2012-06-14, 21:36 | Link #102 | |
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bases, essentially under guard by the more loyal troops. But desertions are taking place anyway. The government wants to avoid entire units deserting, and taking all their weapons with them. To make up for a manpower shortage, the government has organized militias from it loyalists. These guys are little better than undisciplined thugs and are responsible for most of the atrocities." See: http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syri.../20120613.aspx |
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2012-06-15, 19:49 | Link #103 |
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US official: Russia sends troops to Syria as peace hopes fade:
"Russia is sending armed troops to Syria amid escalating violence there, United States military officials told NBC News Friday, in a move certain to frustrate Western efforts to put pressure on the regime of President Bashir Assad. Moscow has sent a ship carrying a small contingent of combat forces to guard Russias deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus, the US officials said." See: http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...opes-fade?lite |
2012-06-22, 12:04 | Link #105 |
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turkish f 4 being shot down by syrian s 300:
"(Updated 17.35): The Turkish Chouriet that actually transmits the Turkish fighter (not confirmed if it was F-4E 2020 or fighter / ID RF-4E) had violated Syrian airspace, but after his fall, the Syrians gave permission to Turks and approached the area while their pilots and delivered. ---------- (Updated 16.48) Final: Shot down by fire from the air defense systems S-300PMU2 impact the Turkish fighter F-4E 2020 (providing other sources of RF-4E) who violated the Syrian airspace and two pilots captured. The Reuters transmits that shot up from the Syrian territory. Also the Lebanese channel "Al Bagianter" conveys that was shot down by Syrian air defense fire." See: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mac...7MUT1D86LULSKG ================================================== ===== No information about missing pilots: Turkish PM: "Turkish Prime Minister says cannot say whether Turkish warplane shot down or crashed, no news on pilots. The plane was taken down by Syrian forces, an official Turkish source confirmed to Hürriyet Daily News. The pilots of a crashed Turkish military still missing and Turkish military is searching for the two pilots PM Erdoğan said." See: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syr...&NewsCatID=341 |
2012-06-23, 17:10 | Link #108 |
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There were rumours of Russia reinforcing Syria's air defences for the past ~6 months or so. NATO is eager to "install a no-fly zone" over Syrian airspace (which, in other words, means bomb the hell out of Assad's ground forces), but the probable presence of a viable air defence capability is what's keeping NATO at bay.
The Turkish jet was flying at high speed and low altitude, unarmed. This was a reconnaissance mission in order to confirm Syria's ability or inability to respond to an invasion. However, Erdogan had to make an idiot out of himself and claim that the Turkish military aircraft had penetrated Syrian airspace due to "flying too fast". I guess the arms and thugs that are regularly pouring from Turkey into Syria are also "running too fast", hence being unable to stop before breaching the poorly protected border. Mark my words, until the west manages to strike a deal with Putin on the Syrian question, there will be no no-fly-zones nor invasions, unless someone's really eager to start WWIII, but then again, definitely someone is.
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2012-06-23, 19:50 | Link #109 |
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Still, even Syria is playing down the incident by claiming they shot id down "accidentally", whatever that means. Something to do with how they didn't know what it was, so they shoot it down as a precaution. It seems had they knew it was Turkish they would have tried to handle this peacefully.
Syria knows they can't afford a new enemy right now.
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2012-06-23, 20:13 | Link #110 |
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Please... Syria's enemies, since the beginning of the insurgency, were NATO and pro-western Arab states. Any NATO member today is by default an enemy of Syria. The fact that they're not yet in a state of proclaimed war is thanks to Chinese, Russian and Iranian initiatives in the UN and other political and military sectors, as well as thanks to those Syrians who are actively fighting the massive information war that has been waged against their country. The lack of NATO's acclaimed military involvement in the conflict does not discard the fact that the insurgency is receiving finances, intelligence, arms and manpower from abroad.
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2012-06-23, 20:32 | Link #111 | |
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I will believe you are right if Syria demand an apology from Turkey. Which they have not done.
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2012-06-24, 00:14 | Link #112 |
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Actually from what I heard, it was Syria who apologized.
And also, that Russia and NATO are coming into terms with the inevitable and making plans so as to allow Assad to leave peacefully and avoid turning his country into Somalia. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hes-power.html
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2012-06-24, 01:16 | Link #113 | |
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1. Syria was economically blocked and can't make money. 2. Russia was selling arms to Syria. 3. Russia is not getting back their money. 4. US was giving away arms to the Syrian rebels without getting any money or oil deal back. Glad to see there are still sensible people working in the administrations of the Cold War foes.
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2012-06-24, 01:19 | Link #114 | |
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In the other recent Middle East civil wars, the ruler's army generally stayed in one piece. But in Syria's case the army itself is crumbling from a lack of loyalty. Seriously, that's what happens when the ruler is from an ethnic minority. Not enough people liked him.
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As far as I know the plane was identified as Turkish only after it was downed, hence the apology. However, I've also read controversy about that.
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If Assad's military would be prone to desertion, it would have done so long ago. Yet he's standing firm for over a year now. A stolen airplane and several reports of those defecting is but a needle in a haystack.
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They want to sell them, not to give them away ...
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2012-06-27, 22:50 | Link #117 |
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Syria shot at second Turkish jet, Ankara claims:
"Turkey has sharply raised the stakes in a military standoff with Syria, claiming one of its search and rescue planes was shot at as it tried to find a Turkish jet shot down on Friday by Syrian gunners. Bülent Arınç, the deputy prime minister, said the rescue plane had been attacked as it flew over the Mediterranean searching for two pilots. The claim undermines Damascus's insistence that the first jet was attacked due to mistaken identity." See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...sh-plane-claim |
2012-06-28, 05:08 | Link #120 |
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Exclusive: Russia backs Annan idea of Syria unity government: envoys
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85Q1TE20120628
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