2011-10-02, 22:00 | Link #681 |
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yeah they definitely need to expand their genre considering most of studio now capable to animate different type of genrer.
even sunrise which hailed as mainlly for mecha series capable to make some breakout hit from different genre like Cowboy Bebop, Tiger & Bunny
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2011-10-02, 23:03 | Link #683 |
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Depends on the mold. Their previous primary target audiance seems to like sexy girls (and/or moe' as well)...the varience in sexy is wide but that seems to be what sells. Nichijou's girls were (mostly) not sexy. At least not in the usual exploitable way (like say the girls from Haruhi or K-On...and certainly not like any Key girl). Lucky Star got away with it, probably because it was a heavy reference otaku comedy...and they made do with a mix of Kagami, Konata, and Tsukasa for the most part (the main variables in moe'), Miyuki being mostly ignored.
Nichijou was a wacky comedy. It didn't pander all that much to the moe' crowd (with exception of "Gundere", but that too was for comedy more than pandering) and the character design was mostly non-sexy (with a few exceptions, mostly for Sakurai-sensei and, rarely, Nano as well), so that sort of group was out. So who is left as a market if most of the buyers are in it for cute girls and sexy girls, and there is no mecha? What KyoAni did prove is that they can do just about anything when given a budget. What they couldn't prove is that people will buy anything. What is left is to see what they do for their next project after the December release of the K-On movie. Will they go with something new? An established series they've done before? Something styled like something they've done before? Will it be with Kadokawa at all? Is it Kadokawa being the problem, or KyoAni? (I seem to recall that in 2009 the calls on February 14th...the start day for Haruhi-chan being against Kadokawa for their "Nice Boat" opening delay (by about a day). Followed by serious questions to their sanity over the Endless Eight's eight weeks. While KyoAni has been classed as the 12/10 troll (nice troll, would be willing to be trolled again), Kadokawa is the 13/10 greedy troll (Wait, what? What the hell are you doing!?) and has been called on it. The question remains...what will they have KyoAni do for them next...or will KyoAni try to stick to other companies' projects?
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2011-10-03, 03:23 | Link #684 | |
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Since Nichijou was their attempt at expanding genres, they(KyoAni) will probably play it safe after the K-ON movie comes out, and we will probably see one of these three things: Little Busters, Planetarian or a new season of Haruhi. Since I have read the novels, and know what would likely be animated next if there is a new season, it would be awesome, and I am sure that it will do better than the second season. |
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2011-10-03, 06:48 | Link #685 | |
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with this they allow to gain more money from expanded audience also it make stdio fanbase to not get bored with same genre i am pretty sure Gin Tama, InuYasha, s-CRY-ed, and keroro is successful for non mecha anime that sunrise produce say what if kyoani produce mystery or horor anime. do you think it will be successful?
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2011-10-03, 07:01 | Link #686 | |
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2011-10-03, 07:12 | Link #687 | |
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I blame Nichijou's failure on Kadokawa though. KyoAni can plate any series with gold, but if the series sucks it will still suck. I think Kadokawa more than anyone was under the illusion that KyoAni was the god studio that could do anything (Nichijou and E8 are the most obvious pieces of evidence). |
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2011-10-03, 07:21 | Link #688 |
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So something like Sora no Woto or a more serious Galaxy Angel is needed.
Honestly, I don't mind either, although it's hard to go for another Sora no Woto that is not a rip-off without stretching the bounds of realism. I wonder now, which genres could KyoAni pull off decently?
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2011-10-03, 07:24 | Link #689 | |
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2011-10-03, 07:27 | Link #690 | |
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2011-10-03, 09:18 | Link #692 | |
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2. Melodrama. (Key adaptations) 3. Stereotypical shounen action (FMP, Nichijou action scenes were really well done) I would argue they can make a very high quality adaptation of anything, they just can't make miracles with sales (like every other studio probably). FMP didn't sell that well by KyoAni standards, but I think they did a much better job of FMP than GONZO did, or most studios that do prime time shounen series adapt whatever they adapt. |
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We're more talking about the anime division of things, I mean that divisions earnings was down from last year and that's after the Haruhi Bluray Boxset and Haruhi Movie sold over 2 billion yen combined... take that out of the equation.... what exactly have they got left? They're so desperate to recoup on Nichijou they bought it a prime time slot to reair in...
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Just a FYI but Cowboy Bebop is the 13th best selling TV anime in Japan... The old list. #10 Martian Successor Nadesico 37897 units #9 Dragon Ball Z 40065 units #8 Cowboy Bebop 40212 units #7 Suzumiya Haruhi 41307 units #6 Code Geass 44657 units #5 Zeta Gundam 54994 units #4 Gundam Seed 58563 units #3 Gundam Seed Destiny 69247 units #2 Mobile Suit Gundam 80928 units #1 Neon Genesis Evangelion 173458 + Somethings Top 10 from his 2000 onwards list. 01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemono gatari 02) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kido u Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny 03) *68,485 ¥2,957m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Maho u Shoujo Madoka Magica 04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kido u Senshi Gundam SEED 05) *50,551 ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch 06) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macr oss Frontier 07) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON! 08) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 09) *41,037 ¥2,091m 14 ep 2006 Kyoto Animation Kadokawa_____ Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu 10) *39,385 ¥2,888m 27 ep 2010 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!! 5 shows go above Bebop making it go from 8th to 13th. Last edited by Westlo; 2011-10-03 at 10:36. |
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2011-10-03, 10:58 | Link #694 | |
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Yeah. Moe is a genre, just like 'manly tears', 'peed in my pants', 'awesome', and 'bored out of my skull' are genres. It's not like I don't get what you mean though. |
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No, it isn't. Again, how can you downplay the impact of something that hasn't even happened yet?
You act like no movie has ever done worse than expected, or no anime has ever had disappointing sales. We both know that's entirely false. And yet you make these several months in advance predictions as though you were reading off a definitive sales sheet. It's a safe assumption that the K-On movie will do well. Anything beyond such a general assumption is presumptuous. The same sort of presumptuousness that lead to Kadokawa drastically overestimating how well Nichijou would likely sell. Quote:
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Serious question, because that does seem to be how some people talk about the two. As though KyoAni has no independence whatsoever, and has to ask "How high?" every time Kadokawa tells KyoAni to jump.
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2011-10-03, 11:25 | Link #696 |
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Well, judging by the three KyoAni adaptations I enjoyed:
1. Full Metal Panic 2. Suzumiya Haruhi (barring that absolutely horrid E8 rendition. And yes, I think KyoAni has their share of blame) 3. Nichijou Then the answer would be: action, genre-busters, or slice-of-life (or whatever other fancy definitions people use) without excessive moe. I won't mind seeing them try troll comedy though, seriously. But I thought they only do adaptations, no original works? I admit I'm not familiar with the rest of their products...
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2011-10-03, 12:09 | Link #697 | |
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The Melancholy of Haruhi-chan Suzumiya and Nyorōn Churuya-san And these two are parody manga at that. Come to think of it, it would be interesting to see Haruhi-chan's sequal, The Vanishing of Nagato Yuki chan, animated. (it is not a 4-koma like the other two are, and is more a romance comedy). On the subject of K-On's movie...how many times has it sold out already? It isn't even in theaters yet. So it has already made money.
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