Animechi Has Been Closed

[Elepsis]

Originally Posted by ChoBaka

If someone came up to you Elepsis (or zalas) and complained that YOUR work wasn't up to THEIR standards, wouldn't that make you feel bad? What is acceptable to you (using YOUR standards) might be complete overkill for someone else, or it might be pure crap to them.

Also, I find it amusing that you are always saying that one should work towards 'perfection' and 'the best quality possible.' Are you referring to your work as being perfect and the best quality? Because if that's the case, I'd find it extremely arrogant.

Yes, if someone came up to me and complained that my work wasn't up to their standards, I'd be disappointed, and try to improve for next episode. This has, however, almost never happened. What I would NOT do is start bitching about how they have no right to complain since I'm taking my time to do this for free anyway. Generally speaking I'm well aware of any errors that do get through our release before anyone else mentions them to me, anyway.

And no, my work isn't perfect, or the best quality. There are several groups I know who consistently do better than anything I've ever accomplished. The difference is that I actually strive to improve my subtitling job, whereas the general attitude here is "let's just toss some shit out as long as it's fast."

[zalas]

Originally Posted by ChoBaka

If someone came up to you Elepsis (or zalas) and complained that YOUR work wasn't up to THEIR standards, wouldn't that make you feel bad? What is acceptable to you (using YOUR standards) might be complete overkill for someone else, or it might be pure crap to them.

Also, I find it amusing that you are always saying that one should work towards 'perfection' and 'the best quality possible.' Are you referring to your work as being perfect and the best quality? Because if that's the case, I'd find it extremely arrogant.

I do get complaints from time to time (hi bay ), and I do try to address them. Sure, it's disappointing to have made some really stupid mistakes, but at least knowing about them will help me correct for them later. Sometimes the complaints aren't really that useful like "you suck," but with constructive ones, I generally try to correct for them to make my work a little bit better. Sure it is not perfect. Nobody's really perfect, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't do my best to make it as good as I can possibly make it. For example, in typesetting, I used to just follow with the crowd and just put fansub credits in without bothering to even look at the original credits, except for maybe style ideas. After some hints here and there, I realized that it was ridiculously stupid not to at least attempt to put in translations for the original credits and double check them with sources for accuracy.

Thus, if you're just starting out, I don't expect perfect subtitles. However, if you flaunt your ego and/or refuse to listen to constructive criticism, then are you really going to get better and will it really be worth it to watch your work?

[ff7799]

Dude thats a totally awesome comic, It totally describes the way I feel. Fansubs aren't for critics they are for fans. People need to start remembering this as well, Fansubs are free, the people that make them are self trained not proffessionally, people talke about proffessionalism in a industry that is technically illegal no matter how we like to sugar coat it, yet people (leeches) act as though its a thriving industry with industry standards. To be honest, what we do is unethical and the only reason none of us have been sued is because of legal restrictions by the japanese companies releasing the series otherwise we would all be in crapville. Stop pmsing over whose work is better and whose is not, I totally dislike what animesuki did recently for naruto release adding questionable quality and so forth to certain releases (most notable naruto), the way I see it is its a fansub and thats it, and as long as its not intended as a parody (example the work of boneyfishjelly on love love) then leeches should get it through their heads that while its not perfect, and its has its share of flaws, guess what its free and I haven't had any training in this field, my translators haven't taken any japanese classes they are just fans themselves, my timers aren't specialist, my typsetters aren't artisit, and I'am not the owner of a multimillion dollar subbing/dubbing company. We are in all respects normal people infact I'll take it one step further, we are pretty much kids, kids that just want to share these series with other kids alike and we don't get paid by doing it, or anything else just the satisfaction of making someone happy and giving back to a community that gave us so much in the past which we couldn't critisize since their was once very few fansubbers, and the ones that were out their released some terrible looking raws, poor translations and editting however we still loved them because they worked tirelessly, Once upon a time being a fansubber meant you had skills, now it simply means your just a group of fools. Anyway its poinless talking to you morons.

Originally Posted by diabolistic

Reminiscent of a Penny-Arcade comic..
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040324l.jpg

[MrMonkey]

Dude thats a totally awesome comic, It totally describes the way I feel. Fansubs aren't for critics they are for fans.

Then it doesn't describe how you feel. That comic was making fun of people saying something "isn't for critics" when people criticise it.

[hamiko_san]

Originally Posted by ff7799

Once upon a time being a fansubber meant you had skills, now it simply means your just a group of fools.

And which one of us started up his own fansub group?

[LordBrian]

Originally Posted by ff7799

leeches should get it through their heads that while its not perfect, and its has its share of flaws, guess what its free and I haven't had any training in this field, my translators haven't taken any japanese classes

No need to state the obvious. But somehow I can't bring myself to blame the leechers for wanting quality. Maybe it's the subbers who need to get it through their heads that just because they can do a slackass job on something doesn't mean everyone will want their stuff.

[Digital]

Originally Posted by LordBrian

You would seriously rather have subs that are completely wrong and a waste of time over watching the raws? That begs the question, why? You can download the raws days or weeks before the actual subs, and if you simply guess what they're saying, then you'd be doing just as well as a poorly translated sub job.

Demand better, don't settle for half-assed work.

A few comments:

1. Bad subs are better than no subs. Remember when Darth Vader told Luke "I am your father." If you didn't speak English, he might have just said "I will eat your brains now." All we know is that Luke denies everything, then falls. Even if the mis-translation was "Look, I see your father," it would be better.

2. I think constructive criticism with regards to quality are good. They help the subs get better. The crap I've often seen does nothing. If you think you can do better, go ahead and do it and quit complaining about those that are trying.

3. I, too, find it surprising that Animesuki, on no real basis that I can tell, puts warnings about "speedsubs" on certain group's items. I've seen subs come out in one, two, or three days from other groups with no warnings. All or none I say.

[Kanna]

Originally Posted by Digital

1. Bad subs are better than no subs. Remember when Darth Vader told Luke "I am your father." If you didn't speak English, he might have just said "I will eat your brains now." All we know is that Luke denies everything, then falls. Even if the mis-translation was "Look, I see your father," it would be better.

Of course there will be NO guarantees that a bad translation will come close to the original dialogue. For all you know, it could be just something random from the translator's head. If I didn't know English and I was translating for people who didn't know it either, I could probably make up something like "Let's have sex." and the people watching will believe me.

[LordBrian]

Digital:

1) Read my previous posts on why I disagree. And that is truly an amazingly poor argument with the Star Wars analogy. There is no way in HELL I would accept that "translation" as being better than no translation at all. So please, let's all stop rehashing old arguments if we don't have anything new to add.

2) I do think I can do better (and I usually do do better), but that doesn't mean I can't complain.

3) If you don't like Asuki's warnings about possible crap quality, download those eps anyway and show them all. Or make your own site and DON'T put any warnings. Oh, you don't like responses like that either? Either way, you can still complain about it.

[aceleader]

I think boneyjellyfish made all the relevant arguments way back on page 2. Now we're just rehashing old stuff, making a pointless, yet strangely amusing debate that's been on EVERY OTHER thread on this forum. I call for an admin to lock this thread down so we can move on to rehash these arguments in different threads.

[boneyjellyfish]

Originally Posted by Digital

1. Bad subs are better than no subs. Remember when Darth Vader told Luke "I am your father." If you didn't speak English, he might have just said "I will eat your brains now." All we know is that Luke denies everything, then falls. Even if the mis-translation was "Look, I see your father," it would be better.

With that argument, I'm sure you would also agree with the statement "JAR's fansubs of Love Love pass as the real thing." They might not have the greatest translations, but because of your reasoning they are equally as good as Animechi's fansubs as far as worth and necessity are concerned. What I mean is that you're basically saying that you don't need to watch a real translation of Love Love if you watch mine because you'll understand the whole story well enough just by watching my version.

Anyway, I agree with aceleader on both of his points. The first being that I am the greatest individual on the entire planet, and the second being that this is getting ridiculous. Animechi was closed, why can't the same thing happen to this thread?

[NarutoHead]

ok- wow- really really sad some people.

I'm just going to go with the people thinking and say

They are going out of there way to give you a sub for free. Since when is that a bad thing? They could sit around on their asses and just download the anime like most free-loaders do, but they/he doesn't.

Anyways, No body also says you had to download it

I applaud his effort and wish his next project goes well. I agree that only people who know japanese well enough to sub them should do it, but I'm not going to flame someone who went out of their way to try to do one of their own lol.

Maybe it's because I don't know the rest of the story but the opposing side seems ridicilious. I think they should just shuddup and get something else.

[LordBrian]

And due to that last post, I will be completely out of character and agree with ace. Please lock the thread, I can't deal with repeating myself anymore.

[Kanna]

Originally Posted by NarutoHead

Anyways, No body also says you had to download it

Nobody says you have to start a fansubbing group, translate a language you aren't proficient in and piss people off to avoid becoming a freeloader either.

[Elepsis]

Originally Posted by NarutoHead

ok- wow- really really sad some people.

I'm just going to go with the people thinking and say

They are going out of there way to give you a sub for free. Since when is that a bad thing? They could sit around on their asses and just download the anime like most free-loaders do, but they/he doesn't.
Maybe it's because I don't know the rest of the story but the opposing side seems ridicilious. I think they should just shuddup and get something else.

Maybe you should try reading the rest of the thread before expressing your uninformed narutard opinion.

[boneyjellyfish]

Originally Posted by Elepsis

Maybe you should try reading the rest of the thread before expressing your uninformed narutard opinion.

Psst... you're not helping the people on your side of the argument very much, Elepsis!

[ff7799]

Its cool, I'am gonna be slacking off for the next couple months as is. The new group I work with also has a strict policy on not overloading ourselves with series, and I have lost a bit of interest in making people happy, from now on we only do series we want to and not what leechers ask for, also we do it our way with simple subbs and no fancy Kareoke, at first I was against it however not I realize that it simplifies things and while leechers may which for the fancy effects they can't complain about the quality. The subbs are now fine combed by our Head Translator and A group Leader as well. I also do whatever I can to speed up the proccess of the releases and so forth however for the most part we are as they say in brooklyn just chillin. So to all the asuki haters, If you don't like it don't watch it, if you have a quarell about it then take it up with someone who cares, infact you should form a support group. Long story Short I hope this thread is locked and I hope all you haters realize at some point when your a series that you want to be subbed isn't getting subbed why people won't devote time and effort to it.

[Elepsis]

The argument is self-evident enough to not need any of my help. It's just a matter of educating the stupid. :P

[Narutard]

ZOMG YOU ARE ALL SO MEAN

WHO CARES THE FANSUB ISS FREE THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT
I dont care if it isn't that accurate or "good" in the eyes of anyone else as long as its ZOZOOOZOZZOOZOOOOOOMMMM fast and I can kinda udnerstand it i dont really care lolz

[Narutard]

omg.

this elepsiss guy ish so mean
Its free you dont hav to d/l if u dun wan