2012-01-19, 22:14 | Link #981 | ||
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If you knew Lelouch Lamperouge, he’s my favorite villain but he’s the main protagonist. He uses his brain and start with shred amount of power of Geass to conquer the world (with good reason) much like Aizen who start chaos with just only his shikai (with unjustified reason). They are both really cool in delivering their principles and plans. This is not yet the dead end for Aizen, there so much more to reveal like his Bankai, his past, his reasons and his finale, doesn’t that make you excited at all?......if not, then I wonder why you read Bleach. There is nothing for me to keep following this series other than that……….and yeah, add up my shipping hahaha…XD I wonder how everyone will react when Aizen returns…...when Aizen returns, please try to appreciate and recognize it that in that time, he proves to us AGAIN how great he is. Quote:
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2012-01-19, 22:19 | Link #982 | |
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2012-01-19, 22:36 | Link #983 |
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^ i understand how you feel, but that's Kubo's style, all we can do is to complain but nothing will change...........let's just wait and see, like i said before, give Aizen a second chance and so hopefully everything can work out.........perhaps, this is just a matter of understanding, pal.
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2012-01-20, 01:22 | Link #984 | |
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2012-01-20, 14:16 | Link #985 |
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people are makeing oc's like Aizen's Reigai in an attempt to rewrite his charater and make him a descently well well written charater
http://arrancarfighter.deviantart.co...2?moodonly=158
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2012-01-20, 15:06 | Link #986 | |
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2012-01-20, 16:00 | Link #987 |
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the oc creators usually do a better job than kubo most days, it just matters what bleach OC universe your following. zanpacto- leader was the first person i saw make a fullbring OC and strangely not only does the artwork look as though thre animators worked on it but the OC's MAKE SENCE! gotta love bleach oc's do you have a fave?
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2012-01-20, 17:21 | Link #988 | ||
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2012-01-20, 18:30 | Link #989 | |
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2012-01-20, 20:39 | Link #990 |
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OC means 'Original Character' usually referring to a made up character by a fan artist. in these cases they are original characters set in the bleach universe and look similar to kubo's style, but are completely fan made and not in any way part of the official bleach universe.
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2012-01-20, 22:24 | Link #991 |
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Thanks for the informative answer. I had a feeling "original character" was what it meant. But to answer the question, I was asked, I'd have to say no. I don't have a favorite OC since I don't follow those types of fanmade works. Though after seeing what Chiisa Kuma posted, I'm very tempted to start checking some more out for myself.
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2012-01-20, 22:40 | Link #992 | |
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2012-01-20, 22:59 | Link #993 |
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I made a HUGE post that took me an hr to write up and find all the referace images for, when i clicked "post" my internet cut out and now all the info on oc's that i typed out is gone i hate when that happens. I'll try and post it again tomorrow, im too tired and angry to try again tonight.
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2012-01-21, 02:21 | Link #994 | ||
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Hell Lelouche is a terrible comparison to bring up with Aizen. Lelouche had more layers to his character and as far as being a villain goes he was flawed. He could make the most brilliant plans but time and again we are showed that his plans are not full proof; At times he would have to desperately make up new plans as he went to compensate for the unforeseen factors or things he underestimated. A Strategist who can create a perfect and flawless plan is unbelievable; a truly great strategist is one who knows how to roll with the fight, using his brains to compensate for the ever changing battle (ofcourse Aizen was so powerful that he never needed to really compensate for the unforeseen). Hell another major flaw was that while he had a great power and had great intelligence, he was still physically weak. He couldn't hold his own in a straight up fight and thus relied on his brains or his subordinates to fight. This is very much unlike Aizen who was perfectly overpowered. He also didn't have any real depth to his character... the closest he got was this whole idea of him secretly wishing he was weaker which just didn't make much sense for him. Quote:
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2012-01-26, 23:02 | Link #995 | |
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Kubo usually goes the former route and has Ichigo lose his power at inopportune times. I was expecting him to do something similar again when Mugetsu failed. It could've been a great twist... Ichigo going from having the fight in the bag to being nearly powerless in an instant. Having nothing but guts and a prayer against an Aizen who was maybe weakened from battle, but still a crazy strong motherf**ker. But no, Urahara swooped in and handled everything with magic. And that's where things ultimately failed for me. As powerful as Ichigo was, he still managed to be utterly ineffective against Aizen. Really, he was just a distraction until Urahara could save the day. That's no treatment for the main character.
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2012-01-27, 00:28 | Link #996 | |
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Unlike Ichigo's bouts against Byakuya and Grimmjow (and even Ulquiorra), the ginormous disparity in power that Ichigo had to close just to rival Aizen's base strength was arguably already greater than the gap Ichigo initially had to close just to rival these other major enemies. Whats more is that none of those major enemies were benefited with several extra power boosts prior to their defeat. So to have Ichigo arrive on the scene more powerful than base Aizen and all the powers he gained (and then would continue to gain throughout the course of the battle) felt unbelievable, disappointing, anti-climactic, and confusing, among many other things. As for Aizen's defeat, that whole mess has the potential to become another debate in and of itself TBH. From the way I view it, thanks to the question Ichigo proposed to Urahara in the next chapter on top of the things Kubo confirmed in the databooks, I've become one of those readers who finds it difficult to give more credit over the other to either Ichigo or Urahara. Because had Aizen not subconsciously desired to lose his powers after Ichigo sacrificed his own, who's to say he would've been weakened enough for Urahara's Kido to take effect? So assuming the hogyouku really did merely grant Aizen's wish, then Urahara's role becomes more irrelevant. Because regardless of Urahara's actions, Aizen would've been left completely powerless (except for his immortality) either way. And with no shinigami or hollow powers left, he was getting captured sooner or later without a doubt. |
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Not that aren't exceptions, but a lot of the times the hero's not going show up after a huge power-up and merely get by, even if just fighting on par with the opponent should be a huge feat in itself. In Ichigo's case all the reasonably strong subordinates who might've made a good showcase of his increased strength were already dead. So Aizen himself was made the punchingbag. Quote:
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The only good parts of the final Aizen/Ichigo fight were Mugetsu's design and to finally see Aizen lose his cocky arrogant tone and actually shit himself when he realised he couldn't just make it all go away with one swing of his sword anymore
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One thing I would like to mention, although many people probably already have, is that Ichigo is one of the weakest main characters, that I know. He is just too passive. All his actions are in fact reactionary measures that are more or less dictated by his enemies. There is no overall goal and no inherent conflict that needs to be overcome. But those are elemental parts of a good story. A good story is driven by a central conflict, caused by a protagonist's goal and inevitable opposing forces. Well, it certainly does not have to be that way, necessarily. I'm not saying that a story needs to follow a specific scheme, but there's a reason why so many good movies, comics and games do. Look at One Piece for example. The main character has a goal. And that goal is not something that only appears as the result of a bad guy showing up and threatening the people you love. No, it is an active goal, something that the character wants to achieve regardless. Obviously for Luffy, that is becoming the king of pirates. This goal in and of itself poses a strong conflict for the story. Becoming the king of pirates requires becoming more succesful than your competitors and of course turning on the marines and therefore the law. In order to achieve his goal, the main character has to become a criminal. We know this from the first episode on. And from that first episode on, this conflic suggests that there will have to be great sacrifices. Knowing this is what makes a story interesting. And finding out how a character learns to overcome this conflict (or fails to do so) is what makes the character interesting. Now look at Bleach. What is the underlying goal of it all, where is the essential conflict, that goes beyond just defeating the bad guys, which is part of nearly any action series, and therefore not especially interesting in and of itself? I certainly can't find one. One might argue that a 15 year old boy trying to face those overwhelming responsibilities as a shinigami is the essential conflict. And maybe it is. But That's a pretty poor one in my opinion. It may fill a movie, but not a 500+ chapters series, especially not when with every new friend he makes and with every new foe he forces, this struggle is starting to begin anew.
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