Guilty Crown - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Texas84]

Best episode by far. It gets a 10 just because of all the Tsugumi time. Someone please make a figure with schoolgirl outfit.

[Allium]

All these "Shuhrer" jokes...

Anyway, this ep was slightly better than the previous one. The students' reactions towards Arisa clearly showed the panic and distress within the school. Seeing badass Shu was particularly refreshing, but, Voids aside, will he be capable enough to lead the entire student body?

Speaking of Voids, that Genomic Resonance Gauge seemed random and out-of-nowhere. I like Tsugumi's Void, it could come in handy. I'm not with Yahiro's Void-ranking system as well; the Voids should be used depending on the situation, not the power.

Inori came off as eerie this episode, especially during her confrontation with the students. Though I know she can kill in cold blood, I didn't expect her to actually shoot them and what's more, lie to Shuu about it. The scene made her look more robotic than human, and I wonder if that's foreshadowing something...

Overall, 8/10.

[n120cky]

When shu say "What Gai would do at time like this" what comes to my head was "What lellouch would do at time like this" , I mean with that variant of void there would be vast possibility, and they are going to rebel anyway, I did see some similarities.

I see Yahiro will become a more like strategic guy for me, he create Void rank system which I realized, It's shown a the first OP.

As for President Council stuff, I think being the leader is not always must have a power or even have good strategy, but able to choose what best for his/her people, and I think Arisa has that parameter. So there is no point for Shu to be the leader now.

Overall interesting EP 8/10.

[Shadow5YA]

Am I the only one who finds it funny how unusually sane Daryl is now compared to the first half of the series?

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Am I the only one who finds it funny how unusually sane Daryl is now compared to the first half of the series?

Well he did litterly kill the problems that was plaguing him a few episodes ago.

[ThereminVox]

Originally Posted by hyl

Well he did litterly kill the problems that was plaguing him a few episodes ago.

Pretty much this.

"Daryl solves his problems with an endlave, and he never has the same problem twice."

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Arya

Shu is not yet ready to bear Inori's cruelness
So all the guys gone for the girls, f****** b******* When I saw Inori in the corner I started calling "someone .. kill'em all!! Shu, where the h*** are you??" And I was a bit disappointed they cut the scene, I wanted to see Inori beat them up. I don't know if she lied b/c she knew it was something bad or b/c it was something unimportant.
And then again with Ayase. Shu, what the f*** were you waiting for? Couldn't find a parking? you have been too soft there.

Well, well, very nice episode, Shu is constantly growing up, to the point I fear he will become worse than Gui in emotionless terms. If those death flags are true, he will lose them (emotions) quite soon. Not enough to not say to Inori to show some mercy.
Looking at the end of the OP it seems that Inori is dreaming of trying to kiss Shu, but then she suddenly wakes up. It gave me the feeling of some turnaround, similar to the gui/shu's one, but here Inori will gain her emotions bit by bit in contrast to Shu who will lose them along the road.
I hope they decide to keep the void ranking hidden to the plebs, it isn't a wise idea to reveal each void rank.

I don't think all the thing show in the hope was Inori dream. So I really dubt that Shu come to the point to lose all (or almost all) his emotion.And even in that case you can be sure that the anime will still give us InoriX Shu lol(they have show to much that this is the canon paring to no made it true).
For the last part...I agree is better that the ranking system is keep hidden from the student.

[Gundamx]

...which has one of those custom flash players with no volume control, and buffers worst than real.[/QUOTE]

And? He ask where you watch preview even though there was none in episode 14 and I answer by telling him that they only show preview on their main site.
(Not inside the episode).

Yeah, you can watch the preview (and the episode) in many other site but that was not his question, was it?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by n120cky

When shu say "What Gai would do at time like this" what comes to my head was "What lellouch would do at time like this" , I mean with that variant of void there would be vast possibility, and they are going to rebel anyway, I did see some similarities.

I see Yahiro will become a more like strategic guy for me, he create Void rank system which I realized, It's shown a the first OP.

But what's his rationale for creating a system like that? Setting aside the fishiness of having a single numeric value spat out by a handheld gadget, when the value of a void will obviously depend on circumstance, what point is there in creating a caste system based on that?

(Except maybe to make room for a sequel in which Shu has conquered the world, and some low level guy, or maybe some voidless freak, must rebel against the tyranny of the void value system?)

[blue_sora]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But what's his rationale for creating a system like that? Setting aside the fishiness of having a single numeric value spat out by a handheld gadget, when the value of a void will obviously depend on circumstance, what point is there in creating a caste system based on that?

(Except maybe to make room for a sequel in which Shu has conquered the world, and some low level guy, or maybe some voidless freak, must rebel against the tyranny of the void value system?)

That's why some hoped that it was some ingenious method of Yahiro to screw Shu over for killing his brother, Yahiro doesn't know what he is actually doing and an idiot, or a case of bad writing. Either one of those.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by Soji

I don't think all the thing show in the hope was Inori dream. So I really dubt that Shu come to the point to lose all (or almost all) his emotion.And even in that case you can be sure that the anime will still give us InoriX Shu lol(they have show to much that this is the canon paring to no made it true).
For the last part...I agree is better that the ranking system is keep hidden from the student.

Well, in the end the sequence shows Inori going to giving a kiss to Shu, but then she opens her eyes lain in the grass. Before, when they face pointing their hands to each other Shu, apart from switching quickly his outfit , has a cold look, instead Inori has a begging *reach-me-Shu* look.
But I know that they will give us our pair, I mean, as you say, too many explicit contents here and there.
Back to the grass Inori scene, it would be an easy (not wanted) ending for the show

Reading the CG (code Geass) comparisons I understand that, I myself wrote about that in the prev. episode 3d, but even if the setting at this point looks similar, sort of same goal, "same" chicks, the music is different. I mean CG was a one man show, GC has more of a choral show. I mean, Shu being now the leader is not such a big deal. It is quite obvious. He is a badass -> we are in danger -> he will be the leader. But being a leader and a badass are not related in any way. For that reason usually even charismatic people, or great men have a hell of a staff behind their shoulders. What really need a leader is charisma. Shu is growing up on that, but for all the other things each friend will have a role. Arisa as the previous president has the knowledge of how to administrate a school or manage with everyday duties, Yahiro is the tactician (wanna-be so far, we'll see how he will handle the void ranking), Souta is there to remember that Shu was an annoying but really genuine boy once (three words: kill him fast ), and then the harem. Its role is to be protected. Because, the truth is that Shu didn't care about freedom, he could live a long life inside that school with Inori, Ayase, Hare and Tsugumi, but knowing the circumstances he has to move his (bad)ass.
What his staff is really missing is who think out of the box. But if Tsugumi plays well her many cards we could get Daryl sooner or later.

[Soji]

Anh_Minh@ Indeed not make sense.
Any way It seem I not the only one to think that part of mana is inside Inori now(merge with her) or that Inori begins to gain some Mana’s traits.
Some quote that I read .

Spoiler for spoiler:

suff from RC.

Actually, her statement there and the way she killed those students may suggest that she got possessed by Mana on episode 12. In fact, in certain aspects, she *IS* Mana – so it’s probably not that surprising that she likes Shu.

or always from RC Da5id

Well, at least Inori’s actually starting to gain some Mana’s traits finally. But based on the way they’re manifesting, this would imply:

-Mana’s behavior in the Ep 12 flashback is how she was all the time, not just from the virus
-Inori only “likes” Shu for the same twisted reasons Mana “liked” him
-Shu should probably watch his back. And wear a chastity belt

Also, if it weren’t clear enough that Hare is an Expy for Shirley from Geass, it will be if she dies next episode. Hopefully we can get a flashback to explain why in creation she likes Shu and has enough faith in him to tell him “YOU CAN BECOME KING LOL”.

suff again

Yes I do think Inori likes Shu for the same reason Mana liked him. Notice the reason Mana liked Shu is not revealed – so I think it’s possible that this will develop through Inori.

BTW we are actually not sure if Shu was adopted… it’s possible that ShuXInori is no incest.

I still don't know if this is a good thing or bad .especially from the preview next ep.
Arya@ Good point. I agree with what you wrote.Maybe ...if shu go that way Inori will be a emotional support for him( I know it's so strange wrote this like that...but still ...the op and Ed almost said this)

[winhlp32]

Episode 14:

- The Backstreet Boys had to resort to drastic measures to promote their latest album...

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But what's his rationale for creating a system like that? Setting aside the fishiness of having a single numeric value spat out by a handheld gadget, when the value of a void will obviously depend on circumstance, what point is there in creating a caste system based on that?

(Except maybe to make room for a sequel in which Shu has conquered the world, and some low level guy, or maybe some voidless freak, must rebel against the tyranny of the void value system?)

I can see the rationale, behind it.

This is a pretty serious situation they're in, and as such they need a tight command structure, just like in the military. The Void ranking system is a way of doing that, which has the benefit of being directly related to Shu's leadership. This way it's easier to give orders.

I can't say I agree with it though, there's too much potential for something bad to come of it, including but not limited to the points you mentioned.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Endscape

I can see the rationale, behind it.

This is a pretty serious situation they're in, and as such they need a tight command structure, just like in the military. The Void ranking system is a way of doing that, which has the benefit of being directly related to Shu's leadership. This way it's easier to give orders.

There is of course a need for Shu to delegate authority, and for those subordinate leaders to be accepted by their own subordinates, to have legitimacy.

But how does the void value system accomplish that any better than, say, a shoe size system? Most students are unfamiliar with voids to start with, nobody really understands them at all even at the top, and there's no reason to believe those with a high value void will have the necessary qualities to do their job - while those who do have those qualities may be stuck at the bottom because their voids are weak.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

There is of course a need for Shu to delegate authority, and for those subordinate leaders to be accepted by their own subordinates, to have legitimacy. But how does the void value system accomplish that any better than, say, a shoe size system?

It's because Shu, the leader, possesses the power to draw out Voids that it becomes effective method of delegating authority, since it concentrates the authority solely on Shu, since only he can draw out Voids. In this situation, where the government is slaughtering people, Shu's Void power, which can defeat Endlaves, would certainly be useful from their point of view, thus legitimizing the ranking system, which legitimizes his leadership.

Most students are unfamiliar with voids to start with, nobody really understands them at all even at the top, and there's no reason to believe those with a high value void will have the necessary qualities to do their job - while those who do have those qualities may be stuck at the bottom because their voids are weak.

These concerns are perfectly correct, but in this situation, the mystery of the Voids might mean that no one would question it, just classifying it as a supernatural power and stop thinking from there. The fact that not that long ago, people were being crystallized left, right and centre would certainly add to that.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Endscape

It's because Shu, the leader, possesses the power to draw out Voids that it becomes effective method of delegating authority, since it concentrates the authority solely on Shu, since only he can draw out Voids. In this situation, where the government is slaughtering people, Shu's Void power, which can defeat Endlaves, would certainly be useful from their point of view, thus legitimizing the ranking system, which legitimizes his leadership.

It certainly means that those subleaders are nothing without Shu. But that would also be the case if the reason they were subleaders was just "because Shu said so". And you wouldn't be faced with the problem of unsuitable guys with a big void.

[Soji]

Guys I think we misunderstand something here. If you remember Hare void have more high number than Ayase or Tsugumi .So maybe it's really the right move in the end (if they know how to do in the right way) now that Gai it's not here to help with the void.

[monir]

Pardon the interruption. It will just take a minute:

Those of you who want to talk/speculate about the next episode based on the episode Preview, please use the existing Spoiler/Speculation/Web Preview thread. The way Guilty Crown is going about the episode preview is pretty considerate and builds the maximum anticipation for any fans who don't want to be spoiled even by previews in terms of what to come next. I wish more anime would employ such tactics with episode previews. That's all.

Carry on!

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It certainly means that those subleaders are nothing without Shu. But that would also be the case if the reason they were subleaders was just "because Shu said so".

True, there might be a problem if their authority is seen on solely resting on Shu, after all, Shu's presidency is just beginning, and it's not as if he would or could hand out sanctions to disobedient people. However, the situation and the sheer supernaturalness of Shu's power might counteract this.

And you wouldn't be faced with the problem of unsuitable guys with a big void.

Let's give them a little benefit of the doubt. I don't think they'll put someone completely unfit in any practical position of power just because they have a powerful Void.