2004-08-10, 11:13 | Link #41 | |
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And no, my work isn't perfect, or the best quality. There are several groups I know who consistently do better than anything I've ever accomplished. The difference is that I actually strive to improve my subtitling job, whereas the general attitude here is "let's just toss some shit out as long as it's fast." |
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2004-08-10, 12:00 | Link #42 | |
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Thus, if you're just starting out, I don't expect perfect subtitles. However, if you flaunt your ego and/or refuse to listen to constructive criticism, then are you really going to get better and will it really be worth it to watch your work? |
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2004-08-10, 15:13 | Link #43 | |
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Dude thats a totally awesome comic, It totally describes the way I feel. Fansubs aren't for critics they are for fans. People need to start remembering this as well, Fansubs are free, the people that make them are self trained not proffessionally, people talke about proffessionalism in a industry that is technically illegal no matter how we like to sugar coat it, yet people (leeches) act as though its a thriving industry with industry standards. To be honest, what we do is unethical and the only reason none of us have been sued is because of legal restrictions by the japanese companies releasing the series otherwise we would all be in crapville. Stop pmsing over whose work is better and whose is not, I totally dislike what animesuki did recently for naruto release adding questionable quality and so forth to certain releases (most notable naruto), the way I see it is its a fansub and thats it, and as long as its not intended as a parody (example the work of boneyfishjelly on love love) then leeches should get it through their heads that while its not perfect, and its has its share of flaws, guess what its free and I haven't had any training in this field, my translators haven't taken any japanese classes they are just fans themselves, my timers aren't specialist, my typsetters aren't artisit, and I'am not the owner of a multimillion dollar subbing/dubbing company. We are in all respects normal people infact I'll take it one step further, we are pretty much kids, kids that just want to share these series with other kids alike and we don't get paid by doing it, or anything else just the satisfaction of making someone happy and giving back to a community that gave us so much in the past which we couldn't critisize since their was once very few fansubbers, and the ones that were out their released some terrible looking raws, poor translations and editting however we still loved them because they worked tirelessly, Once upon a time being a fansubber meant you had skills, now it simply means your just a group of fools. Anyway its poinless talking to you morons.
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2004-08-10, 16:00 | Link #44 | |
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2004-08-10, 16:55 | Link #46 | |
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2004-08-10, 17:26 | Link #47 | |
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1. Bad subs are better than no subs. Remember when Darth Vader told Luke "I am your father." If you didn't speak English, he might have just said "I will eat your brains now." All we know is that Luke denies everything, then falls. Even if the mis-translation was "Look, I see your father," it would be better. 2. I think constructive criticism with regards to quality are good. They help the subs get better. The crap I've often seen does nothing. If you think you can do better, go ahead and do it and quit complaining about those that are trying. 3. I, too, find it surprising that Animesuki, on no real basis that I can tell, puts warnings about "speedsubs" on certain group's items. I've seen subs come out in one, two, or three days from other groups with no warnings. All or none I say. |
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2004-08-10, 17:44 | Link #48 | |
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2004-08-10, 17:44 | Link #49 |
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1) Read my previous posts on why I disagree. And that is truly an amazingly poor argument with the Star Wars analogy. There is no way in HELL I would accept that "translation" as being better than no translation at all. So please, let's all stop rehashing old arguments if we don't have anything new to add. 2) I do think I can do better (and I usually do do better), but that doesn't mean I can't complain. 3) If you don't like Asuki's warnings about possible crap quality, download those eps anyway and show them all. Or make your own site and DON'T put any warnings. Oh, you don't like responses like that either? Either way, you can still complain about it. |
2004-08-10, 18:06 | Link #50 |
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I think boneyjellyfish made all the relevant arguments way back on page 2. Now we're just rehashing old stuff, making a pointless, yet strangely amusing debate that's been on EVERY OTHER thread on this forum. I call for an admin to lock this thread down so we can move on to rehash these arguments in different threads.
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2004-08-10, 18:08 | Link #51 | |
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Anyway, I agree with aceleader on both of his points. The first being that I am the greatest individual on the entire planet, and the second being that this is getting ridiculous. Animechi was closed, why can't the same thing happen to this thread? Last edited by boneyjellyfish; 2004-08-10 at 18:28. |
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2004-08-10, 18:30 | Link #52 |
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ok- wow- really really sad some people.
I'm just going to go with the people thinking and say They are going out of there way to give you a sub for free. Since when is that a bad thing? They could sit around on their asses and just download the anime like most free-loaders do, but they/he doesn't. Anyways, No body also says you had to download it I applaud his effort and wish his next project goes well. I agree that only people who know japanese well enough to sub them should do it, but I'm not going to flame someone who went out of their way to try to do one of their own lol. Maybe it's because I don't know the rest of the story but the opposing side seems ridicilious. I think they should just shuddup and get something else. |
2004-08-10, 18:39 | Link #54 | |
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2004-08-10, 18:46 | Link #55 | |
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2004-08-10, 18:52 | Link #56 | |
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2004-08-10, 18:55 | Link #57 |
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Its cool, I'am gonna be slacking off for the next couple months as is. The new group I work with also has a strict policy on not overloading ourselves with series, and I have lost a bit of interest in making people happy, from now on we only do series we want to and not what leechers ask for, also we do it our way with simple subbs and no fancy Kareoke, at first I was against it however not I realize that it simplifies things and while leechers may which for the fancy effects they can't complain about the quality. The subbs are now fine combed by our Head Translator and A group Leader as well. I also do whatever I can to speed up the proccess of the releases and so forth however for the most part we are as they say in brooklyn just chillin. So to all the asuki haters, If you don't like it don't watch it, if you have a quarell about it then take it up with someone who cares, infact you should form a support group. Long story Short I hope this thread is locked and I hope all you haters realize at some point when your a series that you want to be subbed isn't getting subbed why people won't devote time and effort to it.
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2004-08-10, 19:00 | Link #59 |
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ZOMG YOU ARE ALL SO MEAN
WHO CARES THE FANSUB ISS FREE THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT I dont care if it isn't that accurate or "good" in the eyes of anyone else as long as its ZOZOOOZOZZOOZOOOOOOMMMM fast and I can kinda udnerstand it i dont really care lolz |
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