Character Discussion - Lelouch

[Traece]

It's hard to differentiate supersoldiers. On one hand you have a living breathing person. On the other you have a living breathing person who went through fine-tuning and many changes to turn said person into a living weapon for the destruction of all targets.

In the case of Code Geass... All children are living weapons, because they still use their Geass despite being so young.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Originally Posted by Dynastya

Lelouch received his powers without any genetic manipulation. Those children were engineered and given those powers.

It's like saying someone who was born with natural psychic powers deserve to die as much as someone who was genetically engineered in a lab by some scientists in the quest to make a super soldier.

That's besides the point. The point is your sugarcoating a massacre. These people were unarmed and could have surrendered. Even if I agreed with all you have said, by Geneva convention codes, if a unarmed enemy surrenders you don't kill them. Even if I agreed with you Lelouch had no right to kill the scientists at the very least.

[Dynastya]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

That's besides the point. The point is your sugarcoating a massacre. These people were unarmed and could have surrendered. Even if I agreed with all you have said, by Geneva convention codes, if a unarmed enemy surrenders you don't kill them. Even if I agreed with you Lelouch had no right to kill the scientists at the very least.

The Geneva Convention only protects those in uniform, those scientists WERE not in uniform.

They were people who had knowledge in their head if which fell into the wrong hands can be used to create even more destruction.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Originally Posted by Dynastya

The Geneva Convention only protects those in uniform, those scientists WERE not in uniform.

They were people who had knowledge in their head if which fell into the wrong hands can be used to create even more destruction.

Then why not kill every man and woman who knows how make a nuclear warhead and gun. You think the scientist want to be doing that shit? They wake every morning and say hey I want to contribute to society by making child assassins. The researchers themselves were looking to C.C. for salvation and they got body full of lead for their trust.

[Dynastya]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Then why not kill every man and woman who knows how make a nuclear warhead and gun. You think the scientist want to be doing that shit? They wake every morning and say hey I want to contribute to society by making child assassins. The researchers themselves were looking to C.C. for salvation and they got body full of lead for their trust.

It's exactly because there are thousands of people who know how to make nuclear weapons and they live in dozens of countries that no country has a huge advantage over another in terms of nuclear weapons that nuclear scientists don't need to be shot. The only limiting factor is that the materials needed to make nuclear weapons are tightly controled. Even I know how to build a nuclear bomb as powerful as the ones which were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and apart from the fissionable materials and explosives used, all the tools and hardware I need to build it can be found in an average hardware store.

In the case of the Geass researchers, only Britannia has the knowledge, no other country does. So they have a huge advantage over other nations with the existence of these scientists.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Dynastya

It's exactly because there are thousands of people who know how to make nuclear weapons and they live in dozens of countries that no country has a huge advantage over another in terms of nuclear weapons that nuclear scientists don't need to be shot. The only limiting factor is that the materials needed to make nuclear weapons are tightly controled. Even I know how to build a nuclear bomb as powerful as the ones which were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and apart from the fissionable materials and explosives used, all the tools and hardware I need to build it can be found in an average hardware store.

In the case of the Geass researchers, only Britannia has the knowledge, no other country does. So they have a huge advantage over other nations with the existence of these scientists.

And as you pointed out fissionable materials and explosives could be controlled and monitored, how do you control something like Geass which can be in anyone, even a ten year old child? It is better that the cult has disappeared without the world being any the wiser.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

And as you pointed out fissionable materials and explosives could be controlled and monitored, how do you control something like Geass which can be in anyone, even a ten year old child? It is better that the cult has disappeared without the world being any the wiser.

Well there is people like orangekun who can cancel out geass. As for monitoring well I'm pretty sure Britannia has records of who they give geass to. Unless people like C.C. go around giving random people geasses *cough* Lelouch, Mao

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Well there is people like orangekun who can cancel out geass. As for monitoring well I'm pretty sure Britannia has records of who they give geass to. Unless people like C.C. go around giving random people geasses *cough* Lelouch, Mao

I am talking about if geass became widely known like nuclear weapons. And I don't see alot of people with geass cancelers like Orange keeping tabs on geass users.

[thedonkiluminati]

Originally Posted by Silver Soul

I suppose you don't thnk Lelouch killing Clovis was serious, now who's the hypocrite

No, you would be wrong. I had more problems with him killing Clovis than Euphemia.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by thedonkiluminati

No, you would be wrong. I had more problems with him killing Clovis than Euphemia.

Hmmm.... how so?

[blitz1/2]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

An army of zero that have joined a enemy faction of Britania is a military threat. Give those trick or treaters guns and they do become a threat.

Yes, massacre Gundam seed stargazer style!

What fun is a massacre if there is no one dying? jk

Anyways, Lulu could have recruited/asked for the people to surrender rather than kill them all on a spot.

[thedonkiluminati]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Hmmm.... how so?

Euphemia was killing every japanese person in sight non stop because of the geass command. Lelouch knew of no other way to stop but to shoot her. He already had Clovis stop his massacre, and could have had him forget his face with the geass command. Instead he shot him. Clovis's murder was way more avoidable.

[yezhanquan]

I guess killing Clovis was Lulu's Dark Lord 1101 module. He's using it to numb himself for the terrible things to come. He knew that prices had to be paid for stirring up trouble; it was when the prices began to hit home that he started to whine a little.

[orangejuicetang]

Though really, now that you think about it, from a military point of view killing Clovis was a mistake for Lelouch. Killing Clovis meant that Cornelia had to come in to take care of Area 11, who was a much better commander than Clovis. If Lelouch had left Clovis alive, Clovis would have been the enemy commander instead of Clovis, and he would have liberated Japan already.

[thedonkiluminati]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

I guess killing Clovis was Lulu's Dark Lord 1101 module. He's using it to numb himself for the terrible things to come. He knew that prices had to be paid for stirring up trouble; it was when the prices began to hit home that he started to whine a little.

I like Lelouch's evil mode, but I've got issues with him killing his siblings(if can be avoided anyway). The one thing I got from the first season and the sound episodes is that with the exception of Carrine or what ever that new princess's name was, the royal siblings geuinely cared for one another. So him going killing those who mourned his death doesn't sit right with me.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by thedonkiluminati

I like Lelouch's evil mode, but I've got issues with him killing his siblings(if can be avoided anyway). The one thing I got from the first season and the sound episodes is that with the exception of Carrine or what ever that new princess's name was, the royal siblings geuinely cared for one another. So him going killing those who mourned his death doesn't sit right with me.

He's onto "bigger" things. The feel that I get from CG R1 (and this is before I started on the series) is how naive Lulu was at the beginning. Besides paying the price, there are other issues whereby he acted his age. Yes, he did organise the Order, but he was still no leader in R1. Come R2, he's now morphing into something which will frighten Nunnally, should she know about it.

[thedonkiluminati]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Come R2, he's now morphing into something which will frighten Nunnally, should she know about it.

I certainly hope so...

[yezhanquan]

I feel that Lulu is losing control. First, his Geass. Now, his mind, his most valuable asset, is getting eroded. Slowly, but surely.

[Velden]

Originally Posted by thedonkiluminati

Euphemia was killing every japanese person in sight non stop because of the geass command. Lelouch knew of no other way to stop but to shoot her. He already had Clovis stop his massacre, and could have had him forget his face with the geass command. Instead he shot him. Clovis's murder was way more avoidable.

In Clovis´s case, I agree that there could have been other ways but...

1)Lelouch already gave an order which was to "answer his questions", to tell him who is marianne´s murderer. And he can´t geass the same person twice.
2)Lelouch didn´t know the true nature of his geass, after that day he had to experiment with it to get a full idea of what it does and it´s limitations.
3)If he were to let clovis live and just "make him forget to have seen him", probably the massacre of the japanese would have just continued, which is something that lelouch wanted to stop.

[orangejuicetang]

Though, one of the reasons for the massacres of japanese people was because he blamed the Japanese for Lelouch and Nunually's "deaths" during the war in Japan. Actually ironic really.