2004-10-01, 10:54 | Link #22 | |
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About the debate: It seems most of the news channels and major news organizations have deemed Kerry the winner of the debate. The best the more conservative organizations can call it is a draw. ^__^ That's what the Republicans get for placing their boy in front of a live television situation with no script to read from. The man just can't speak. I bet even Dan Quayle could have done a better job defending against Kerry's criticism. What a 'tard. |
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2004-10-01, 11:42 | Link #24 |
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Kerry won.
At least in the eyes of the undecided voters. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646712.shtml On the other hand, Halloween says otherwise! Oh the dilemma! Last edited by MikoKikyo; 2004-10-01 at 14:58. |
2004-10-01, 11:49 | Link #25 | |
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UPDATE! ! ! A good buddy in IRC found this text version: http://wikisource.org/wiki/2004_U.S....-_September_30 But it obviously doesn't illustrate how befuddled Dubbya was when attempting to rebut Kerry's criticism. Last edited by Pabs; 2004-10-01 at 12:56. |
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2004-10-01, 12:01 | Link #26 | |
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2004-10-01, 14:46 | Link #27 |
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I'm already voting for Kerry so I'm fairly biased but...
I think Kerry pretty well obviously won that debate, Bush was obviously "off" on his responses. He tended to dodge questions alot and rather than state his own stance he just attacked Kerry, playing the flip-flop card over and over which really probably didn't do much for him. Kerry seemed pretty solid on his defense of his stance on the war and his vote to allow it. Bush lost major points when he brought up that damn missile defense shield crap again too. Just when you think a dumb idea is dead, somebody has to go start sprouting crap again. Thought it seemed stupid when Bush kept responding to alegations by saying that they'd spent "x" amount of money on it. Y'know like that means anything if it didn't work. I so wanted to see Kerry take some jabs at Bush though: Bush:"I admire the fact that he served for 20 years in the Senate. Although I'm not so sure I admire the record." Kerry:"Can't say I admire your four years of bullshit..." Bush:"I won't hold it against him that he went to Yale. " (Bush majored in History w/ a C average) Kerry:"I won't hold it against him that his dad bought him into Yale." (Kerry majored in Political Science) Kudos to Bush for not saying anything about Vietnam or think Kerry may have nailed him on that one. "Actually he forgot about Poland." Oh yes, how could we forget the incredible might of Poland in the war on terror? Wait weren't there news stories about Spain and Poland wanting to pull out of Iraq? Bush didn't mention the dolphins though! Our trained dolphins were forgotten, what about thier contributions? How about Morocco's land mine detonating monkeys(though I don't think they ever got to to go to Iraq...)? Last edited by Sanjuronord; 2004-10-01 at 14:58. |
2004-10-01, 15:00 | Link #28 | |
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Living in Europe, I obviously get an incomplete view on both candidates and their policies, so i was really interested in the debate. i saw only a part of it since it was being broadcasted at 2 am - 4 am and I had to go to work at 8
The first thing I'd like to point out is : many people mentioned that Bush spoke with long pauses and that makes him look bad. I think we should remember that the ability to speak in public isn't the one that really matters, it's the ability to lead the country which is important!. So I say, let him pause and stutter, let him make sometimes ankward sentences, but let us debate his opinions and views rather than looks. The one thing I noticed during the debate is that neither Bush nor Kerry really has any long term plans for Iraq (Personally I think the invasion was a bad idea). Kerry seems to want to draw out the troops as soon as possible, this is about the worst thing you can do at this moment. If the US troops leave now, Iraq will fall to civil war and destabalise the entire region, which will lead to an economic disaster all over the world due to oil availability being seriously threatened. A good point from Kerry was to get the UN involved. At least they may still have some credibility left with the Iraqi people. The UN combined with US troops in the background might be able to turn the situation around. Another issue mentioned is that the war on terrorism wasn't supposed to be fought in Iraq. Kerry surely has a point there, however at the current time, this is no longer the case, Iraq is crammed with terrorists. There was only one thing that did scare me, Bush never denied that he wouldn't invade another country pre-emptively, I hope he doesn't start another war. Bush or Kerry, for me it's a hard choice, I don't really like Bush, but I don't trust Kerry at all, he changes his opinions on any subject to the position that gets more votes. With Bush we know what to expect, with Kerry.... who knows what he'll do, he keeps switching sides faster than the weather . PS Quote:
About Spain : Madrid got bombed 3 days before national elections (200 ppl died that day ) Due to this bombing the people in Spain suddenly changed their votes to a party which was against the war, while before the bombing the pro-US faction was in lead. So terrorism right before an election is what caused spain to drop out, not Bush . |
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2004-10-01, 16:33 | Link #29 | |
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2004-10-01, 17:46 | Link #30 |
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kerry might have won the debate but bush will win the election. i was really surprised when kerry came out not looking like some ripe pumpkin. i wonder how he got the orange out of his face. anyways, when it comes to policy, bush made the mistake of going into iraq, but he at least continued on as best as situations could allow and didn't change his views in the middle of his term in office. that has to be the biggest reason for me not wanting kerry to win, i do not know what i am going to get if he goes into office.
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2004-10-01, 19:24 | Link #32 | |
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Need to register, it's free, you can see the entire debate in text and in video form, right now it's on the right most column. |
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2004-10-01, 22:28 | Link #33 | |
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2004-10-02, 21:57 | Link #35 | |
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2004-10-03, 00:00 | Link #36 |
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I was amazed with Bush's performance: he seemed to be slightly smarter than what I hear from EVERYONE! It would be hard to decide who won because both of them are losers. I haven't seen such vagueness from ANYONE in such a considerable amount of time. Like I said, both a losers, when it comes to politics...
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2004-10-03, 00:06 | Link #37 |
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Anyone who votes for Bush has no right to complain about how shitty things are in the US. If you vote for him you are voting to leave things the way they are. And if you think things are fine now then you are so far beyond help how you vote won't matter anyway.
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2004-10-03, 22:02 | Link #38 | |
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2004-10-03, 22:57 | Link #39 |
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Kerry won the debate, but that doesn't mean anything. It is possible to lose a debate and win the people.
Bush makes strategic use of emotional blackmail, psychological poking of people's fears, and ad hominem. There's been a study done where people's support for Bush policies abnormally increased after being reminded of terrorism and subjected to images and/or descriptions of it. Basically, he's got a soft spot in the people in 9/11, and he knows it. He's more clever than he lets on. I'm of the odd position that wants Kerry to win, but believes Bush will. Oh well. The people shall speak on Election Day. |
2004-10-04, 02:25 | Link #40 |
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The way I saw it, Bush's primary modes of attack were dominantly flawed by his excessive use of logical fallacies, that is, his constant appeal to pity and fear, and by his non-sensical and inane anecdotes (what the HELL was up with the whole "it is not RIGHT to insult such a brave and courageous leader" crap?). Also, Bush's failure to address Kerry (or the panel's) questions led me to wonder, what the HELL was Bush writing on his sheet of paper? I'm pretty sure he was just listening to Kerry talk, copying the big words he used, such as: Weapons of Mass Destruction, Proliferation, and The.
Kerry made many strong points, though his obvious hubris toward's Bush's inadequacies marred his overall performance. You could see Kerry trying to stiffle his laughter throughout the entire debate. Though, I must give Kerry kudos for his response when asked what he thought of his opponent. While Bush drivelled more nonsense about his daughters, Kerry responded with "it is none of my business," which I thought was the more appropriate answer. long story short.. Kerry: Bush is a real big idiot, I've got numbers and big words to backup my prepositions. See here? over 50 billion zillion dollars were lost in the time you started this war on terror, while we could have spent that money on providing shelter and education to orphans or something. I'm not saying that the war is bad, but the way you are going about with the war is incomprehensibly dumb, you stupid stupid man. *smirk smirk* Bush: Ya, uhhhhhh well the lady in New Hampshire, who lost her uhhhhhhhh son in the war against those Evil Terrorists, told me after uhhhhhhhh we prayed and laughed and had some delicious lemon pie uhhhhhhhhhh that was bought from the all-american store down on uhhhhhhhh Freedom Street, that she supported my uhhhhhhhhh war. Also, I will uhhh repeat your big words in hopes that I appear like I know what I'm babbling about. MY uhhhhhhh CONVICTIONS ARE STRONG!
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