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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 18 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 16 | 14.68% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 30 | 27.52% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 29 | 26.61% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 20 | 18.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 5 | 4.59% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 2 | 1.83% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 1 | 0.92% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 3 | 2.75% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 3 | 2.75% | |
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2012-11-04, 12:47 | Link #123 | ||
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2012-11-04, 12:48 | Link #124 |
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If I was Sugou and planned to kidnap 300 test subjects using company resources and eventually taking control of the company by marrying Asuna, you can be sure Asuna would be one of the kidnapees. At least until I got that brainwashing thing working.
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2012-11-04, 13:19 | Link #125 | ||
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The absolute and only reason I can see Asuna being the one put in this situation or even in this situation is because it's neccessary for Sugou to further his primary objective of taking over RCT company. The fact that he gets to torment Asuna and maybe end up controling her is just a bonus to him. His plan would be stopped before it even started if Asuna was concious and able to do anything at all. Quote:
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I say good for her, she doesnt want to write that, I say more power to her. I agree with her completely. What's "absurd" was THAT letter from THAT fan. Using rape in a story does not make it bad, it does not make it poor writing. As I said before, it's a plot device, what the author does with it from here on out will define whether or not it was a good or poor choice. Oh and will you please stop with the complaining about how Sugou acts, it's his character, I know plenty of them in real life as sad as that may be. |
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2012-11-04, 13:55 | Link #127 | |
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Or at least the company might be transferred to him since he is adapted to the family.... |
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2012-11-04, 14:24 | Link #128 | ||
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2012-11-04, 14:31 | Link #132 | |||
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So, in your opinion, no fiction should ever involve rape, no matter how well written it is, or how realistically it's being portrayed because including rape in a story is bad writing? The fact that Kawahara chose this situation does not make it inherently bad, it's how he plays the story out that matters. It's how each character deals with the situation and how each character lets the experience affect them in the aftermath that will define whether this was a good or poor choice for a story path. You just dont seem to get that no plot device is inherently good or bad, but rather how its used. Quote:
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An evil scumbag will be an evil scumbag, you might as well complain that the sky is blue or that the brick wall infront of you wont move out of your way. He's the villian of this arc. Not every bad person in the world has some sort of sob story, or sympathetic background that caused them to end up they way they did. What you're complaining about isnt that he's poorly written, it's that he's a bonafide, grade A sociopath. And to be truthful, the author is doing a pretty dam good job of depicting what a real "malignant" sociopath is like. |
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2012-11-04, 14:33 | Link #133 | |
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I'm not saying that he's a particularly nuanced villain, as there clearly hasn't been much effort to make him sympathetic or particularly relatable. But I don't think this show is trying to send an sort of message about what rapists are like through this. But I also don't think it's unlikely that someone power-obsessed would fantasize about rape, because it is often about power and control. Sugou has nearly-unlimited power, but he doesn't seem willing to control Asuna in that way. Perhaps he would be a rapist if not for this, but he isn't (at least not as far as we know). Of course, he is performing human experimentation that could result in serious brain damage and other "side-effects" including death, so there's not exactly anything that redeems him. In the end, and that aside, I assume that it has probably yet to be decided in the SAO universe if crimes committed against an avatar in the virtual world have any real life consequences. This was a point addressed in this episode, where Sugou says -- essentially -- who cares what happens in the virtual world because it's not real. Asuna, on the other hand, suggests that the VR world and the real world are no different as far as she as concerned, which Sugou shrugs off as being "worried about mental damage". Considering his experimentation all involves "mental damage", that's sort of an interesting view coming from him. So if there is a conversation being had in this show about crime, this is probably more what they're aiming for. If he did attack her in this game where death just makes you respawn, all the feelings are simulated, and you can't feel real "pain"... even though the mental scars are real, what even is that crime? It's an odd issue to contemplate.
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2012-11-04, 14:45 | Link #134 | |
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2012-11-04, 15:00 | Link #137 |
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For Sugou, it's all about power. That isn't at all mutually exclusive with being a rapist, but he's not motivated by wanting to have sex with Asuna. He's motivated by having power over her (and others). This is also why he takes every possible opportunity to explain his evil plans to anyone who he believes can't do anything about it. It's not enough that he simply gets what he wants, he wants to make sure that everyone knows it. Honestly, that part is more important than getting what he wants.
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2012-11-04, 15:06 | Link #138 | |
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From what I read, you're saying that rapists aren't clearly bad? That they just can't take no for an answer? Yes, not being able to take no for an answer isn't an inherently bad trait in itself, but taken in this context, rapists are trampling on the basic human rights of their victims. They are denying them of their right to free will by forcing themselves upon them. That, no matter under what circumstances, is simply despicable. Yes, we can prattle on for example about how this guy was subjected to constant abuse as a child thereby making him into the serial rapist he is today blah blah blah but two wrongs don't make a right. It might be easy for you to talk about rapists like that, but their victims know otherwise. They were at the receiving end of the abuse. They experienced firsthand what horrors these people were capable of unleashing upon them. So complaining about Kawahara contributing to the notion that all rapists are disgusting is like complaining about how the Bible portrays demons as evil. They simply are. You complain about why the arc turned out this way, but I ask you: why not? We see more of Asuna's backstory with the introduction of Sugou as the main villian, we see how little Asuna's family knows about her, what she actually wants, who she actually is. We see more about Sugu, Kirito's beloved little sister whom he mentions on multiple during the events of SAO, who she is as a person, a little bit about her backstory in school, the relationship she and Kirito share. We even get to see the effect a VRMMO has in others with the removal of the death penalty, what happened to ARGUS because of SAO, so many things. How would the alternate paths you listed be able to accomplish all these? Do you really think Asuna's parents object to Kirito and her being together? They don't even know they have a relationship beyond being good friends. In fact, it seems likely that they arranged Sugou and Asuna's marriage thinking that it was what she wants. Would ALO as an alternate reality escape introduce more about Sugu like we did now? Not to mention ALO belongs to RCT, which belongs to Asuna's father. If he had indeed objected to them being together, do you think he would do nothing about it and let them continue their relationship on his company's property? Keep in mind Asuna would still be living with her parents, and ALO is very likely the only other VRMMO besides SAO due to RCT owning the servers. It isn't possible for her to play in secret. |
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2012-11-04, 15:11 | Link #139 |
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As we discussed before (since you're not saying it in a sarcastic way?), he didn't grope her breast either -- the camera changed angles to show that he hadn't yet touched her and stopped once he saw her reaction.
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