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R.LocK · 2014-04-23, 00:15

Everyone's hard bent on bullying me. She's D-cup, kanojo wa otokonoko ja nai!

Random Wanderer · 2014-04-23, 00:33

I'm not aware that we have information one way or the other, but I'm not particularly compelled to jump to the conclusion that she's a trap.

Kazu-kun · 2014-04-24, 18:44

Translation of the Q&A of ep3 on the show's official twitter. There's an explanation of why some events are different from the manga.

Spoiler for to be safe:

Asuras · 2014-04-24, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

I'm not aware that we have information one way or the other, but I'm not particularly compelled to jump to the conclusion that she's a trap.

I'm more compelled to believe it's some sort of marking Takechi was familiar with, and at that, a marking signifying who Nio is/what type of person she is and that it's apparently terrifying.

inb4swastika

**Solace** · 2014-04-24, 20:30

@Kazu - That's a really interesting Q&A. The bits about Haru are particularly interesting, since the questions mirror how many of us felt about the last few episodes.

Good call putting that under spoiler tags, by the way.

JiCi · 2014-04-25, 07:15

Ep 4 is out... and to have compared it to the Manga, it's still pretty good. I didn't feel like the modifications were problematic or anything.

silvercover · 2014-04-25, 08:24

well the changes were done a bit better than the last one, since this one pretty much retained most of the core elements and sort of did a better expansion on the girl's arc as the manga one was pretty short.

still though, some minor complaints here as they cut off some of the more humanizing aspects for the assassins, or rather sides of them that enhance more knowledge.

if you want to know about them(since the show may end up not talking about it):

Spoiler for manga difference:

in general, im starting to get feel like they're making it too episodic, like they're only giving each girl the entire episode in order to be relevant, cutting up other details for the other assassins that gives insight of their character.

I only hope its for these two girls that have this much focus, as the ones later, well, lets say there are a lot of stuff that will be cut off if they really wanna expound on just one character per episode for their attempt.

oh and they cut off the part where the teacher is starting to wonder what's the deal with those flowers, as well as the explanation for why that particular flower was placed.

there's also the overall change in motivation/background for kouko, though it doesnt really matter or alter the plot much, you guys might be interested in knowing:

Spoiler:

Benigmatica · 2014-04-25, 10:48

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Originally Posted by silvercover

oh and they cut off the part where the teacher is starting to wonder what's the deal with those flowers, as well as the explanation for why that particular flower was placed.

While I'm not a manga reader, it's safe to say that the teacher is just oblivious to what's happening behind the scenes.

On the other hand, is there an explanation of why Nio Hashiri (or some moderator) place a different kind of flower when an assassin was banished?

silvercover · 2014-04-25, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Benigmatica

While I'm not a manga reader, it's safe to say that the teacher is just oblivious to what's happening behind the scenes.

On the other hand, is there an explanation of why Nio Hashiri (or some moderator) place a different kind of flower when an assassin was banished?

exactly, thats what that line was supposed to do: to support that the teacher really had no idea of anything.
(though I dont know if in the novels/future that he does know something)

well yeah, the spider lily here for instance in flower language means "im looking forward to meeting you again". im surprised that they couldnt have put this up.

Shyni · 2014-04-25, 11:52

Hope we get someone (besides Tokaku, I mean) interfering to prevent the other person from winning the prize or something. Would be a wasted opportunity if they never have the assassins going against each other.

Say, is Nio actually competing? So far she's in an overseeing role, and while she had a notie in the OP, she was the only one not wearing a tight leather outfit. Is this gonna be like one of those times when the people running the competition have their own contestant?

Random Wanderer · 2014-04-25, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Benigmatica

On the other hand, is there an explanation of why Nio Hashiri (or some moderator) place a different kind of flower when an assassin was banished?

Every flower placed has a specific meaning in the language of the flowers that suits the girl whose desk it's on.

silvercover · 2014-04-25, 13:11

oh yeah, there's also a lot of stuff last ep that was cut off(not changed/altered).

but il post it tomorrow... later, need to sleep.

ookamigirl · 2014-04-25, 13:16

Watching Black Class taking mid-terms is just weird.
For a second there it makes you forget it's a class full of assassins.
Haru is so naive...
Being the only normal girl there, she just seems kinda weird.
Tokaku managed to save her ass a couple of times too.
That advance notice thing is unusual, but sort of noble.
At least she knows when she's being targeted.
Kaminaga was doing her best to complete the mission.
With Tokaku as Haru's watch dog that was impossible.
Another great episode!

ChampDream · 2014-04-25, 13:42

It was a good episode, the change they did were not that bad.
Sometimes you forget the class is full of assassins when you see them study and do school relative things.

FinalAvalanche · 2014-04-25, 13:45

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Originally Posted by silvercover

there's also the overall change in motivation/background for kouko

The scanlated version of the chapter you're comparing the episode to, isn't the full chapter. Volume 2 of Akuma no Riddle had extra pages that added to Kouko's background.

Chiaki_chan · 2014-04-25, 15:13

Ep 04

Kouko-chan ....... sad background

Mad serial killer passes have a girl with a sad past...

R.LocK · 2014-04-25, 15:39

They left out a pretty important detail. Well, who cares about school life, huh?

Rant:

Spoiler:

Other than that? Rather well played. I liked it. Not as much as the third episode because no such glorious moment with Nio but when she appears she steals my attention. Yay.

HandofFate · 2014-04-25, 15:40

04 was alrite.
With the bomb's girls flashback, I wasn't sure if it was really her mistake, or if her mentor set the bomb off herself to kill herself to get out of the business.

Attempt wasn't as exciting as the 1st one, since for a bomb person, she couldn't do anything else afterwards.

bad with names, but the one the other one that said she's not targeting Haru, she might still target her if something pops up. But I wonder if she's a detective or something.

Galacticichi · 2014-04-25, 16:10

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

With the bomb's girls flashback, I wasn't sure if it was really her mistake, or if her mentor set the bomb off herself to kill herself to get out of the business.

I contemplated this for a bit and thought it'd have been a real dick move if Irena let Kouko take the blame for her suicide. Such a flag before she died lol.

This episode was pretty weak and if they keep this 1 assassin an ep routine I won't enjoy this anime as much. There's no point in having all these characters to only have them "fleshed" out and dead by the episode's end. Would've been easier/better to just have say 5 assassins, allowing more time for the viewer to actually feel anything for the characters.

Triple_R · 2014-04-25, 16:40

Episode 4 was a little too straightforward for my liking.

Haru takes ridiculous risks while Tokaku ineffectually complains about it. The two of them get into a precarious situation by falling into a foreseeable trap set by the assassin of the week. Brief fight between Tokaku and said assassin. Assassin loses. The end.

I hope this formula isn't the one they'll be going with for most of the show, because it's already starting to make the protagonists seem dumb and the assassins seem like the perfect people to join Cobra.

Or if they are going to stick with this formula, at least spice it up with some actual yuri. Right now Tokaku might as well just be a hired bodyguard for a rich girl. I'm feeling almost no chemistry at all between her and Haru.

2014-04-23, 00:33	Link #302
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I'm not aware that we have information one way or the other, but I'm not particularly compelled to jump to the conclusion that she's a trap. __________________

2014-04-24, 18:44	Link #303
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Translation of the Q&A of ep3 on the show's official twitter. There's an explanation of why some events are different from the manga. Spoiler for to be safe: Q: Does Banba-san have an accent? A: Thank you for the first question! She doesn't have an accent, she just doesn't like speaking so she can't talk properly. Q: Is it just me or Haru-chan is more skillful than Tokaku-san? A: It certainly feels like that for this episode... Haru has struggled through many carnages so she is definitely not weak! Please look forward to Tokaku being more active from now on. Q: What Takechi was holding, are those scissors? Or two swords? A: You can actually stick them together! Even though it looks like gurkha knife, it's actually a big scissors! Cutting! Q: There were lots of changes compared to the manga! From now on, are there also gonna be lots of differences? A: Until this point, the compositions of both the manga and anime were done in the same time! Please think about them as having the same core but with different flavours! Q: Takechi-san was shown killing women for pleasure, is she a lesbian? A: It's unclear whether she's a lesbian or not... though, it looks like she really loves chopping up women. Q: What did Takechi see when she cut Nio? A: That's a good question! Just what did she see? I can't say it now but it will become clear in the future! Q: Otoya-san was forced to transfer school but why are there flowers on her desk? A: There're meanings behind those flowers in the flower language! About who put it there... I still can't say it! Q: Will Takechi show up in the future? A: Many people sent the same question! Um... she will! In what way I can't say but... she left the school according to Black class' rules. Q: I have recorded the episode but still haven't watched it, is it interesting? A: I think it's interesting, that's why I'm showing it to everyone! Q: What did Haru forced Takechi to smell when she was about killing Tokaku? A: It's the same flower that Takechi gave Haru. Q: Why did Takechi choose to kill Haru at the botanical garden? A: She just transfered in so for her to be alone with Haru, the botanical garden was the only place she could think of. Q: Is the countdown (48 hours) started when Haru recognizes the advanced notice or is it started when the assassin put it into her desk? A: It's when Haru recognizes the notice. All the surveilance cameras are to observe that moment. Q: Is Haru actually the strongest in the class? And that's why she has such a high prize on her head? A: Haru is strong but not the strongest. And she never strikes first. Q: Why was Haru stripped in every episode? A: Ep2-> to be put into water. Ep3-> because the opponent is a "hentai". It just somehow happened that way. Q: After researching that flower, it looks like there're no effects unless you swallow it... does that mean Haru-chan swallowed some of those flowers> A: Like Takechi said, it has been decided that that flower is a new species that even the biology teacher Mizorogy-sensei doesn't know about. Q: I also want to strip Haru-chan! I want to make her my wife! A: If you can win against Tokaku then go ahead! Q: Otoya is being chased by the police so how can she obtain those dangerous flowers? A: The botanical garden of Myoujyou academy has 2500 types of plants! Q: Mizorogy-sensei said "I hate lie", is there any meaning behind those words? A: There's no deep meaning behind it! From that point, they were all Sakurai-san's ad-lib! He did too much! __________________

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Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	@Kazu - That's a really interesting Q&A. The bits about Haru are particularly interesting, since the questions mirror how many of us felt about the last few episodes. Good call putting that under spoiler tags, by the way. __________________

2014-04-25, 08:24	Link #307
silvercover Romance Expert Join Date: Feb 2012	well the changes were done a bit better than the last one, since this one pretty much retained most of the core elements and sort of did a better expansion on the girl's arc as the manga one was pretty short. still though, some minor complaints here as they cut off some of the more humanizing aspects for the assassins, or rather sides of them that enhance more knowledge. if you want to know about them(since the show may end up not talking about it): Spoiler for manga difference: kouko's roommate actually cared for her a lot, not just being the "hey fellow roommate/assassin. she heard about her wish(and actually, kouko seemed to have just changed her wish after the fridge bomb fail attempt to being able to quit, while the anime here is saying that that was her wish in the first place). then she pretty much said "if you fail, I will leave", only to stick around due to a note that kouko left for her that said "if you're reading this, follow your leader's footsteps". in general, im starting to get feel like they're making it too episodic, like they're only giving each girl the entire episode in order to be relevant, cutting up other details for the other assassins that gives insight of their character. I only hope its for these two girls that have this much focus, as the ones later, well, lets say there are a lot of stuff that will be cut off if they really wanna expound on just one character per episode for their attempt. oh and they cut off the part where the teacher is starting to wonder what's the deal with those flowers, as well as the explanation for why that particular flower was placed. there's also the overall change in motivation/background for kouko, though it doesnt really matter or alter the plot much, you guys might be interested in knowing: Spoiler: in the manga, kouko was actually praised by that teacher in that while she's clumsy right now, she will learn quickly from her mistakes. then later its the church full of those child assassins, and those priests/nuns that were probably assassins too, that blows up, with only kouko and irena surviving, since irena took her outside where she pretty much talked to her about "death is not the ending but the beginning". so now she's grateful for irena for saving her from her old place. __________________ my fanfics: Refractions (madoka magica) Reversed Connections (BRS) could only keep it this big

2014-04-25, 13:11	Link #312
silvercover Romance Expert Join Date: Feb 2012	oh yeah, there's also a lot of stuff last ep that was cut off(not changed/altered). but il post it tomorrow... later, need to sleep. __________________ my fanfics: Refractions (madoka magica) Reversed Connections (BRS) could only keep it this big

2014-04-23, 00:15	Link #301
R.LocK My turn Join Date: Feb 2012	Everyone's hard bent on bullying me. She's D-cup, kanojo wa otokonoko ja nai!

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JiCi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montréal - Québec - Canada Age: 39	Ep 4 is out... and to have compared it to the Manga, it's still pretty good. I didn't feel like the modifications were problematic or anything.

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Shyni Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: nowhere	Hope we get someone (besides Tokaku, I mean) interfering to prevent the other person from winning the prize or something. Would be a wasted opportunity if they never have the assassins going against each other. Say, is Nio actually competing? So far she's in an overseeing role, and while she had a notie in the OP, she was the only one not wearing a tight leather outfit. Is this gonna be like one of those times when the people running the competition have their own contestant?

2014-04-25, 13:16	Link #313
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Watching Black Class taking mid-terms is just weird. For a second there it makes you forget it's a class full of assassins. Haru is so naive... Being the only normal girl there, she just seems kinda weird. Tokaku managed to save her ass a couple of times too. That advance notice thing is unusual, but sort of noble. At least she knows when she's being targeted. Kaminaga was doing her best to complete the mission. With Tokaku as Haru's watch dog that was impossible. Another great episode! __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2014-04-25, 13:42	Link #314
ChampDream Alive Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: in my really nice house	It was a good episode, the change they did were not that bad. Sometimes you forget the class is full of assassins when you see them study and do school relative things. __________________

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Chiaki_chan Kubo GO TO HELL Join Date: May 2012 Location: with Maki-sama Age: 31	Ep 04 Kouko-chan ....... sad background Mad serial killer passes have a girl with a sad past... __________________

2014-04-25, 15:39	Link #317
R.LocK My turn Join Date: Feb 2012	They left out a pretty important detail. Well, who cares about school life, huh? Rant: Spoiler: Now, my main grip with explosives: c'mon, they don't work like this. If you're aiming for the kill with this distance... well, it'd be next to impossible for Tokaku to end up with a few minor burns. She should've been unable to even stand up. (spine cord in pieces, vestibular system torn apart, no hair on the back of the head anymore, etc.) Alas, no one cares. Other than that? Rather well played. I liked it. Not as much as the third episode because no such glorious moment with Nio but when she appears she steals my attention. Yay.

2014-04-25, 15:40	Link #318
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	04 was alrite. With the bomb's girls flashback, I wasn't sure if it was really her mistake, or if her mentor set the bomb off herself to kill herself to get out of the business. Attempt wasn't as exciting as the 1st one, since for a bomb person, she couldn't do anything else afterwards. bad with names, but the one the other one that said she's not targeting Haru, she might still target her if something pops up. But I wonder if she's a detective or something. __________________ ...

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Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	Episode 4 was a little too straightforward for my liking. Haru takes ridiculous risks while Tokaku ineffectually complains about it. The two of them get into a precarious situation by falling into a foreseeable trap set by the assassin of the week. Brief fight between Tokaku and said assassin. Assassin loses. The end. I hope this formula isn't the one they'll be going with for most of the show, because it's already starting to make the protagonists seem dumb and the assassins seem like the perfect people to join Cobra. Or if they are going to stick with this formula, at least spice it up with some actual yuri. Right now Tokaku might as well just be a hired bodyguard for a rich girl. I'm feeling almost no chemistry at all between her and Haru. __________________