiler for SHIRLEY:

Turn 14 - Geass Hunting
Shirley, whose fate was twisted by Geass, died for Geass.
To avenge her death, Lelouch determines to the annihilate the Geass Cult.
With the information from Rolo and Jeremiah, he found out the Cult's headquarter and rushes into it.


Shirley...
"Died for Geass" (ギアスのために) is quite strange. It's not "because of", but "for". What for?
[OT]V.V.'s bored face up there makes me want to punch the screen.[/OT]

(Spoiler tagged because maybe some people don't want to know this soon.)

Man, that seriously is....Of course, we thought about that....but....It's just

Spoiler for My speculation:

I think that Shirley "died for Geass" means that Jeremiah could mess with Lelouch's or Rolo's Geass, but because of Shirley's sacrifience they were saved.
I want to cry.

[yamibakura]

All I have to say is Wow...... Wow...

[v1nx]

damn you. T_T

[Tokkan]

...

Spoiler:

Shirley died? Oh fuck.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

I don't know what to say...
This TV magazine should have waited utill next week! Or at least not give out something this big!

Spoiler for Turn 14 summary:

Spoiler for SHIRLEY:

Turn 14 - Geass Hunting
Shirley, whose fate was twisted by Geass, died for Geass.
To avenge her death, Lelouch determines to the annihilate the Geass Cult.
With the information from Rolo and Jeremiah, he found out the Cult's headquarter and rushes into it.


Shirley...
"Died for Geass" (ギアスのために) is quite strange. It's not "because of", but "for". What for?
[OT]V.V.'s bored face up there makes me want to punch the screen.[/OT]

(Spoiler tagged because maybe some people don't want to know this soon.)

Interesting.....

Spoiler for Just in case:

Could it mean that her death was needed in the view of the Geass Cult?

Although I expected Shirley to die, I didn't expect it to happen this early.

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Lulu is not a normal guy. So he doesn't need a "normal' girl to be his LI.

Saying that you want C.C. to lose her immortality means you want her to die. I don't know why you would want that. And if Lulu wouldn't date a girl unless she is mortal, then Lulu is shallow and does not deserve her.

Lelouch isn't normal in that he has Geass, but he's still killable, hence he's human. Also, I'm pretty sure that Lelouch wouldn't want to hurt C.C. by being only a memory at the end.

Also, I believe that you're viewing me with a slight bias of "racism against immortals".

Originally Posted by yamibakura

In the most common sense killing means to end life, to take life. In code geass, VV and Charles are conspiring to kill gods. What do the gods even mean. Do they want to kill immortals? Do they want to become gods themselves? What does it mean to have power? Does having power make you a god? If we can understand these questions we might be able to discern what these gods in gode geass are and possibly even why Charles and VV are working for their destruction. Bartley even says to Cornelia about how they'll be accomplices to the biggest crime in history. He says, "If that hypothesis is correct, then we will become accomplices to the biggest crime in history..." What hypothesis? We can only guess this has something to do with the gods. And from the way Bartley talks of this as the biggest crime in history, would that make the gods (I don't want to say good) but not bad? Enough for Bartley and his research team to consider it a crime... Back to the original idea about what killing might actually mean in this context, it is hard to say anything for certain. Are we killing actual gods? Are we killing immortality? Or maybe are we killing the idea - the dream - hope itself?

Now we're getting somewhere..... Given the depth that CG goes into at times, we need to consider all opinions.

[bladeofdarkness]

and now for the big question

Spoiler for the question:

how (and by extent : who)

[zgmf-x19a]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

I don't know what to say...
This TV magazine should have waited utill next week! Or at least not give out something this big!

Spoiler for Turn 14 summary:

Spoiler for SHIRLEY:

Turn 14 - Geass Hunting
Shirley, whose fate was twisted by Geass, died for Geass.
To avenge her death, Lelouch determines to the annihilate the Geass Cult.
With the information from Rolo and Jeremiah, he found out the Cult's headquarter and rushes into it.


Shirley...
"Died for Geass" (ギアスのために) is quite strange. It's not "because of", but "for". What for?
[OT]V.V.'s bored face up there makes me want to punch the screen.[/OT]

(Spoiler tagged because maybe some people don't want to know this soon.)

Thanks for sharing this shocking spoiler
I do wonder how Lelouch managed to get information from Jeremiah though

[yamibakura]

Originally Posted by zgmf-x19a

Thanks for sharing this shocking spoiler
I do wonder how Lelouch managed to get information from Jeremiah though

A combination of the magnetic rail system(or wherever they are) forcing Jerimiah to his knees probably disrupting his focus and thus his geass cancelor enabling Lelouch to use geass on Jerimiah for 2nd time in order to find the location the cult? We will see how on Sunday.

That spoiler came way too early and for them to just come out and say something so signifigant like that. Wow.
edit: This is really some way to start off the 2nd half of the season. We're also getting new opening ending themes.

Now we're getting somewhere..... Given the depth that CG goes into at times, we need to consider all opinions.

Yes. Maybe as things move forward we'll be able to better understand these questions so that we may come to the truth. Or if the truth is left open, then we'll have to come to our own understanding. Am I being too philosophical? ^^

[v1nx]

One interesting thought:

Spoiler for for EP 14:

may be death of Shirley will cause Lelouche's Geass to become "stronger"?

[Marsala]

Originally Posted by v1nx

One interesting thought:

Spoiler for for EP 14:

may be death of Shirley will cause Lelouche's Geass to become "stronger"?

Or the other way around?

[yezhanquan]

If Shirley is murdered by Rolo, I'll scream "I know it!!"