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Originally Posted by achirist
I can't believe how ridiculous, stupid, and insane the scene with Tomoya and his grandmother was. Beyond the conventional morality ignorantly displayed, it is clear to me that Tomoya made the right decision; his father did not. His father was terrible, was an abusive, neglectful, depressive alcoholic, and there really is no excuse for that since he also insisted on taking his child along that road with him and ruining Tomoya's life. This episode tells you that you are supposed to ignore endless years of abuse and hatred in favor of a single moment when the parents were nice. If someone isn't fit to raise a child, then they shouldn't, and shouldn't have to either; but Tomoya has been completely denied an emotional life, first by his father and grandmother, and then by Nagisa's cruel, ignorant decision to insist on having a child when there was a high chance she would not survive with it. Perhaps she could have remembered that Tomoya's mother died when he was very young, and thus that her dying like that could have a huge impact on him, and held back. Perhaps she could have also tried to understand more fully that his father was abusive and stop with the petty moralizing. But no, instead of young people living free lives and experiencing their emotions, we have a shrine to abusive families; and the delusion that because they bought you candy and 'worked hard' (but not at building social change and better working conditions) everything they did to you as a child was excusable.
Tomoya should have fallen in love with another of the girls after Nagisa died, and gone far, far away.
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No man, this is a terribly harsh view. You're extremely hateful of people who make mistakes. Tomoya giving Ushio to Sanae and Akio was a good idea because Tomoya was a complete wreck after Nagisa passing away, but Naoyuki keeping Tomoya after his wife died was ALSO a good idea because he understood what it meant to be Tomoya's father.... Well, I mean, that was
the whole point of this episode! With your own eyes, watching Tomoya's memories of Naoyuki, you're supposed to see this as true. I'm confounded as to how you are now calling this whole episode bullshit.
Because Tomoya was young, Naoyuki had to stay strong, and he DID stay strong until that year where Tomoya became old enough to choose his own path (able to make sound decisions?). In that same year he had lost many other things, he became aggressive with Tomoya and injured him, then after that regretted this mistake and begun to treat Tomoya like a stranger, ENDING the physical abuse and replacing it with an emotional misunderstanding, which I would not call Naoyuki treating Tomoya as a stranger to be emotional abuse.
The Grandmother says that after Naoyuki lost his wife "still Naoyuki had not fallen into despair". The question now is when did he fall into despair then? I have linked his despair with him becoming alcoholic. Maybe you don't see them as a link and that Naoyuki was alcoholic early after his wife died. I cannot believe that Naoyuki was an abusive alcoholic until after the time that he had lost the other things dear to him. Why in the
hell would his mother want to be proud of him if it were the case that Naoyuki was always an abusive, drunk, asshole? We don't know if Naoyuki necessarily broke Tomoya's shoulder around the same time that he lost everything and became alcoholic, it could be that he was an abusive alcoholic for years before the actual incident happened.
I chose to believe that the incident was shortly after the losses where Naoyuki's pain was at a climax (time heals painful memories (my experience), but given very little time, not much has healed yet). But you choose to believe it as the drinking started years before the incident, thus giving Tomoya many years of abuse, where it would have just been better for Naoyuki to forfeit Tomoya to someone else.
Since we don't have the full details we're open to believe whatever we want out of it. If you honestly believe the worst case scenario of Naoyuki abusing Tomoya for many years, then
damn it: I have nothing to say about that. I don't like unfit parents as much as the next guy, but I would never believe that the man who took his child home with a smile was an unfit parent.
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Nagisa was cruel and ignorant to insist on having the child?! Because her death could have had a huge impact on Tomoya?!?
COWARD!!! With %100 of my emotion, at the top of my lungs I yell cowardice! How can you even say that! That Tomoya should never have children because that opened the possibility that it might hurt him any worst than it hurts another person?! It was not a high chance at all, you confuse the certainty of it happening in a drama series with the small chance of it happening in a more realistic scenario. The characters contained in this drama make decisions based on a realistic scenario to them. Now I live my life every day to its fullest as most people here would also say about themselves; we don't know when something bad will happen but that will never stop us from leaving our safe place in order to make ourselves and the people we love happy. Don't live in a bubble just because you're afraid something bad will happen... I don't need to tell you this shit, since you know it already, but there I said it anyways.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm making an emotional argument here instead of a logical one, but there are things that I just am not good enough to string into a logical argument yet. If Nagisa held back her desire to have the child or aborted the child very early, I would have lost all respect for her, and she would be no different from that day at the bottom of the hill. I don't care how cute she is or how loving she is had been up to that point, she would have been nothing but a coward at life.
