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Regardless of the method Kakashi used, I have little reason to believe Kakashi's Mangekyou is something different. The eye changes shape and gives him wacky powers beyond the regular "Abnormal Attention To Detail With Photographic Memory And Hypnotic Abilities". I mean, it fits the description doesn't it? |
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2012-07-20, 12:15 | Link #102 |
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Kakashi's eye is definitely MS. He called it that when he used it the first time. The reason he knows about it is because itachi used it on him when he performed tsukiomi on him. the retcon of itachi being a good guy takes that scene into consideration because even though he hurt kakashi, he also let him in on the secret of MS and that there was an evolution of sharingan he could strive for. saying its not MS, but an evolved sharingan is kinda pointless since MS is an evolved sharingan like Dengar pointed out.
also, my understanding is that more uchiha didn't have MS because it requires a latent ability of the user's own talent. not just any sharingan can become MS, only the elite Uchiha can do it. my hunch is that kakashi was able to acheive MS not just because of his own training, but because Obito had that latent talent. he was just a goof off and didnt train nor have the mental acumen of the elite ninja up to and during kakashi gaiden to showcase his true potential |
2012-07-20, 13:29 | Link #103 |
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In this chapter Tobi states that Kakashi "lived a life of regret". When you kill your best friend you regret it. This "life of regret" may be what allowed Kakashi to unlock it. Kakashi probably blames himself that he couldn't save his father, his sensei, Obito and Rin. And also Sasuke, since he was Sasuke's sensei.
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2012-07-20, 17:22 | Link #104 |
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"Regret" actually sounds a lot better than "Ultimate Sorrow" which is still rather vague.
It might even account Sasuke awakening his Mangekyou only after hearing the truth about his brother. This is of course purely theoretical. |
2012-07-21, 03:40 | Link #105 |
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We're finally see tobi's face since naruto will smash it
Also why didn't tobi summoned the ten tails earlier he could've won the war. Also tobi knew about kakashi so he's definitely someone from konoha maybe an anbu?
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2012-07-21, 03:47 | Link #106 |
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^ Seriously I want like, a quarter for every single time somebody asks "Why didn't he summon the ten tails earlier?". I'd be a billionnaire by now. If you want possible answers, read the rest of the topic, I don't feel like repeating myself.
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2012-07-21, 06:13 | Link #107 |
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are we really nearing the end??? just when I'm curious with what's going to happen with Sasuke, they switch back to Naruto's battle...
that infinite tsukuyomi is understandable plot.... now what's left is Tobi's real identity.... Madara's younger brother??? Uchiha Shisui??? I can't think of anyone right now... >.< and I agree with Dengar.... Actually he can summon ten tails from the start.... or maybe he actually want to try to devour hachibi and kyuubi?? when he knows he can't, he switch back to his original plan?? |
2012-07-21, 15:16 | Link #109 | |
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2012-07-22, 04:45 | Link #110 | |
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i'm more inclined to believe that obito is closely related to madara given the similarity between kakashi's and tobi's MS techniques. it makes sense in obito theory as well since madara would have had to know that obito had that latent ability before he chose him as a vessel. |
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2012-07-22, 09:36 | Link #112 |
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The problem with Tobi being the spirit of Madara within Obito isn't one of feasibility (just think of Orochimaru's revival last week).
No, the problem is that Tobi says he's nobody, doesn't have the same personality nor the same technique and fighting style and nor does he share the same knowledge than Madara (Edo Tensei). |
2012-07-22, 10:12 | Link #114 |
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Regardless of death the fact remain that Orochimaru's mind(s) "live" within the hosts regardless of what happens to his "original" form. Thinks Kushina and Minato as well, Kushina died and yet her spirit was sealed inside Naruto while Minato's soul was sealed inside the Shinigami and yet still managed to seal himself (or part of himself, or his mind or however it works) inside Naruto as well.
There is many ways for Tobi to "be" Madara or to be convinced to be Madara (Genjutsu imprinted personality/memory for example) but the fact is that they seem to be nothing alike. |
2012-07-22, 11:54 | Link #116 |
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I don't see why Kushina couldn't be revived as an Edo and Minato's soul being trapped in the Shinigami has nothing to do with the fact that he also sealed his mind in Naruto at the same time so I fail to understand the point you were trying to make.
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2012-07-22, 13:16 | Link #118 |
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I wonder if the truth that sasuke is looking for will relate everyone somehow ( edo-madara, Tobi, and Orochimaru) It just seems to me that kishi is completing a circle of powerful yet mysterious villains. Does anyone get the same impression?
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2012-07-22, 13:44 | Link #119 |
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Well, I'll admit the Kushina part is only conjecture, but I got the impression that her soul didn't pass on (yet). And Edo Tensei calls back the spirit from beyond.
Other than that, I fail to see how Madara can be in two places at once. |
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