Even if Moka's rosary is removed, there is still a seal on her, and that may be the parts built into the collar that its all attached to. This is also apparent when Fong fong noted the "creak" or whatever it was during Ura Moka's day out. So it may be a large part of the seal that the rosary is, but it's not the whole seal, otherwise they wouldn't be worrying about it as much, because the whole thing would be getting put on and taken off at will.
So Akasha may have been pretty smart in handling the seal and maybe modified it a little to help seal those tragic memories. Trauma like that would certainly do a lot to split one's personality, and this event was probably the one that did the job. There may have been room in the Rosary seal to add more features since it's a limiter, so there are probably a few tricks tied in there that make Moka as we know her today.
But one must beware, now that Tsukune and them have seen this, you better believe that they'll take offense to Akua's presence. For Tsukune to even surprise Akua by addressing her informally, and with hostility, and maybe even to rattle off the events like he was there, even though Akua would know that he was not. This would probably work to temporarily throw off Akua's attention while Moka goes around for the kill, while Tsukune and them keep the opposition's attention. It's a good plan, but I doubt it will play out like that.
But this also may put the Wongs in Tsukune and company's debt, instead of like it was earlier. After all, they defend the Wongs from the Miu and Akua (whom would represent Fairy Tale), and if they defeat them, then the Wongs would need to pay back the favor, but may also officially back up Tsukune and them later in the series.
So many little things can fall in to place to Tsukune's advantage here, if the cards are played right.
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Well, I think that things might get even more complicated then that, since from the looks of it ... strong emotions cause the Shinso blood to awaken, and well if Tsukune's emotions run too high, it might cause the Shinso blood inside him ... and I doubt that Tsukune is currently able to take control over the full extent of his Shinso vampire blood.
Will see how the situation plays out, but I think GrrDraxin, that the situation in the fight between the present day Akuha and Moka could probably quickly become even more complicated ... since if Tsukune's Shinso blood awakens ... they would probably need to seal him again, since I doubt the Holy Lock could survive through the awakening of a Shinso vampire ... and if his power's are going to be released, Tsukune would probably need a new seal being made for him immediately, or at least he would need to be stoped, before the vampire blood in Tsukune's body consumes him.
So things could quickly get messy, unless Tsukune is able to control himself ... after his Shinso vampire blood awakens, but that seems a bit unlikely in my opinion.
I agree that Moka's seal isn't just the Rosary that Moka, wears ... if you have any doubt's, here is how Moka's seal looks like, before Moka has put in on (Rosario + Vampire II,chapter 31,page 29 ), and you can definitely see that the choker is a part of Moka's seal as well ... so to me you're theory GrrDraxin sounds very plausible.
um u need to not yell no need to get mad ok im just a kid plz and im trying to make somethin good out of all this Bad! ok moka saw her mom get cut in half yes but i love rosario and vampire a lot but it is just a cartoon so no need to yell
um u need to not yell no need to get mad ok im just a kid plz and im trying to make somethin good out of all this Bad! ok moka saw her mom get cut in half yes but i love rosario and vampire a lot but it is just a cartoon so no need to yell
use spoilers pls, not everyone here reads the raws
Thinking about it ... maybe the reason why Akasha was defeated so easily by Akuha ... was because she was holding back.
I mean judging from the last page of chapter 32 ... Moka releasing the full extent of her Shinso abilities ... probably caused Alucard to revive from his apparent death, so maybe Akasha was holding back against Akuha, because she probably knew that releasing the full extent of her abilities would cause Alucard to revive ... and now after Alucard is starting to awaken, because of Moka releasing the full extent of her power's ... Akasha has no reason to hold herself back.
So taking into consideration, that what she has displayed during her brief fight with Akasha, weren't her full capabilities ... I think that there is still a chance that she will be able to regenerate from her injury ... though doing something like that ... is probably going to take most of the youkai energy Akasha has at her disposal ... so after healing, she will have no other choice, but to flee ... and Akasha will probably take Moka along with her, sealing Moka's memories along the way ... and probably leave her somewhere in the human world, which later caused Moka to be admitted into Youkai Gauken and meeting up with Tsukune ... and after leaving Moka behind .. with most of Moka's childhood memories being sealed, Akasha has probably hid somewhere, to recover from her injuries, so that in the future she would be ready to face against Alucard again, since I doubt it's something that Akasha would want Moka's shoulder's to be burdened with.
Yeah, she was definetly holding back judging from the raws, like Omote (Outer Moka) she has a kind heart, and did not wish the hurt Akuha, theirs definetly more then meets the eye from our point of view.
If little Moka releasing was enough to jolt a 'dead' Alucard, how much more so would Akasha's power release have woken him up? And she's the one who arguably caused his currently 'dead' status.
But with that said, we have never seen Akuha displaying a power release of any kind of her own. :eyetwitch: This worries me for some reason...
Thinking about it ... and looking after some of the previous chapter's again ... I don't think that only seeing her mother be terribly injured (since Akasha might still recover from this) probably caused Moka's personality change, I don't think it's something that caused Moka's personality be split. I mean if seeing Akasha dieing caused Moka's personality to be split up ... then we wouldn't have such a problem with Moka's seal weakening, since Outer Moka would be able to survive this somehow.
Unfortunately it has been implied in the manga already that Outer Moka would disappear without the seal working properly (Rosario + Vampire II, chapter 27, page 4), which means that it's still the Rosario that caused Moka's personality to be split up. The reason why Inner Moka is such a different character then Outer Moka, is probably because the personality of Inner Moka, has been probably largely influenced by the Shinso blood flowing in her veins ... and with the Shinso blood being flirted out by the power of Moka's Rosario, causing Moka's personality to revert back to how Moka was behaving, before this whole mess with Akuha has broken out.
While, I still am wondering about the more detailed explanation of this, since there are a still some things related to Moka's seal that we still don't know about ... I think that, it could mean that along with Moka's memories regarding the events that happened between Moka and Akuha, the Rosario also seals the Shinso blood that is flowing in Moka's veins.
Another thing that I wonder about ... is what kind of effect, seeing Moka's memories, will have on Tsukune, especially seeing Moka releasing the full extent of her power's ?
I mean seeing Moka going all out ... should give Tsukune some kind of idea, about how powerful he might become ... though it could also result in Tsukune having another depression fit, because he isn't as strong as her .. yet.
I mean it's important to see ... what kind of reaction Tsukune is going to have, after seeing Moka going all out against her own sister ... since it could give us a hint on how the fight between the current Moka and Akuha might proceed ... and judging from what we have seen so far, the present day confrontation between Moka and Akuha is probably going to be a hell of a fight.
Ah, I go away for a few hours and suddenly my post and the idea of the rosario being a 'Shinso-filter' seems to have taken off...awesome haha
Cyberdemon certainly seems to have said a lot of things that go almost directly with my post or what I've implied...gotta love fun conversation
I'm also very interested to see how Tsukune reacts to Akuha, after all consider what Inner/Shinso Moka said...she at least used to be an extremely merciless fighter...would this not parallel with the flicker of personality we saw from Tsukune's Ghoul aspect when it killed the centipede monster guy? (Which if I remember right was something along the lines of 'the idea of hurting my friends is unforgivable, now you die', Moka's started off as a vampire however though, which would explain why her Shinso aspect is closer to her real personality, she's grown up with it). There do seem to be some definate implied parallels between what has happened to Moka, and what is happening to Tsukune.
It was also implied at the birthday party that Moka's real power was only just starting to unleash itself, as she had hit the age where she would begin to become an adult; which could be taken as Moka's shinso blood only just beginning to awaken as she ages.
I'm also slightly worried that when Tsukune meets Akuha, we may well see a resurgence of that cold-blooded aspect of his personality (remember none of his friends saw that), he loves and adores Moka, not only will Moka be pissed, I think Tsukune may well have a 'gloves coming off'/'glowing eyes of doom' moment. Tsukune has a lot more control over his vampiric side now, and is potentially a lot stronger than he was back then, but I can feel some strong rage in the making from both Tsukune and Moka, which may see Moka hitting a BSOD sometime soon, and both of them gaining a few levels in Badass, its about time really as both Moka and Tsukune have been stasis in terms of progression for a while now in terms of power, and Moka hasn't really had a power up yet...she may be about due for one, as I think she's the only one of the main bunch that hasn't.
Akuha is probably prepared for Moka, but Tsukune may blindside her a bit, he's already been shown as potentially *physically* stronger than Moka.
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I really don't mind if both Tsukune and Moka will attack Akuha in the real world, but somehow I don't see them winning right now...
Considering that Akuha already saw in the past what an angry Moka can do, she might have come up with some plan. I doubt that she would come after Moka/Tsukune just like that. She is older now and is the leader.
Ah, I go away for a few hours and suddenly my post and the idea of the rosario being a 'Shinso-filter' seems to have taken off...awesome haha
Cyberdemon certainly seems to have said a lot of things that go almost directly with my post or what I've implied...gotta love fun conversation
I'm also very interested to see how Tsukune reacts to Akuha, after all consider what Inner/Shinso Moka said...she at least used to be an extremely merciless fighter...would this not parallel with the flicker of personality we saw from Tsukune's Ghoul aspect when it killed the centipede monster guy? (Which if I remember right was something along the lines of 'the idea of hurting my friends is unforgivable, now you die', Moka's started off as a vampire however though, which would explain why her Shinso aspect is closer to her real personality, she's grown up with it). There do seem to be some definate implied parallels between what has happened to Moka, and what is happening to Tsukune.
It was also implied at the birthday party that Moka's real power was only just starting to unleash itself, as she had hit the age where she would begin to become an adult; which could be taken as Moka's shinso blood only just beginning to awaken as she ages.
I'm also slightly worried that when Tsukune meets Akuha, we may well see a resurgence of that cold-blooded aspect of his personality (remember none of his friends saw that), he loves and adores Moka, not only will Moka be pissed, I think Tsukune may well have a 'gloves coming off'/'glowing eyes of doom' moment. Tsukune has a lot more control over his vampiric side now, and is potentially a lot stronger than he was back then, but I can feel some strong rage in the making from both Tsukune and Moka, which may see Moka hitting a BSOD sometime soon, and both of them gaining a few levels in Badass, its about time really as both Moka and Tsukune have been stasis in terms of progression for a while now in terms of power, and Moka hasn't really had a power up yet...she may be about due for one, as I think she's the only one of the main bunch that hasn't.
Akuha is probably prepared for Moka, but Tsukune may blindside her a bit, he's already been shown as potentially *physically* stronger than Moka.
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Well Tyranuus, I agree that Tsukune might not be something that Akuha is going to expect.
On the matter of power-ups, well I agree that Inner Moka is due for one as well, but considering that she's the most powerful person, out of the whole Newspaper club ... I think it's understandable why she hasn't gotten some kind of power up yet, since it would make her two overpowered against enemies that she was faced against so far. So it was pretty rational, in my opinion, for Inner Moka to not get any power up till now ... and was actually better for the stories development, since it has given the other character's ... that are still weaker compared to Inner Moka, moments to shine.
Of course at this point of time, with the enemies getting stronger ... I agree that it's finally the time for Inner Moka to gain some sort of power up.
On the matter of Tsukune's and Moka's development ... well I agree that there are parallels between his and Moka's development, though because Tsukune was a human at the beginning ... he's personality is probably not so close to the power's and nature of a Shinso vampire, which causes Tsukune to have Ghoul like outbursts (becoming a violent berserker bent on getting blood and killing everything that moves) ... when his vampire power's go out of control.
I also don't believe that the Shinso aspects of Moka's vampire blood have awakened already, because Tsukune still has his Holy Lock that seals the vampire blood inside his body ... and probably can't contain the full extent of the power of a Shinso vampire, which actually made me think that this might be something that happens to him, when he meets with the present day Akuha.
I mean seeing from what has happened to the little Moka, I think we can say ... that emotions probably play an important role in awakening the Shinso vampire blood, which made me think that Tsukune, after seeing the current day Akuha, might enter a similar "vampire fit" as what Moka went through ... once she saw Akuha ... slashing her mother in half, right in front of her eyes.
Of course ... in Tsukune's case, going through something like this, might be more dangerous to his mental state ... and he might need Tohou Fuhai's assistance afterwards, but still it might give Tsukune some kind of power up as well.
Well, will probably know more, about how the fight against the current day Akuha might look like, but I definitely agree with you tyranuus that both Tsukune and Moka would probably be pretty pissed off at Akuha ... which will result in them getting some kind of development's during this fight and as a result both off them will become stronger.
I really don't mind if both Tsukune and Moka will attack Akuha in the real world, but somehow I don't see them winning right now...
Considering that Akuha already saw in the past what an angry Moka can do, she might have come up with some plan. I doubt that she would come after Moka/Tsukune just like that. She is older now and is the leader.
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It's true Akuha is likely at least prepared mentally, and has trained in order to have a chance against the power Moka has shown, BUT Tsukune is a bit of a wildcard; does she know about him, how powerful he is, or exactly how far he has progressed.
If indeed he reverts to the cold-blooded form he exhibited against Centipede boy, but with the added effectiveness of now being able to manipulate his Youki to at least a moderate level, sense incoming attacks, and martial arts on top, then suddenly he may tip the scales again.
Remeber it was the interference of another that appears to have allowed an other to get a one up on Akasha, wouldn't it be poetic justic if Tsukune effectively reverse this scenario back on Akuha, by suddenly being a lot stronger than she expected. FT are aware of Tsukune to some extent, but its been a while since they've seen him, and he's certainly quite a bit stronger now than he used to be
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Well Tyranuus, I agree that Tsukune might not be something that Akuha is going to expect.
On the matter of power-ups, well I agree that Inner Moka is due for one as well, but considering that she's the most powerful person, out of the whole Newspaper club ... I think it's understandable why she hasn't gotten some kind of power up yet, since it would make her two overpowered against enemies that she was faced against so far. So it was pretty rational, in my opinion, for Inner Moka to not get any power up till now ... and was actually better for the stories development, since it has given the other character's ... that are still weaker compared to Inner Moka, moments to shine.
Of course at this point of time, with the enemies getting stronger ... I agree that it's finally the time for Inner Moka to gain some sort of power up.
On the matter of Tsukune's and Moka's development ... well I agree that there are parallels between his and Moka's development, though because Tsukune was a human at the beginning ... he's personality is probably not so close to the power's and nature of a Shinso vampire, which causes Tsukune to have Ghoul like outbursts (becoming a violent berserker bent on getting blood and killing everything that moves) ... when his vampire power's go out of control.
I also don't believe that the Shinso aspects of Moka's vampire blood have awakened already, because Tsukune still has his Holy Lock that seals the vampire blood inside his body ... and probably can't contain the full extent of the power of a Shinso vampire, which actually made me think that this might be something that happens to him, when he meets with the present day Akuha.
I mean seeing from what has happened to the little Moka, I think we can say ... that emotions probably play an important role in awakening the Shinso vampire blood, which made me think that Tsukune, after seeing the current day Akuha, might enter a similar "vampire fit" as what Moka went through ... once she saw Akuha ... slashing her mother in half, right in front of her eyes.
Of course ... in Tsukune's case, going through something like this, might be more dangerous to his mental state ... and he might need Tohou Fuhai's assistance afterwards, but still it might give Tsukune some kind of power up as well.
Well, will probably know more, about how the fight against the current day Akuha might look like, but I definitely agree with you tyranuus that both Tsukune and Moka would probably be pretty pissed off at Akuha ... which will result in them getting some kind of development's during this fight and as a result both off them will become stronger.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that Moka hasn't really needed to show development up til now, given her power level exhibited has been high tier all the way along, but it does mean she's now about overdue for one, which is what I was getting at. It seems Shinso vampires have a whole host of possible powers at thier disposal, lightning healing and transformation amongst them.
Hell, give her a Slayer form for all I care [Baldur's Gate reference], as long as it's cool and not out of place/in place of story!
I also agree on what you're getting at in terms in terms of the difference between Tsukune/Moka's vampiric/shinso personality; and it was exactly one of the things I was getting at when I mentioned that Moka's Shinso personality is closer than Tsukune's to thier normal starting point; whilst Moka has grown up with the effects of the blood within her and they have bled into each other, whilst Tsukune has been subject to a completely external influence at a much later date; hence the difference in how compatible they were, at least at first; although the centipede scene and the one where he and Moka got kidnapped by the thugs does show it is beginning to blend with him also; or at least developing some cognition.
Tsukune's blood may not be fully awakened, but the changes he has undergone, and the fact the holy lock he has is essentially incomplete/not strong enough (this may be exactly what the headmaster meant when he said it wasn't designed for this - aka containing Shinso power), means I think it has started to awaken and change him, his inhuman healing rate and increased strength, even when he is not unleashing any vampire blood would back this up.
Again though its not like I disagree with what you say, because I've already said I think the fight with Akuha may well be a Glowing Eyes of Doom/Gloves Come Off moment for him [if you read the definition of those Tropes, it would cover Tsukune unlocking another stage in his progression/transformation].
Whether Fouhai's influence will be needed after is another thing; it may well be that Tsukune actually does make a real development and gain some control over his blood, even if he does damage his lock; the lock was never permanent and if you ask me, the Headmaster probably expected as much; the lock is just to give him time to develop ENOUGH control to restrain himself, it doesn't necessarily have to last up until he masters himself; just enough that he no longer requires to be completely locked away.
From the training and his willpower, and the changes occuring within his transformed selfs actions and behaviour, he may well be approaching that point now.
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Or Ikeda could just spoil us all and give Moka and Tsukune both some form of transformation capability....Kahlua can do it, and Moka's blood appears to be far stronger, so if it passes from the male side of the family, then potentially Tsukune and Moka could both learn it via Issa's bloodline...again I think Issa will have more influence later on in the story, it would seem strange to introduce a potentially very powerful, influential dad, and then have him never appear again!
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Yeah, after seeing all this, besides Moka, Tsukune is gonna get pist, filled with rage, probably transform unlike anything weve ever seen before, because its like yall said Moka is to over powering, its Tsukunes turn, after seeing what Akuha does its gonna be like, "pist off transformation of Tsukune resulting in uber badassness", or something like that, then FT will be in some deep shit.
Akasha isn't dead. She was just cut across the waist, so all of her vital organs should be intact. A normal human would obviously die from blood loss, but since Akasha is a vampire with regeneration, she should be fine. She's probably in immense pain, but she'll live unless Akuha did something more to her.
And it's highly possible that Alucard isn't just responding to Moka's blood, but her rage along with it. It would make sense as to why Moka was given the rosary that split her personalities and sealed her memory. Her mother didn't want her to remember these events and start craving revenge. That sort of hate is probably what Alucard responds to.
As for Tsukune, he'll probably just get very wary of Akuha from here on out, or he'll just become more protective of Moka.
That's true, he is very strong but there is one BUT. He usually loses control over himself and it actually could be used in some way.
It is true that Moka had huge trouble fighting him when he had awakened, but she also was holding back. Akuha won't and she seems to be superior to Moka so Tsukune is in quiet deep sh*t.
The teaming up might work but Akuha might not be alone. And even if she does get defeated now, I don't think that conflict will just end here. She might escape or something. I see similar outcome as to when Moka was fighting the other sister, the fight was not settled back then.
Possible similar to Superman and Irradicator? Where Irradicator was in front of Superman and was hit by a blast from the cyborg and Irradicator's power transferred to superman.
Akasha isn't dead. She was just cut across the waist, so all of her vital organs should be intact. A normal human would obviously die from blood loss, but since Akasha is a vampire with regeneration, she should be fine. She's probably in immense pain, but she'll live unless Akuha did something more to her.
And it's highly possible that Alucard isn't just responding to Moka's blood, but her rage along with it. It would make sense as to why Moka was given the rosary that split her personalities and sealed her memory. Her mother didn't want her to remember these events and start craving revenge. That sort of hate is probably what Alucard responds to.
As for Tsukune, he'll probably just get very wary of Akuha from here on out, or he'll just become more protective of Moka.
well here's a thought:
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after Akasha was cleaved in 2 and Moka went on a rage that Alucard was awakened. But because the body was dead, it couldn't completely revive. So Alucard took control of Akasha's body (saving it in the process) in order to live again. It was hard to take over a completely healthy being and one with great power (which Moka was at that time) which is why it couldn't take her and instead took the body of the one that defeated it. If this is the case I'm willing to bet that Alucard possessed Akasha is at the top of Fairy Tale. Maybe at the end Akasha will be freed with the teamwork of Moka and Tsukune.
Maybe that would explain why the Shuuzen family joined because "Akasha" was the one running it. This way may also make things interesting because I doubt Moka would want to fight her mother and in her confusion switches sides for a while. Moka and Tsukune then end up getting into a fight during which Tsukune will snap her out of it. Heck that would be a neat end to this season and then all out war for next season. Even if the season 2 was because of a change of magazine i think it would be a neat idea to go into another season as well.
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