2013-10-04, 12:26 | Link #281 | |
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But, in this case, you're the one labeling Hikari tsundere, not me. He may or may not be tsundere, but he certainly acts like a bully and a jerk to me. To me, tsundere and bully are not equivalent. Exactly. For me, it all depends on how the "tsundere-ness" manifests itself. In the case of females, some can be darn cute, whereas some are just over the top with the "tsun-ness" and are just way to mean and/or cruel to be likable, even if they do have a "dere" side. |
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2013-10-04, 12:35 | Link #282 | ||
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I don't, I'm talking about the general way female tsunderes are used/handled and how in-series everyone throws the blame at the male in anime. I used that word on him because there is no better word bttb, but so far he is no different from the cliche even more since he is the chilhood friend. He acts harsh towards the female character because she always is a crybaby, he doesn't wants her apologies just wants to act less whiny in front of people, if he acts like his other friends who are okay on how she behaves things won't change so he takes a different approach. Of course I do think some of the words his chooses are reprochable. Quote:
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2013-10-04, 12:36 | Link #283 |
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By the way, just for the record, the infamous line "ovulating" that people keep pointing to is just translator liberty, and isn't what he actually says in Japanese. The spoken line is just "雌の匂いがする", which is just something like "Smells like a female". In the next scene, the protagonist asks what he meant by that, and he explains that she's "in heat". So I guess in composite you could say that the original line is correct, but he'd never ask the clarification question if indeed he had said what he was mistranslated as saying. The translator basically took a massive liberty, ruined a joke, and created a line that sounds stupid, all in one go (which of course people blamed the Japanese writer for without any proof or evidence).
So, basically, get a better translation than that crap.
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2013-10-04, 12:38 | Link #284 | |
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But to flip things on their head a bit, I know a lot of people consider Kyon (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) to be a male tsundere, and he's also pretty popular and generally well-liked. So like you said, there are good and bad tsunderes in both genders.
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2013-10-04, 12:43 | Link #285 | |
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2013-10-04, 13:45 | Link #286 | |
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For a tsundere figure to be sympathetic as a character, the story either needs to acknowledge that they're behaving in a screwed up manner (Toradora), or their meanness needs to be a justified response to another character's behavior. So far we have neither. The guy's just a jerk. |
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2013-10-04, 16:01 | Link #288 | |
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1. This show is some weird fantasy world that is not exactly based on reality. This isn't a hard sci-fi show. 2. I never thought the setting is well conceived. The idea of people living in the sea and cooking food with some spirit fire and eating/drinking in the water is honestly pretty stupid. I also don't get why they would attend a surface school if being on the surface too long kills them. This all seems pretty ridiculous to me. 3. I don't care about this show like I cared about Coppelion. My expectations of Okada and PA works working together are at an all time low. ---- Anyways, this is just going to be a cheap melodrama with typical perverted okada humor. I have no reason to believe this will turn out any good, but I do expect it to make tons of people rage, which will probably be funnier than the show itself. Translation made it seem much worse, but it's still a pretty ridiculous scene lol.
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2013-10-04, 16:30 | Link #292 |
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Just drawing a comparison but yeah, Menma was dead and was some kind of tormented ghost so she was justified for who she was, also she had the mental age of a kid because she died like one. Here on the other Manaka is on middle school 2nd year already if my memory doesn't fails.
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2013-10-04, 16:46 | Link #293 |
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I wonder if there's some deep, as of now unexplained reason that Manaka fell for that one kid at the back of the classroom in about three seconds (ie he reminds her of someone else from her past, or something along those lines), or if she's just in heat the 'love at first sight' type. A question for later episodes to answer, I suppose. Poor Hikari; if Manaka initially became that infatuated with Tsumugu before he'd even opened his mouth and with absolutely no effort made on his part besides existing, then Tsumugu must have increased that headstart by about a hundred times by saving Manaka and in the process forming an actual meaningful relationship with her.
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2013-10-04, 18:39 | Link #294 | ||
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I'd also add that if Hikari wasn't so obtusely arrogant, he'd be tolerable. I mean, among his opening lines was essentially "Manaka can't live without me". Quote:
What bothers me is how annoyingly over-reactive and spineless Manaka is. Maybe there is a good reason; maybe there isn't. My hunch is it's because her friends shelter her, but that only makes her even more spineless. Granted, if these are supposed to be 2nd year middle-schoolers (that's 14 years old, right?), then I might be able to tolerate these two, to an extent. |
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2013-10-04, 19:05 | Link #295 | |
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I laughed at that scene too! The reactions were so spot-on that I just couldn't help it. It's rare that an anime actually makes me laugh out loud so kudos to the team for that.
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2013-10-04, 19:18 | Link #296 | ||
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They only actually interacted towards the end of the episode, and Manaka was already head over heels with him by then... ...and even I doubt that Hikari could've bullied her to the point that all it takes is a glance from another male for her to want to be with him instead. Quote:
"...a love triangle" |
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2013-10-04, 19:28 | Link #297 | |
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While I wouldn't quite call it bullying-- since that implies malicious intent-- Hikari's over-protective tsun-ness was likely suffocating (but Manaka seems too docile to rebel, so facepalm). The racist rips her first thing in the morning simply because she was wearing a surface-dweller's uniform. |
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2013-10-04, 19:33 | Link #298 |
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I do NOT like where this series is going. Clearly there's going to be some big catastrophe involving legends of old overlaying an interspecies romantic warfare, but that's not the part I don't like. Call me a sexist, but I HATE love triangles with one female.
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2013-10-04, 19:38 | Link #299 | |
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2013-10-04, 19:56 | Link #300 |
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It's interesting that everyone is convinced there's no good reason the characters are the way they are after one episode with no backstory out of a two-cour series. But then, as this show was almost universally dismissed as a disaster before it even premiered I guess it's at least consistent.
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drama, harem, love polygon, mari okada, p.a. works, romance, seinen |
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