Macross Frontier 2nd Movie: Sayonara no Tsubasa

[magnuskn]

Very nice. Thanks, darkplataform.

[LoveMeKags]

First, let me just say: gonna cry. These pics are beautiful, darkplataform.

Spoiler for pics:

Alto's yelling at Ranka, it looks like. It's actually kinda cute. And, as usual, Sheryl stares with that blank expression. Same face from Ep15. And Alto looks very manly. Ranka can see it but Sheryl seems to be just taking in the view of a boy playing "dress up" whilst Ranka seems to be saying "whoa, you look so handsome!" and he yells at her. How funny. (I'm talking about the pic, not the movie itself.)

Honestly, I feel sorry for Sheryl, in a LOT of ways. But this scene... where the HELL is Grace? NO ONE hears her coughing? She doesn't call for help. These are the reasons I dislike Sheryl a lot. She's in pain, coughing up blood, yet doesn't call for help or not. Then she EXPECTS Alto to come to her side. That's not right.

Ranka-chan!
This scene is so cute and makes me understand all the teddy bear art between SherriRan on Pixiv lately. It's adorable that Ranka is trying to cheer up Sheryl.

If... if you're gonna pass out... wait, this is from the cell... isn't it?

She's back! I know that this scene comes from the final battle area. You know, somehow, I assume this is when she sings "Northern Cross" to start the final battle sequence.

Am I the ONLY one wondering who she's staring at? I mean, I think it's Alto, but it could be Ozma too. As she shows up with Ozma, ya know what I mean? But I love this picture of her. It shows off her very beautiful complexion in nighttime, but it also makes me despise the machine behind her.

Honestly, this scene is melancholy. It's kinda like something out of a fantasy movie where the woman suddenly realizes she's trapped. Me, I think she's staring at Grace.


A cute scene, yes; but I dislike how uncomfortable SHERYL is. And, from the blurry picture, Alto doesn't look as interested as everyone says. Perhaps I should see that whole scene.

Honestly, Alto, what WON'T you wear? At ANY time!?

What I love about the PV of this: Alto starts out in the background, dancing with Ranka's singing, then he suddenly vanishes off the stage halfway through. I was like "Alto?" "Where'd you go?" Thank god I was spoiled that the concert was so Alto could rescue Sheryl. But that was funny.

This scene... there was something I noticed about it. Remember the trailer? One scene looks familiar and they're wearing the same clothes, but all in white, like it's hidden:

Spoiler for movie trailer version of the wing scene:

I guess Kawamori wanted to pull ONE LAST troll and not show us the costumes. Because, up until the movie came out, I thought they were both in wedding dresses and Alto picks one of them to marry, ya know? So, there's a troll right there.

Ya know, I could never understand why - in the mists of battle - they always smile while singing, even if something's not going right, especially in Ep25. It's stupid. Only SHERYL - in Ep24 - was upset when she thought Alto was in trouble. Then Ranka comes back and even though there's trouble, they smile. It's really weird, because they should be showing some other emotion. This is part of the reason why I think Nakajima sings the way she does, because when she's look at Ranka, all she sees is the smiling face; no sadness, up until Ep19-21. And May'n, well, she's seen ALL sides of Sheryl; so of course she can pull of the sadness melody; but in the movie, she sounds HAPPY when singing. So, I think they should NOT be smiling for the finale.


Brera...
Why is Ranka glowing?
...don't tell me Jesus!Ranka returned... it's the same glow.

Thanks again for the pics! I just thought I'd give ya a little fun with reading my opinion. No, I'm not assuming things, I'm just going off their facial expressions.

The "caught in the act" expression doesn't do justice to this movie.

[darkplataform]

moar!!

Spoiler for .:

same warning as before

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Spoiler for finale:

[raile]

As usual, some people are over-analyzing things.

Anyway, thank you very much again, darkaplatform!

Spoiler for On the finale:

That explains the album art.

[Lancel]

Once again, I'm going to actually wait to see the movie to make any kind of analysis (although she's looking at Grace, as opposed to staring at Hime), though some of this has set up theories. The glow around Ranka could be the most telling thing of the ending.

Also, that explosion is awesome.

[SS13]

Originally Posted by Thess

Triangle is over. Being in denial is kind of saddening. You can still write fanfiction, enjoy pretty fanart and doujin... and have speculation if it'll affect the TV series?

Triangle is over... in the movie verse. But after comparing the stories, and especially after taking into account that there are two novel sets, and two
manga sets, and the last "Kiss of the Galaxy" manga (see manga thread), one can only arrive to the conclusion that the movie verse has nothing to do with
series verse. There simply is no way to reconcile the storylines and charachters (just compare Grace, for example). These are different charachters in a different story (they just so happen to share names), so what happens in the one does not have repercussions for the other. So the

Spoiler for resolution:

choice of Alto in the movie (and his ultimate fate)

has no effect on Choice of Series-verse Alto. So the series' triangle is not over.

Note that it is not uncommon for Real-Life-Based movies to overdramatise the story they are based on ("Saving Private Ryan" and "Effi Briest", for example.)
Thus it is entirely possible that

Spoiler for Resolution:

the tragic end of the movie is tackled on,with the triangle resolution never happening in "actual story"

.

In fact the MAIN ONE reason the second movie is so irritating is that it doesn't look like a last part. The movie would work great... as second part of a trilogy, with the ending providing a hook. Just imagine Lucas would stop Star Wars at "Empire Strikes Back"- he would get the same irritation. And if the movie story continues (say, inside of MF universe),

Spoiler for WhatIf:

the triangle may well be "Unresolved" - because obviously Ranka would search for Alto, with all consequences.

Another irritating point is the treatment of Sheryl. I really don't think The Aru/Sherry shippers are happy with the movie.

Spoiler for WTF:

Permanent coma (unless Sheryl does wake up by herself - she is a strong character, after all) - is very bad, possibly worse than death. It's not worth winning the triangle.

Spoiler for Further Discussion:

Originally Posted by Somebody

This one means to be the final version, it's a goodbye in a good way. Sheryl who was alone, has met people and she sings because she's no longer alone
anymore. It's a gratitude, farewell song.

Originally Posted by Somebody Else

And she's in a coma.

Except she IS alone now - IF she ever wakes up, she will face the reality of dead Alto and never-forgiving-for-win Ranka. Maybe that's why she doesn't wake up?

As for the damsel in distress thing, she's still seems to be a very badass one? Writing the last song lyrics with her OWN blood on the walls. She's not waiting to be saved alone, it seems, she's being proactive in her duty of songtress.

Yes, and this makes the fact that she needs Alto to wake up all the more annoying. "Oh please Alto, come back and release your sleeping beauty!" Awake Sheryl would NEVER allow herself to hang like that! What happened to her personality?

[Swampstorm]

Hmm... I'm not so sure. I'm fairly awesome myself, yet even I occasionally need some help waking up.

Sheryl looks ridiculously cute in some of those screenshots.

[raile]

Originally Posted by Swampstorm

Hmm... I'm not so sure. I'm fairly awesome myself, yet even I occasionally need some help waking up.

Sheryl looks ridiculously cute in some of those screenshots.

Indeed, most of them make you go HNGHH and D'AAWW.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by SS13

Triangle is over... in the movie verse. But after comparing the stories, and especially after taking into account that there are two novel sets, and two
manga sets, and the last "Kiss of the Galaxy" manga (see manga thread), one can only arrive to the conclusion that the movie verse has nothing to do with
series verse. There simply is no way to reconcile the storylines and charachters (just compare Grace, for example). These are different charachters in a different story (they just so happen to share names), so what happens in the one does not have repercussions for the other. So the

Spoiler for resolution:

choice of Alto in the movie (and his ultimate fate)

has no effect on Choice of Series-verse Alto. So the series' triangle is not over.

Actually yes it is over. You haven't been paying much attention to the interviews if you think that it only applies to the movie verse. It was advertised as the end of the triangle. And even if you do ignore the movie you have Yoshino who was responsible for the tv series who outright said that Alto was more interested in Sheryl than Ranka.

[spoiler]Note that it is not uncommon for Real-Life-Based movies to overdramatise the story they are based on ("Saving Private Ryan" and "Effi Briest", for example.)
Thus it is entirely possible that

Spoiler for Resolution:

the tragic end of the movie is tackled on,with the triangle resolution never happening in "actual story"

.

I really don't understand where your coming across saying this when the tv series ending was the one that was decided on last minute.

Spoiler for for the ending of the movie:

Alto not turning down Ranka in the tv series was actually Yoshino's idea, in fact the entire last episode was Yoshino's idea.

In fact the MAIN ONE reason the second movie is so irritating is that it doesn't look like a last part. The movie would work great... as second part of a trilogy, with the ending providing a hook. Just imagine Lucas would stop Star Wars at "Empire Strikes Back"- he would get the same irritation. And if the movie story continues (say, inside of MF universe),

Spoiler for WhatIf:

the triangle may well be "Unresolved" - because obviously Ranka would search for Alto, with all consequences.

Shouldn't you wait until you actually see the movie before you say this?

Spoiler for for the ending:

Besides Kawamori was entertaining ideas of killing off Alto in the Tv series as well.

Another irritating point is the treatment of Sheryl. I really don't think The Aru/Sherry shippers are happy with the movie.

Spoiler for WTF:

Permanent coma (unless Sheryl does wake up by herself - she is a strong character, after all) - is very bad, possibly worse than death. It's not worth winning the triangle.

I ship Sheryl/Alto and I like the movie ending just fine. Sheryl is more like the way she was at the end of the tv series. And again shouldn't you wait until you see the movie before you pass judgment on it?

Spoiler for Further Discussion:

Except she IS alone now - IF she ever wakes up, she will face the reality of dead Alto and never-forgiving-for-win Ranka. Maybe that's why she doesn't wake up?



Yes, and this makes the fact that she needs Alto to wake up all the more annoying. "Oh please Alto, come back and release your sleeping beauty!" Awake Sheryl would NEVER allow herself to hang like that! What happened to her personality?

I will like to reiterate that you should wait until you actually see the movie before you pass judgment. Also Ranka didn't sound at all upset about the fact that

Spoiler for triangle end:

Alto loves Sheryl and turned her down. In fact it was Ranka who chose to give Sheryl the blood transfusion in the second movie.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by SS13

So the series' triangle is not over.

Only in the sense that, barring Sheryl falling down a well, Ranka has a snowball in hell's chance of ever "winning " Alto.

Originally Posted by Swampstorm

Sheryl looks ridiculously cute in some of those screenshots.

Chibi-Sheryl for the win!

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Alto not turning down Ranka in the tv series was actually Yoshino's idea, in fact the entire last episode was Yoshino's idea.

Now I know whom to blame.

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Besides Kawamori was entertaining ideas of killing off Alto in the Tv series

Uh, source? I never heard of that before.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Uh, source? I never heard of that before.

a few pages back.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

a few pages back.

I couldn't find it on the last eight pages. Since you seem to have seen it, could you look it up, please? From where is that quote, anyway?

[Thess]

@magnus:

Originally Posted by karice67

Spoiler for length:

Nakamura: well, I hope we see a more conclusive end for Alto
Kawamori: do you mean we should end his life then?

There you go.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Thess

@magnus:

There you go.

Uh, that was said in jest in a conversation with the seiyuus about the second movie. Not about the TV series.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Uh, that was said in jest in a conversation with the seiyuus about the second movie. Not about the TV series.

Spoiler for movie:

Considering what Kawamori did in the movie I really wonder about that

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Spoiler for movie:

Considering what Kawamori did in the movie I really wonder about that

Well, "wondering about that" does not mean that Kawamori said that he wanted to kill Alto in the series.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Well, "wondering about that" does not mean that Kawamori said that he wanted to kill Alto in the series.

Well it kinda came across that way to me.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Well it kinda came across that way to me.

The girls were joking with Kawamori about him finally ending the triangle in the second movie, and he teased them first with killing Alto insteaad. It's a clear reference to the second movie, not the the TV series.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

The girls were joking with Kawamori about him finally ending the triangle in the second movie, and he teased them first with killing Alto insteaad. It's a clear reference to the second movie, not the the TV series.

That's the thing it seems more like the girls were joking but Kawamori wasn't.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

That's the thing it seems more like the girls were joking but Kawamori wasn't.

Yeah, but he still was referring to movie Alto, not series Alto.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, it's late and I should be long sleeping. ^^Have a good night!