Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[cnnydz]

^Metamorphosis loves hecate though.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by cnnydz

^Metamorphosis loves hecate though.

Good point. I don't think that all of Bel Masque is going to survive, though - not unless we get a cliffhanger ending.

[FlameSparkZ]

Well, after seeing this episode, there are a lot of surprises

Still...

Spoiler for Reiji Maigo:

Even with Reiji Maigo removed from inside Yuji, he still has that massive amount of power of existence in him to keep him alive for a while...
It was mentioned that it was the about the same as a King of Guze, wasn't it?

Gotta love cliffhangers

[AzoJason]

Metamorphosis dead would indead be pretty good in my point of view, since
little cute Hecate is FREE!

HecateXYuji

whaha... Would make a nice couple, but not possible, eh?!..

[ThoHell]

Kind of expected that ending/cliff hanger to come. Why does Yuji keep going from strong character to weak? He screamed before anything happened or defending himself.....

[arkxkra]

Spoiler for :

not bad for this episode, very relax. Congratulation to Yuji, become brother soon. Shana is so cute and pure, asking how to "make child", but this was really a good question.

Finally, Ike confess to Yoshida(I thought this part will be remove since it appear in 1st opening).

Final moment, when Yuji decide which way to go, Hecate come out to stop him, she want him as well?.

Reiji Maigo removed, so next 2 episode will fighting for retrieve back the Reiji Maigo, another original ending I guess, less chance to be cliffhanger.

looking forward to next episode.

[metronome]

Originally Posted by Dragon-Emperor

I agree with you there. However, don't you think that if you were a badguy you'd try to be abrupt too? If I were Hecate I'd of materialized infront of Yuuji while he was on the toilet and Shana was at her appartment a long time ago. Much easier that way than when 3 flame haze are flying around him like wasps

Yay for a good antagonist planning for once!

ya, that's why I said it is unexpected but not that surprising
if she wanna do it that way, she could just do it whenever (like you say she could just appear in front of yuuji while he was on the toilet)
they are usually known to have good planned project when they do something, but now what hecate do is kinda "new", something's that they never do before, unexpected and well considering what they are, it is not surprising

[metronome]

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

Ending combos:
Shana - Dead
Hecate - Dead
Metamorphosis - Dead
Yuji X Kazumi
Tanaka X Oga
Margery X Sato
Ike X Wilhelemina ()

Right?

hey that's bad
if shana is dead then why should they call it shakugan no shana? shakugan no yuuji? shakugan no kazumi?

shana - alive
kazumi - alive
yuji - dead

will be much much better. they both need to learn about losing and yuji need to learn about reality

[Dragon-Emperor]

Originally Posted by metronome

ya, that's why I said it is unexpected but not that surprising
if she wanna do it that way, she could just do it whenever (like you say she could just appear in front of yuuji while he was on the toilet)
they are usually known to have good planned project when they do something, but now what hecate do is kinda "new", something's that they never do before, unexpected and well considering what they are, it is not surprising

Considering that is is rather uncharacteristic of Bel Masque, let alone Hecate to do something so out of the blue, I wonder if there's a reason? I mean, back at the end of the school festival it is clear that Hecate meant to 'dispose' of the R.M's carrier (Yuuji) and obtain the R.M.
So now, perhaps Bel Masque is rushed? Maybe they need to get the R.M to the silver before a certain time. Could make sense why the clock keeps being shown in the episode and the opening.
And considering there aren't many episodes left... I'm going to guess that something is going to happen at a certain time (midnight of that day? or the day after? when R.M regenerates existence?) and that will be the deadline for whatever R.M is needed for to happen. And if they're really cruel, that wil also be the very end of episode 24 (C-c-c-cliffhanger!)

(I love the show. I want more seasons, I don't care about the wait. I don't watch it each week hoping for it to 'end'. If I did, I'd just stop watching.)

[CapoExecutor]

Originally Posted by AzoJason

Metamorphosis dead would indead be pretty good in my point of view, since
little cute Hecate is FREE!

HecateXYuji

whaha... Would make a nice couple, but not possible, eh?!..

If the J.C. Staff didn't screw the second season up and give a much better sense of continuity...

...it's very difficult but not impossible.


I thought it could've been worse if the J.C. Staff flopped the second season in the manner similar to how Asmik-Ace flopped Rasen/Spiral (if anyone is familiar with the Ringu series).

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by metronome

hey that's bad
if shana is dead then why should they call it shakugan no shana? shakugan no yuuji? shakugan no kazumi?

shana - alive
kazumi - alive
yuji - dead

will be much much better. they both need to learn about losing and yuji need to learn about reality

Because she's the title character in the story. She's the one whose world the story focuses on. Doesn't mean she needs a happy end.

*Is patiently waiting for subs to write a full review*

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by CapoExecutor

I thought it could've been worse if the J.C. Staff flopped the second season in the manner similar to how Asmik-Ace flopped Rasen/Spiral (if anyone is familiar with the Ringu series).

Just be thankful that they didn't produce two seasons at the same time. But the storyline seemed turbulent so if they want a good sendoff, expand the season with more episodes.
Now J.C. Staff produced the second season sometime after the first season ended so there is still a significant degree of continuity. It's the storyline

[serenade_beta]

Spoiler for ep23 preview summary:

The unworldly "shell" that suddenly appeared in Misaki City.
Shana sensed Yuuji's presence inside it, but both Wilhelmina's ribbons and Margery's Unrestricted Spells could not damage it at all.
Who could perform such a large-scaled attack? From Shana's mouth, the words leak out, "Bal Masque".
But Shana and co. could only guess what was going on inside.
At that moment, Kazumi runs over to Shana.
Shana and co. are shocked by what she says.
At the same time, one pillar of the three pillars of Bal Masque, Hecate, leaves the Midnight Lost Child she stole in front of Yuuji's eyes and tries to ring her great staff "Trigon".

Spoiler for thoughts:

Still nothing about it... Actually, nothing about Yuuji...
As for what Kazumi said that shocked everyone... It could be... about the cross she got from Pheles...

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep23 preview summary:

The unworldly "shell" that suddenly appeared in Misaki City.
Shana sensed Yuuji's presence inside it, but both Wilhelmina's ribbons and Margery's Unrestricted Spells could not damage it at all.
Who could perform such a large-scaled attack? From Shana's mouth, the words leak out, "Bal Masque".
But Shana and co. could only guess what was going on inside.
At that moment, Kazumi runs over to Shana.
Shana and co. are shocked by what she says.
At the same time, one pillar of the three pillars of Bal Masque, Hecate, leaves the Midnight Lost Child she stole in front of Yuuji's eyes and tries to ring her great staff "Trigon".

Spoiler for thoughts:

Still nothing about it... Actually, nothing about Yuuji...
As for what Kazumi said that shocked everyone... It could be... about the cross she got from Pheles...

now wouldn't it be interesting if Pheles suddenly came back.

Guze Girl Squad, go!

[Darknemo2000]

Poeple, we are not getting breast jokes every 8 minutes, we are not getting unexplainable changes in character personalities, they are not skipping entire books and not smashing three books into two episodes while dedicating everything else for one, and we are getting some character development...

In other words this is not ZnT II.

So lets give them a chance before starting complaining, sure changes do not look all that great for me but who knows...



But J.C. Staff do suck. And before anyone tells that they need to rush to get money and KyoAni doesnt, I would say why? Does that mean KyoAni selects the novels/books/mangas that are more popular than J.C Staff thus have almost instant success?

Nope, they are simply doing a great quality in everything they do, they do not screw things up like J.C Staff.

Just look at Kimikiss... Do you even know how popular Kimikiss game in japan is? Kimikiss should have been a great hit judging just on that, but J.C Staff screwed everything changing it from Shounen romance into Josei Drama. Now the sale rates are really low and despite the popularity of the game the anime is a total disaster.

So yeah, we have to admit simple truth - J.C. Staff are simply a mediocre studio, that can survive with Shana or ZnT first season for some time, but they do not have the talent needed to make them a good consistent producers. This year (and year before) is marked with their failures and screw ups much more than with their success.

Still, even if they will never be anything more than mediocre studio they can give us some decent anime from time to time (like Shana). Sure we could say if KyoAni would be working on Shana it would be twice as good (and it is probably true) but sadly they do not, but I cannot say that Shana itself is doing very bad for JC Staff.

It is not as great as first season, and recent changes do look like leading to a ZnT II pathetic ending, but it is still not ZnT II as a whole. It is much much better, so lets hope taht they are not pulling ZnT II ending on us too.

Lets wait and after it ends we can make conclusions if J.C Staff managed to make a fairly good second season or was it just another screw up that follows their string of recent screw-ups.

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Poeple, we are not getting breast jokes every 8 minutes, we are not getting unexplainable changes in character personalities, they are not skipping entire books and not smashing three books into two episodes while dedicating everything else for one, and we are getting some character development...

In other words this is not ZnT II.

So lets give them a chance before starting complaining, sure changes do not look all that great for me but who knows...



But J.C. Staff do suck. And before anyone tells that they need to rush to get money and KyoAni doesnt, I would say why? Does that mean KyoAni selects the novels/books/mangas that are more popular than J.C Staff thus have almost instant success?

Nope, they are simply doing a great quality in everything they do, they do not screw things up like J.C Staff.

Just look at Kimikiss... Do you even know how popular Kimikiss game in japan is? Kimikiss should have been a great hit judging just on that, but J.C Staff screwed everything changing it from Shounen romance into Josei Drama. Now the sale rates are really low and despite the popularity of the game the anime is a total disaster.

So yeah, we have to admit simple truth - J.C. Staff are simply a mediocre studio, that can survive with Shana or ZnT first season for some time, but they do not have the talent needed to make them a good consistent producers. This year (and year before) is marked with their failures and screw ups much more than with their success.

Still, even if they will never be anything more than mediocre studio they can give us some decent anime from time to time (like Shana). Sure we could say if KyoAni would be working on Shana it would be twice as good (and it is probably true) but sadly they do not, but I cannot say that Shana itself is doing very bad for JC Staff.

It is not as great as first season, and recent changes do look like leading to a ZnT II pathetic ending, but it is still not ZnT II as a whole. It is much much better, so lets hope taht they are not pulling ZnT II ending on us too.

Lets wait and after it ends we can make conclusions if J.C Staff managed to make a fairly good second season or was it just another screw up that follows their string of recent screw-ups.

Hey, that's flipflopping. Either pick a side or don't argue at all.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep23 preview summary:

The unworldly "shell" that suddenly appeared in Misaki City.
Shana sensed Yuuji's presence inside it, but both Wilhelmina's ribbons and Margery's Unrestricted Spells could not damage it at all.
Who could perform such a large-scaled attack? From Shana's mouth, the words leak out, "Bal Masque".
But Shana and co. could only guess what was going on inside.
At that moment, Kazumi runs over to Shana.
Shana and co. are shocked by what she says.
At the same time, one pillar of the three pillars of Bal Masque, Hecate, leaves the Midnight Lost Child she stole in front of Yuuji's eyes and tries to ring her great staff "Trigon".

Spoiler for thoughts:

Still nothing about it... Actually, nothing about Yuuji...
As for what Kazumi said that shocked everyone... It could be... about the cross she got from Pheles...

Wait why the hell does Hecate Leave the Reiji Maigo after going through the trouble to steal in from Yuji in the first place...

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

Hey, that's flipflopping. Either pick a side or don't argue at all.

Actually, regardless of whether J.C.Staff is a worthy studio or not, I wonder why they are so inconsistent with their quality. They have good releases and bad releases, and even in a single series, the gap of quality between some episodes is pretty wide. It's not strange for a studio to release good series and have bad series as well, but their quality range from high end to low end...

[CapoExecutor]

Head-on confrontation against the Balle Masque now. If Hecate yanked the Reiji Maigo out of Yuji that easily, why the heck didn't they do that back in Season 1?

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

Actually, regardless of whether J.C.Staff is a worthy studio or not, I wonder why they are so inconsistent with their quality. They have good releases and bad releases, and even in a single series, the gap of quality between some episodes is pretty wide. It's not strange for a studio to release good series and have bad series as well, but their quality range from high end to low end...

I agree on this statement, since in all honesty, what J.C. Staff production was quality before the release of Shana? My comment however was directed to the flip-floppity or the seemingness of the flip-floppity to the comment I hath quoted.