2012-10-14, 17:52 | Link #901 | |
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I'm basically saying that. I even said something along the lines of this place being so messed up this is probably the only logical option they could come up with. As a person who lives in Chicago which is known for its high murder and crime rates, I can somewhat understand why such drastic measures would be taken, as I have witnessed and encountered the "dangerous everyday norm" personally. After awhile, ain't surprised at all someone says f#$k this and makes it simplistic as hell to deal with the situation. You might not agree with how its being done, but I can bet one thing is certain, they ARE seeing the results they wanted, which is less crime numbers being recorded.
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2012-10-14, 18:01 | Link #903 | |
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True, that's also a possibility too but we just don't know yet. Not like I'm going to continue defending the system if it's not really defensible... it's just at the moment I do think that it is defensible.
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2012-10-14, 18:07 | Link #904 |
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Agree. Now if we see some serious flaws, then its time we go in with pitch forks ready to burn it with fire. But from everything I've seen, not only has good reason been shown to use such drastic measures (this super sh%tty environment), but nothing the computer has done was really wrong. If anything, you might want to blame them using criminals instead of the actual computeritself. But at the same time, the system was made with the full potential of shooting your criminal lackeys if the situation arrises, so maybe they knew stuff like this could happen of a criminal taking it too far or misjudging something, and for a safe precaution, made them just as much a target as the original target.
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2012-10-14, 18:30 | Link #905 | |
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2012-10-14, 18:31 | Link #906 |
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It's a big problem to kill people based on what they might do rather than what they have actually done. The whole movement of Western law over the past few centuries has been toward people having individual rights that supersede the rights of the state. This has not been true in other parts of the world -- East Asia in particular -- until very recently.
I hope we (both in the West and in Asia) don't slip back into the old ways of thinking the state/society is so much more important than the individual, but the threats (real or perceived) of crime and terrorism may drive us in that direction. Seems likely to me, actually. (begin semi-off-topic political rant) Personally, I think the threats of crime and terrorism have been exaggerated in order to make us fearful and obedient -- and to make us want to satisfy ourselves by buying more stuff. Crime in America has been dropping, overall, for a number of years now, and terrorism has only affected small numbers, compared to the numbers affected by the West's military actions to suppress it -- actions which seem to me more likely to stimulate terrorism and war than to suppress them.(/end rant).
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2012-10-14, 18:37 | Link #907 | ||
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I've seen some pretty questionable stuff get supported on the basis of "we need to get tough on crime". Here I kind of agree with Tenchi Ryu - I wouldn't underestimate how far the general public might be willing to go just to capture a few more criminals, or eliminate a few more threats to society. And if Gen is providing a sort of social commentary on that, I think that could be very compelling.
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2012-10-14, 18:40 | Link #908 | |
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2012-10-14, 18:55 | Link #910 | |
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Both people and the computer is right...its a debate on which way is the better right.
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2012-10-14, 19:06 | Link #911 |
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Most of the discussion about the applicability and validity of the Psycho-pass system can be given a more solid philosophical grounding by referring to the well-documented debate between free will and determinism.
The idea that free will is an illusion, that everything we do, or can even think of doing, is determined by chemical reactions in our body and brains, seems to prevail in this reality. If you believe that, then you must inevitably come to the conclusion that we are really no more than incredibly complex — yet ultimately predictable — biomechanical machines. That being the case, the calculations of the Dominator become no more than a routine exercise in the computation of probabilities, reduced to a simple yes-or-no scenario. While it is interesting to consider whether the enforcers truly have a "choice" about whether to pull the trigger, the bigger reality is probably that, in a society that has come to take determinism for granted, such choice, even if it exists, is an illusion (what makes you think the enforcers weren't selected on the basis that they would accept orders without question?). It may be a false dilemma, but if no one is able to perceive other possibilities of action, who is truly at fault? |
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2012-10-14, 20:26 | Link #913 |
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That's an idealistic aphorism with very little practical use in daily reality, and I don't believe Jefferson was an advocate for anarchy. Just the mere act of living together as a society requires the surrendering of some individual liberties. It's not a question of whether or not to give up some freedoms, but rather a question of how much to give up.
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2012-10-14, 20:40 | Link #914 | |
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Yeah but drugs destroys life of people who use it. You wouldnt your child use drugs , believe me.
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2012-10-14, 20:46 | Link #915 |
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This show is quite intense, as a few have said, this gave me a bit of Dredd 3D vibe, having just recently watched that movie, and also Minority report too. The guns are quite intense too, two settings stun and Northstar
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2012-10-14, 22:23 | Link #916 | |
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Dominator can detect whether or not the situation is dangerous for "random" bystanders and factor that in as well. If this is true, then Kogami would have been in the know and may have purposely stepped into the gasoline to jack up the crime coefficient reading. After all, we do get a brief close-up shot of the scene.
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2012-10-14, 22:24 | Link #917 |
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now another way of thinking
what if the dominator was created in order to save those that are innocent? I mean, compare it to other ordinary firearms, it has the ability to auto lock itself when you are not suppose to shoot. Like what Klash has mentioned, the fault is not on that calculation system, but the protocol in which the department adheres to. Are they suppose to fully trust the system and ignore all the peripheral factors that the machine cannot read? While the machine is convenient, it's not meant to be absolute. Was there an incident where some cops hesitates and created a major casualty, which forces the public to demand more strict reliance on the machine? Do people just got so used to them that the power corrupts? I for one would love to know how this system came into place. We are only episode 1 yet and there's already a heated debate in regard to the merit of the system. Too many questions that will hopefully be addressed in the upcoming episodes.
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2012-10-15, 01:40 | Link #920 | |
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Or maybe Akane knows that the gun dropping the lighter is a concrete step to making the gun update and lower its readings. All that waving the lighter around showed that the girl clearly had the intent to kill, it doesn't matter if she was the victim or not. The gun saw a mentally unstable woman about to immolate herself with a fellow officer. Then it would make sense to issue a execution. After the lighter was gone, the gun immediately updated and saw a mentally unstable woman, so recommended that she be taken away for counseling. Speaking of counseling, I have an alternate theory as to why some people seem adverse to it, but others (like Akane) seemed to be okay with it. It's possible that the counseling is effective (and safe), but there might be some sort of social stigma associated with having to go to therapy. Iirc people who have abnormally high psycho-pass ratings are isolated from society, and probably treated like monsters by the general public. The government itself may perpetuate the image, Akane was surprised when the old guy acted like a regular guy. If it got out that your crime coefficient was high enough to merit therapy you would lose a large amount of opportunities, like jobs, marriage, all that stuff that the rapist was going on about. It reminds me a bit like GATTACA. Considering the fact that the rapist also had a hue/PP reader, the devices might be common enough for everyone to have. When meeting someone for the first time, people might judge based on their PP readings. Alternatively, the guy bought the device illegally with those drugs and I am completely wrong.
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