Regios - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Ultramarinus]

Originally Posted by Lunarwitch

as the masked man said, he became like that, because he went outside the air filters without protection, because of his sense of smell for the filth monsters, his own sacrifice. Felli dose not process this gift, why should she, and also in episode 18 she was told not to use her psychokinesis powers, yet still she wanted to do this for Layfon, defying her brother knowing this could harm her, that was her sacrifice. In her own way she is doing what she feels is right and it's not a confession of love because she cannot put that feeling into words yet.

Shneibel the main electronic fairy sacrificed herself, that then stopped the whole city moving, doing this put everybody in side that city at risk, besides Nina didn't have to save that newborn fairy, as they were obsessively cloned. As the man said Shneibel was the only city that copied fairies.

What I was trying to tell was this: He had a unique, important power. He didn't back down, he didn't hesitate to use it. He didn't avoid his duty. Unlike Felli who tries to run away with any means possible. That's why the argument claiming she's self-centered due to her power doesn't make any sense. There are other people in her boots and they don't act like her.

Her love also looks like self-interest, she accused him before with being 'too kind-hearted'. Layfon's sake or for her hormones' sake, I cannot tell. And sacrifice requires actual damage to self, it doesn't happen when you just offer it. She proposed something that Layfon wouldn't accept and she got out of the ordeal losing nothing. Counting monster scales isn't really the same as getting impaled by a rod either.

Well, people are getting produced every day all over the world, but you wouldn't turn your head when you see one getting abducted. A kid doing that and going against an adult is certainly not ordinary. And it's not like Nina jumped off to death to put the city into risk either. The thief made her fall.

Originally Posted by Narona

I didn't say anything about Felli. I wasn't doing any comparison. I don't post to try to prove that felli is better. I just point out what I feel about Nina. Nina felt weak in comparison to Layfon. And she was not even the strongest of Zelluni military artist (she was defeated by this tall guy when Layfon was still recovering at the hospital).

Yes, getting the goat wasn't her choice, but that's not Nina that I blame, but the plot. To make her stronger, the author chose to give her an external power. I dislike that, that makes her feel so weak to me. This is my right, right? I should have preferred her to become the strongest military artist by her own training.

About Layfon, I still think he doesn't use any special artefacts and stuff.

I disagree and want to tell you why:

- Layton does his thing, helps people, receives a setback, (exile) he goes into emo comatose. He begins searching for a new path, but stays clueless until someone pulls him into a path.

- Nina does her thing, receives a setback (losing city match barely) but that only fuels her dedication. Enter the lazy bums platoon. She still stays motivated. (to be honest, I felt exhausted watching Sharnid & Felli trying to skip training etc) Several more setbacks here and there, she just keeps going, trying to adapt herself to the limit her personality allows.

Now this is what I mean with strength, it's not about Kei power, telepathy and cutting dragons in half. As for power, Layfon remains supreme naturally. BTW, that tall guy leads the whole military artist platoons and the strongest platoon, it's not like he's a wimp.

Yeah of course and I understand and feel similar. But with Savaris wanting the goat for himself, I don't know how things will go. Maybe they won't even have Nina use the goat's powers? But yes, I'd like her to be strong without shortcut as well.

And yeah, Layfon don't have any artifacts but it feels like he has an extraordinary power. Maybe his dad was Zeus or something, you know the limitless amounts of ways to inject god-mode into characters in anime. Since the Queen searches, rather than train HB members, there may be a certain pre-determined extraordinary condition on the people they enlist.

Originally Posted by TrueKnight

Felli already grew as a character where she's willing to support her team, she participated in battle even without Layfon's presence in ep 16 and gave her support. Granted, they lost but the 17s were fighting against the ace of Zuellni that is the 1st platoon.

As for HBs I think they were born with their powers and you just couldnt simply obtain them through training. When Nina was still at her reckless self from ep 1 till 7 she trains like crazy but then realized she won't be able to reach Layfon's level no matter how hard she tried.

It looked like she was merely putting on an act to impress Layfon. As I said before, we should probably see her true colors after 'the hug'. I'm not betting on either but she makes me feel that way due to her "if it's you, it's ok onii-cha.." ehem, "Layfon" mindset.

Agreed on HB powers.

[Lunarwitch]

Originally Posted by Ultramarinus

Well, people are getting produced every day all over the world, but you wouldn't turn your head when you see one getting abducted. A kid doing that and going against an adult is certainly not ordinary. And it's not like Nina jumped off to death to put the city into risk either. The thief made her fall.

Wow i did not realized i was living in such a man made factory, i thought it took nine months for someone to give birth to a baby, they are not being produced like the fairy's, that they copy. No she didn't jump herself, it just happen that way.

Who is saying felli's love is all one sided, it looks to me that she can not understand her feelings herself, because till now, she never had any, this could explain why she is the way, she is now. After all girls are not as strong as boys. Nina's trying to be as strong as Layfon is just impossible, all she can do is moan and stating she hated him after finding out what he did in the past. also when was it that all the girls had to go and fight a war? if that was the case most of us would not be here today.

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by Lunarwitch

Wow i did not realized i was living in such a man made factory, i thought it took nine months for someone to give birth to a baby, they are not being produced like the fairy's, that they copy. No she didn't jump herself, it just happen that way.

Well babies are delivered each day and its certainly not an uncommon occurrence. Just because a baby takes nine months doesn't mean the value of it's life is any more or less. If a baby is clone then does that mean it's life holds less values than one born "naturally"? You seem to want to downplay what Nina did. It doesn't matter if the fairies are cloned or not as they are alive so valuing their lives any less doesn't make any sense to me. Unless you're trying to imply that fairies lives in general don't mean anything?

Who is saying felli's love is all one sided, it looks to me that she can not understand her feelings herself, because till now, she never had any, this could explain why she is the way, she is now. After all girls are not as strong as boys. Nina's trying to be as strong as Layfon is just impossible, all she can do is moan and stating she hated him after finding out what he did in the past. also when was it that all the girls had to go and fight a war? if that was the case most of us would not be here today.

I'll certainly say her love is one-sided. She got rejected last episode and only has more waiting for her in the future if she continues to pursue him. Nina tries her hardest no matter what others think off her or what obstacles get in her way. That's why I like about her. She doesn't let stereotypes stop her. You may be right but "after all girls aren't as smart as boys" either. Or at least that what some might want us to believe.

[addict2anime]

Hey i'm a girl and I think that girls are actually smarter but thats besides the point. Felli wasn't exactly rejected... for all we kno fon fon didn't want her to get hurt... Fon fon hasn't caused Felli to disappear the way he kinda indrectly made Nina dispappear for a while... I think we all realize by now that Nina only uses her guts to take action its all instinct... while if Felli actually does take action she actually uses her brain unlike the rest of the dam characters.

[willyvereb]

It's just that in CSR not everyone born super genius at training. It's ridiculous that almost in every fighting shonen the characters learning an extra skill in a matter of weeks(if not shorter). In CSR we have Layfon the ultimate fighting genius who don't need any kind of training. Felli who already bron strong relucant to use her powers. And at last Nina who's a promising talent, but seemingly nothing extreme she has an almost unshakeable will and determination, but perhaps in real world it's not even nearly enough to reach Layfon's level. The Haikizokou possession a whole lot better choice as power up than the classical legendary mentor, mad sel-training, sudden revelation or anything classical Shounen power up. It has it's own drawbacks, a plot connected to it and it's absolutely not purely just a benefit to her.
Actually Nina was(and is) usefull in the platoon too. She made the tacrtics and strategies at fights and as an extra she's "Layfon's handler".

[manga852]

not sure id call a person who's trying to find their own path in life self centered i think that's just being human at least one that likes to exercise their freedoms, if felli seem self centered the its nothing more than the tsund vibe.

[willyvereb]

Well...everyone wants to find their own way of life, but somone must consider the others...if she posesses a great power then it's selfishness to not use it for others. Felli hardly knows anything she could do except the work of a psychokinetist. Luckyly Layfon turns her to the good way.

[TrueKnight]

^ Well it depends. Does CSR world actually appreciates socialist, capitalist, individualist, or mixed and do they recognize freedom of right? In a no man's land like Regios' world each or either way could apply though. >_>

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by addict2anime

Hey i'm a girl and I think that girls are actually smarter but thats besides the point. Felli wasn't exactly rejected... for all we kno fon fon didn't want her to get hurt... Fon fon hasn't caused Felli to disappear the way he kinda indrectly made Nina dispappear for a while... I think we all realize by now that Nina only uses her guts to take action its all instinct... while if Felli actually does take action she actually uses her brain unlike the rest of the dam characters.

A Felli and Layfon pairing just isn't going to happen. She's been the most forward but in the end he's still much more closer to Nina in all the ways that matter. Her part in this story is just for angst. She's just not his type. What is his type? Isn't obvious?

Spoiler for Layfon's secret:

That's right! He's an assman! I can certainly tell my own kind apart. This is a lost battle for our poor little underdeveloped Felli.

She uses her brain? I think has actions are more dictated by a much lower body part. She'll just need to scratch that itch herself because Layfon isn't interested.

All I see Felli as is the sacrificial lamb to be offered up at the altar of unrequited love for my viewing pleasure. I like tragedy so I'll be enjoy the experience but others might feel more sad for her, either way her purpose in the show will be fulfilled.

[zibi88]

Anyway Nina was weak !! I mean she was not able to hold the goat power by herself...... little fairy Zerenii was holding that control of the haikizoku for Nina... yet she reached her limit and so Nina was about to get consumed by goat-chan.... Nina was not capable of holding haikizoku in her body............ the only reason she is stable now is becouse of LEERIN !! and her useing Saya's power (dont know if it has risk's on her own body) to calm down that haikizoku

Leerin is stronger becouse she is holding the whole spirit orgin.... the most powerfull spirit in existance in her body..... and thx to Leerin alone Nina was not consumed by goat-chan........ so I personaly hope she will at least thank her if they meet at Zerenii.......and not go around the city proud that she was so strong able to keep up the goat in cheeck (that would make her selfish bit.....)

but seriously Nina's power up is kinda hmmm off here... she done nothing to gain it.... and even stabilazing was not her own work at all (but first zerenii and later completly leerin with sayas power) while Layfon was training his ass off from very yougn age and to gain that power he stopped thinking about himself as a human... he is thinking about himself as a monster and that is a little cruel reality he abondoned the thinking that he is human in order to gain power throught hard work.... and nina done nothing and becouse she was jelous of Layfons trained power she got an power up for free without doing a shit about trying to control it by her own will (gain power for free without doing anything.... gain control of the haikizoku in her body for free with leerins help....)

Anyway I dont like situations where a character gets a power up out from ass... without doing a shit about it....... if somone is training himself and is only focused on it and so in that way he gets better control over new skills than its ok (even Felli trys to gain better control over her powers and gains motivation for trying harder becouse of Layfons influance......... but nina got just jelous of Layfons power [not knowing what hell he had to go throught to gain it] and that was her main objective to reach layfon from pure jelousy and anger [why he is so strong and im so weak attitude] )

And well that last line kinda confirms even Leerin herself.....I mean Leerin was the one that teached to Nina that the person [in reality Layfon but she doesnt know about it for now] is trying his hardest to make other peoples smiles on their face's yet Nina was the only one that was jelous and didnt understand Layfon at all.... was still sulky, angry, with jelous eyes when she sees how strong he is..... and that made Layfon sad [he is trying his best but in the end he makes nina sad].......... so Nina is worse than a child >__< she cant understand the surroundings by her own... and others need to teach her stuff she should know about it (damn Layfon and Leerin are 15years old... while Nina is 18 or 19 years olf...... so those kids are teaching Nina their sempai about things >__< )


Anyway I cant wait for the moment of Leerin and Layfon reunion... (and face expressions of other girls for that scene :P) the same cant wait for Leerin learning that Nina is in Layfons squad and so the person she was talking about back then was Layfon :P (here both will learn that they are rivals over Layfon ^^) anyway I hope Layfon will end up with Leerin she done way more for Layfon (and for Nina too...) than Nina [all she did was beign angry for him becouse of her weak understand ability] ^^

I wonder if there is a picture in novel that shows that weapon that leerin is bringing to Layfon.... I know its mostly a katana-like dite since its from psyharden skills but I wonder about the look...

[willyvereb]

Weak? Actually even amongst the HB recievers there's only a few who can contain a Haikizokou and supress it's will(perhaps they can resist fairly well...as it happened with Layfon. That's why the goat choose another target).
Leerin is holding in a spirit too. But that spirit not even have the intention to possess/control her and she rarely shows herself(Leerin wasn't aware of her for 15 years!). A Haikizokou is an angry and powerfull spirit that possesses and uses peoples as mere vessels to accomplish it's revenge. So Saya and the Goat is totally different.
As i said CSR's plot more real. You can't contain something so powerfull as the Haikizokou with mere willpower. Zuellni guided Nina there to ask help from Saya. And that shitty training meme again. Do you realise that you can't get better in a short time with just purely training? Nina improved a LOT compared to her old self at Ep 1(even Dixerio aknownledges that...our all-knowingly Dixerio). Perhaps she still unable to do the impossible. That's why many people hates Nina. They're stating their faulty inhuman standards of the classic fighting shonen mangas for her( Where one year worth of training improves your power level by ten times!)
I know many people wants stories full of untouchable perfect HEROES, but CSR is far from that kind of story. Nina is a prime example for that.

[hope assasin]

Weak? Actually even amongst the HB recievers there's only a few who can contain a Haikizokou and supress it's will

Where that information comes from ?

[MUAHAHAHAHAHA]

Just finished watching this episode and I must say this episode made me LOL so hard. The reunion scene is done so dramatically and the somewhat corny background music had me rolling on the floor laughing. I think I watched that part for like dozens of times. I could not care less about the pairings in this show, because I am watching it for the sole purpose of action. But if Layfon hook up with someone, that would be good too. Be it a girl, girls or certain guys, I wish him all the best.

That scene will keep this thread and the other thread busy for a while.

[willyvereb]

The thing that even Layfon gone berserk thanks to the Haikizokou...Light Novels. The Haikizokou has an extremely strong willpower and a power that only comparable to a HB reciever. Raw Power alone or Willpower alone not enough for it. Nina lacks at raw power while Layfon at willpower.

[hope assasin]

sorry i don't now this detail i read novel only to 5 ch

[blewin]

Originally Posted by Chinatsu-no-miya

Just finished watching this episode and I must say this episode made me LOL so hard. The reunion scene is done so dramatically and the somewhat corny background music had me rolling on the floor laughing. I think I watched that part for like dozens of times. I could not care less about the pairings in this show, because I am watching it for the sole purpose of action. But if Layfon hook up with someone, that would be good too. Be it a girl, girls or certain guys, I wish him all the best.

That scene will keep this thread and the other thread busy for a while.

lol, it was pretty much an overkill for that scene to be made with flower petals - ok, Layfon's weapon that spreads out and down like flower petals or threads of beautiful light - around a globe of light (hang on, now that reminds me, it's a PINK globe of light. Adds to the romantic element, doesn't it?).

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

I don't want another fight like the Ranka vs Sheryl , Haruka vs Mitsuki, Noe vs Hiromi one or anything other

But Felli wouldn't be comparable to either one of them... she would be the Brera, Akane or Aiko of the series *whistles*

[Ultramarinus]

Willy and Rick gave very good replies, so I'm not repeating mostly the same things. But a couple of things I should add.

@Lunarwitch:

Fairies for all that can be discerned, look like they're very much alive beings. Also they're the lifeline for remaining humans. The series pretty much revolves around saving, protecting or finding them. Also the installed 'womb' by all means doesn't sound like a mere replicator. So I have to say you're just speculating something which a kid at that age wouldn't know anyway.

This is a work of fiction, what's more, it's a fantasy world. Sorry but there's no racial supremacy there. For all that matters, a girl can lift a mountain if it's given an explanation. There's something called Kei here. After all, in real world, silver haired guys cannot take out elephant sized animals with a mere punch. There's nothing to say that Nina cannot be the most powerful entity of the story if given a logical reason.

@addict2anime:
Her advances were flat out rejected, not that I really care but it's the truth. Nina is a tactician and squad leader, which is a pretty intelligence-requiring position that cannot be handled by the grunts. Felli on the other hand is driven solely by her crush and acts based on emotions like laziness, irresponsibility and self-centrism. Anything good she tries to do is to get on Layfon's good side.

@Trueknight:
Military service doesn't look like forced recruitment but we saw the lengths that can be gone like the president. It's a dog-eat-dog world and personal freedom probably can be bent if required.

@zibi88:
Sorry but a bit too much altering the facts there to fuel your post. Let's start:

- As said above, the haikizoku will drive the person in it crazy over time. We saw how Dinn got wasted by it pretty much instantly. It's kind of like the Venom symbiotic alien from Spider-man, it has its own will and consume yours.

- Yeah, Leerin has a power because the writer just told she had. How interesting.. Power =/= strength. Birth given powers by themselves show no strength of the character. IF the character trains hard to utilize their full potential, then that's something else.

- Uh, I guess you totally forgot about like, 19 episodes? Nina's the most hard-working character of the series along with Layfon. And she didn't have the haikizoku possess her by her own will, the goat went ahead and did it himself.

- As for the 'power-up from ass' comment, Felli is the last person to be commended on that respect. Has god-mode from birth and still refrains from using it just because she wants to go play around. If she demonstrates her full potential, she will have to work, like you know, normal people. Oh, the poor princess..

- The jealousy thing, that's something I really cannot understand. Say, do you people get jealous when you see your close buddy using a cool gadget, find a good job or a love partner? When you want to get those with your own effort, hurting nobody else, would that be called jealousy? Nina saw her friend strong and she wanted to get stronger, so that she can keep up. It's obvious that such a power gap would cause troubles in a squad, it's like placing Solid Snake into a newbie squad. The rest needs to get better and Nina also begins taking advice from Layfon on that, instead of rejecting. So she's not acting out of pride or jealousy.

- Nina was upset because Layfon didn't use god-mode when people were fighting for their lives around him. He rather offered to crawl into some hole to hide. Got a good rebuttal from Nina and got his act together later. If I were Nina, I'd give him a good punch on ep 5. They're not playing paintball there.

[willyvereb]

Originally Posted by Westlo

But Felli wouldn't be comparable to either one of them... she would be the Brera, Akane or Aiko of the series *whistles*

That pretty harsh!
You mean Felli has no chance from the beginning and she remains the eternal Dark Horse?Cause everyone(maybe except Brera, who got a real chance until the siblings thing) is that cathegory. I hope she don't fall to the level of Tatsuki Arisawa(the only side character at "main romance" i can think of in Bleach. She's pretty much forgotten)

[Ultramarinus]

Tatsuki is probably Chekhov's gunman and is actually fun to watch.