2008-10-21, 07:37 | Link #2142 | |
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"Granted, it is altogether true that we must believe in God's existence because it is taught in the Holy Scriputres, and, conversely, that we must believe the Holy Scriptures because they have Come from God... This reasoning cannot be proposed to unbelievers because they would judge it to be circular." Also see, if you want further info, Begging the question |
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2008-10-21, 07:40 | Link #2143 |
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My point was that if we believe anyway, God is essentially the creator of the Bible and not the other way around. In Lelouch case, keeping the Bible->God analogy would mean that Taniguchi exists because Lelouch says so.
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2008-10-21, 07:42 | Link #2144 |
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a debate about the validity of god and the circular nature of religus belief
in the code geass generic thread who'd have thunk it and if the creator says lelouch is ment to be dead then he is canoniclly dead if this is reteconed later then it changes it but for now word of god says he is dead
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2008-10-21, 07:42 | Link #2145 | |
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Frankly I'll take the writer's word over the director since he states quite clear that Lelouch is dead and if you need it to be seen in some animated form you got it right infront of you when blood was pouring out f him. But like with religion let people believe what they want to believe and that was the point of the ending. |
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2008-10-21, 07:50 | Link #2147 | |
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2008-10-21, 07:51 | Link #2148 | |
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Sorry if I miunderstand you, but Okuchi and Taniguchi are the very creators of the show, I think they have quite a better idea than ANYONE else of what ending of their story was.... In the story that they created, Leloudh ended up dead, period. Anything else is fanfiction. Sorry for all the Lelouch is alive believers, but there is no more ambiguity in both Okuchi's and Taniguchi's interviews. Also, your analogy actually doesn't work at all, because Okuchi never said anything about real life, he just talked about a fictional story that he created.... if you want to make an analogy with the Bible, then it would be about things that were related in the Bible, like "Saying Lelouch is dead because the writers said so is like saying Jesus resurrected because the Bible said so.", and even so it would be a bad analogy, as Lelouch is a fictional character whereas Jesus actually existed. |
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2008-10-21, 07:58 | Link #2151 | |
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Think of it this way: What if J.K. Rowling just said that Dumbledore is dead without letting anyone read the 6th Book of Harry Potter? Wouldn't you be curious as to why and how that happened? I doubt you'd just blindly take her word for it without knowing why. The way I feel right now about Code Geass is like a person who's been given spoilers for a book she hasn't yet read completely. |
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2008-10-21, 08:06 | Link #2153 | |
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but that is not nearly the case this is not simple being told about it without seeing it we all saw lelouch die in a long draw out scene compelete with the motives and reasons for his death and an entire "life flashing before his eyes" thing this is not based on word of god alone this is the word of god setteling the debate about wherther or not he is dead (which even without word of god seems the likely option)
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2008-10-21, 08:07 | Link #2154 |
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Consiering that the writer said it himself that Lelouch is dead doesn't that make you a tad delusional? Plus it makes sense for him to die since he's sacrificing his tomorrow so everyone could have theirs and Suzaku is sacrificing is happiness so everyone would be happy, him actually being alive would kill the purpose in general and all for what so fans can be happy or to see him be with is true love? It's ridiculous in itself and really if you want to believe that Lelouch is alive than why don't you believe Asahina to be alive as well if Guilford and Nunnally can survive FRIEJA why not him and 10 million others But I disgrace the point of the ending was to make it so open that anyone can think of alternate scenarios and believe whatever the hell they want regardless.
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2008-10-21, 08:18 | Link #2155 |
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@bladeofdarkness & Train Samurai:
Both of you are clearly biased towards one possibility while I am clearly biased towards being skeptical about all this. I don't think anything meaningful can come out of this, should I argue with you. So let's not argue nor persuade each other. In the meantime, your logic, as infallible as it can be, cannot in the least compensate for the closure that alot of people seek. |
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And no we're not being biased we're taking the creators word over speculation, if they say he's dead he's dead plain and simple but at the same time they acknowledge the fanbase's wishes so they left it up to their imagination on what happen. |
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2008-10-21, 08:31 | Link #2157 | |
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2008-10-21, 08:48 | Link #2159 |
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Well good for you, it proves that you don't have a decent rebuttal to support your own thesis, so in short you give up due to knowing that you have nothing further to add on. Anyways it's pointless to have arguments with people like you.
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