2011-06-18, 21:50 | Link #3002 | |
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Ah whatever, it doesn't really matter, nuances this deep does not affect the canon. |
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2011-06-18, 22:19 | Link #3003 | |
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However, if you are "summoned" by Alaya to be a CG you will remember your experience as a CG albeit only vaguely. Speculation: This means that if a HS theoretically "could" accept an offer as a CG from Alaya, they would remember their time as a CG murdering people. Not that they'ed ever do that of course >.> |
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2011-06-23, 03:11 | Link #3005 |
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What you mean I am the bone of my sword? Which version Shirou or Archer's?
Either way I think the literal translation gives the best insight. Archer's literal. His body is made out of swords His blood is of iron and his heart of glass He survived through countless battles Not even once retreating Not even once being understood He was always alone Intoxicated with victory in a hill of swords Thus, his life has no meaning That body was certainly made out of swords Shirou's His body is made out of swords His blood is of iron and his heart of glass He survived through countless battles Not even once retreating Not even once being victorious The bearer lies here alone Forging iron in a hill of swords Thus, my life needs no meaning This body is made out infinite swords Each poem has a physical and symbolic meaning. Both their bodies are infact pretty much made out of swords(whenever they get damaged their flesh is covered or held together by millions of swords). The symbolic meaning of course is that they are both very resistent mentally. They both chased after impossible dreams and can weather the mental and physical hardship that paths requires. The divergence between the two poems is the "not even once being victorious"/"Not once being understood". This is also the diverging place of Shirou's and Archer's ideals. It's pretty much up to personal interepretation what this means but I personally think it means partly that noone else could actually understand Archer's desire to be as selfless as he was but also Archer always thought in the here and now, he never once actually thought through his ideal until the end. So he couldn't understand why people mocked him and treated him so. Shirou on the otherhand thanks to Archer saw the inevitable end of his ideal and realised that he can never be victorious, he can never achieve his ideal. The conclusion each version of Shirou came about their ideals is the last two lines. Archer discovered that no matter how many battles he won, no matter what sacrifices he made that he would never be able to achieve his ideal. He would never be able to put shape to his mind and permanently force his ideal upon reality. Whatever he did would be temporary much like his projections and be denied by reality and so he considers his life and his path pointless. Shirou on the other hand has come to terms with the fact his ideal is unachievable, but he believes actualising the ideal wasn't really the point of the ideal at all. The point was that he thought it would be beautiful if he could live a selfless life. That there is nothing wrong with chasing an impossible ideal if it encompasses all that he believes to be right. It doesn't matter if he doesn't reach his ideal, because if he keeps chasing it he will reach somewhere. His ideal like his projections may not have a real meaning as in the end it's only temporary, but he doesn't need one as he simply wants to help people even if it's not a permanent solution. A life dedicated to selflessness, cannot be wrong. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-06-24 at 10:18. |
2011-06-23, 21:09 | Link #3006 | |
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This explanation is flawless. As close to the original(NaSU) like no other. What about the twin swords? Kansho and Bakuya? What is the significance of the speech that accompanies them? |
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2011-06-24, 18:52 | Link #3009 |
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the speech that accompanies the twin swords is as follows: 鶴翼欠落不 心技泰山至 心技黄河渡 唯名別天納 両雄共命別 which means: Spirit and technique, flawless and firm Our strength rips the mountains Our swords split the water Our names reach the imperial villa The two of us cannot hold heavens together —Two great men, sharing a life. *From the TM wikia* @Tiresias When a servant is in spirit form, only the caster class can detect them. I think other master/servants cant as shown when tohsaka and archer was surprised by their first encounter of Lancer at the school. |
2011-06-24, 22:04 | Link #3010 | |
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2011-06-25, 13:02 | Link #3011 |
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Apart from the heaven's feel bad end, i think there might've been one other part where this chant was written, not sure where though.
no no, i never said they needed to be said, i just said they went along with the swords |
2011-07-04, 09:46 | Link #3014 | |
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I'd prefer to call that as a "trick" attack using the blade's attraction toward each other. Ended with a final blow from a reinforced Kansho and Bakuya. |
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2011-07-07, 05:48 | Link #3017 |
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Shoot, right, I should've read further back. When I saw "the chant" I thought people were talking about the UBW chant.
Yeah, I remember those lines in HF. I'd have to play the scene again but if extra material says it's required then I guess it's required. |
2011-07-07, 05:49 | Link #3018 | |
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Anyway anyone else think Shirou's mind is linked to Akasha or more specifically the Throne of Heroe's kinda like Shiki's brain is linked to Akasha which is how he uses MEoDP. I mean the guy can copy all of the previous owners of NP techniques, as well as instantly know all the inner workings of a NP at a glance. This is stuff that can only be obtained from the Throne of Heroes. Even Gilgamesh can't copy the previous owners techniques although he can use the NP abilities. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-07-07 at 06:05. |
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2011-07-07, 23:40 | Link #3019 | |
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2011-07-08, 10:09 | Link #3020 |
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True but Throne of heroes is in Akasha and when he copies Archer's abilities through that ability using Archer's arm he is technically taking the abilities of someone from the future. So his copying ability could be said to be timeless since he's copying techniques from the future.
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