2013-03-20, 14:22 | Link #5101 |
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Not really a bad plan to follow PanzerIII, If Miho wants to lure Black Forest to fight in the urban area, anything that running/sneaking inside the area itself is danger for Ooarai.
Who the hell will normally park MAUS in the area like that, anyway.
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2013-03-20, 14:34 | Link #5102 | |
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So not even the KV-2 (the one Yukari called the giant) would had dent the Maus? |
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2013-03-20, 14:39 | Link #5103 | ||
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In more words: The Soviets probably could have dealt with the Maus with very heavy artillery fire, heavy rockets, or aircraft bombing it. I don't know what the top armor is like on the Maus, but there appear to be lots of vents up there. Pravda on the other hand....not a single hope for tanks up to August 15, 1945. I'm not sure the guns on the SU-100Y Self-Propelled Gun, or ISU-152 can penetrate a minimum of 190 mm of german steel with the rounds they used during the war (as oppose to some of the things they didn't use or came up with after the war).
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2013-03-20, 18:29 | Link #5104 | |
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If you check the penetration values for the 122 mm D25 and M1938 guns, the HEAT round available would be able to (if just barely) penetrate the front and side hull armour, so it would be possible to kill a Maus with maneuvering and flanking attacks. The American M3 tank gun could do the same plus the turret armour if using HVAP, although the T15E2 is a better choice for that. Guns that would work almost certainly would be the 120 mm T53 and 155 mm T7 guns on the T29 and T30 (using HVAP), looking at these tables. |
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2013-03-20, 19:03 | Link #5105 |
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The HEAT penetration specifies it as post war shells that could make it to 200mm, with the in war version only going in 160mm.
Their 122mm APCBC and 100mm (D-10) BR-412 APHE shells might penetrate at point blank range. Which means the IS-2 and SU-122 are about all they can use. Maybe the SU-100 and SU-100Y. And all those are iffy. The SU-100 might be their best chance without resorting to post-war HEAT specs. Or they purchase a Tiger II. That long 88mm will punch a Maus at at least reasonable ranges.
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2013-03-20, 20:14 | Link #5106 |
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8.8 cm KwK 43 should Penetrate the Maus from the rear at around 1km or so. Frontally at around 500m. Honestly, you pretty much should have another one of these 128mm gun touting tanks such as the Jagdtiger to realistically engage the Maus frontally from 1km.
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2013-03-20, 20:26 | Link #5107 | ||
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According to other sites, The BR-460A 122mm HEAT was in service by 1944, so they could have used that. There was also a BR-540 152mm HEAT that "wasn't used during the war", but then neither was the Maus. But then, for the heavy Soviet guns, they often rely less on penetration than spalling or moving the enemy's turret with the sheer force and momentum of the round, so they might try that against the Maus. By the way, let this be a lesson to world leaders. Occasionally, make a completely impractical weapon or weapon with stats you know you couldn't make work. Just make one and test it just once or twice. In some far off game in the far off future, someone might just be willing to credit it as a legitimate and historical weapon from your country... Quote:
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2013-03-20, 20:52 | Link #5108 | |
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I know the guys who did the research for that page and their source materials for that matter also, so I'm more than willing to trust the posted values, especially since they've been compiling tank and other military hardware data since the 1990's or earlier (some contributors also being engineers or ex-military). |
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2013-03-20, 21:16 | Link #5111 |
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Very hard to accomplish. The enemy isn't generally going to sit there and let you pound away at them, and if you're smart you're not going to be sitting there to let them not let you do so. As a result, getting repeated hits on the same spot is a very difficult proposition.
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2013-03-20, 21:21 | Link #5112 | ||
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2013-03-20, 21:32 | Link #5114 | |
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The most effective round Ooari could use against the Maus? Paint. A blind Maus is an ineffective Maus. 3 blind Maus, see how they run (through buildings).... |
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2013-03-20, 21:59 | Link #5116 |
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On repeated hits to the same spot: You might be able to do it with an Abrams, a Leopard 2 or a Type-10, but it wouldn't be easy, even with that super accurate gun, gyro-stabilisation, and laser rangefinder. Though I'd think the silver bullet sabot shells they're carrying would be able to hurt the Maus.
Especially since the way the Maus showed up and then wasn't (initially) able to fire was because its gun was blocked by someone's house.
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2013-03-20, 22:45 | Link #5118 | ||
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2013-03-20, 22:45 | Link #5119 | |
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I think it's clear that whatever interpretation we may want to draw from the analysis of the team's onscreen actions, that from a dramatic perspective we're meant to respect Black Forest both for their record, their traditional skills, and their equipment (goody goody, german toys!). Ooarai's eventual triumph requires that Black Forest be a worthy opponent for their unorthodox tactics and unique team fighting spirit.
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