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Both are male. | 119 | 50.42% | |
Both are female. | 105 | 44.49% | |
Dorii is male and Guraa is female. | 6 | 2.54% | |
Guraa is male and Dorii is female. | 6 | 2.54% | |
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2006-08-09, 02:33 | Link #341 | ||
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2006-08-09, 03:08 | Link #342 | |
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Yep, the trap thing is a 4chan concoction, they are kind of a significant part of internet pop culture. The Orly and Ya rly owls originated from there, too.
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2006-08-09, 11:14 | Link #343 | ||
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2006-08-09, 15:50 | Link #344 | ||
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Not really a good arguement, as the creator of the characters intended them to be male in the game, and thus, that is why they stated it in the game. No point to be made there; they didn't with hold that revelation in the game, it happened, so it is what it is. They didn't clearly state that they are male in the anime, but they haven't stated they are female, either, but you seem to think just because they didn't state that, that would automatically mean they are female? I think the point I reiterated and you commented on is a good and valid point. I don't think saying that the must be female since they didn't specifically say they are male in the anime is something that holds much weight. Quote:
I don't think that is a good arguement, either. It is not like ADV hasn't liscensed anime with homosexual characters before, and that consersative America thing is not a good arguement, either. They have Gravitation, Kyo Kara Maoh, and even Loveless liscensed and on the shelves of US retail stores for pete's sake. If you don't know about Loveless, it is a shounen ai anime that borders on lite yaoi. Also, Mai Hime is being released, and has some lesbian couples, and Noir has been out for awhile, and 3 or 4 main characters are lesbians. These animes and others that have homosexual characters and clear displays of such characters having intimate interactions are in US retail stores. So why would it be a big deal if the two twins were gay males and in one episode of Utawa it very briefly shows them sleeping next to Oboro (and the nudity is minimal, as they have the blanket)? If they are indeed male, that is a very small dose of shounen ai material and yaoi undertones. Let me tell you, that sure is tame compared to just episode one of Loveless, and I saw some DVDs of it at Best Buy several days ago.
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2006-08-09, 18:57 | Link #345 | |
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ADV would not risk upsetting that really large demographic and place the subject material between the two. It would be bad strategic management, and I give ADV more credit than that. Edit: Almost forgot to mention that lesbian themes are more commonly accepted among this large demographic.
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2006-08-09, 21:29 | Link #346 | ||
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And I still find this thread remarkable (how can the absense of one scene automatically, and without question, lead to an opposing conclusion?), but that's another story... |
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2006-08-09, 21:34 | Link #347 | |
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2006-08-10, 01:45 | Link #348 | ||
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To Thundrakkon: I still think you are over amplifying the matter for your arguement. Going along with the scenario that if they are indeed male and are attracted to Oboro; as someone said, it is a very minor element in the show. It is not like some romance themed sub plot. It was a brieft scene played out in a comedic fashion with nothing explicit, it was just some implied sexual innuendo. And I should point out, ADV liscensed Noir, which has a handful of major characters that are lesbians, and it is cannon; it is made clear and obvious, there are intimate moments and kiss scenes and such. And you shouldn't say ADV wouldn't be as respectable for picking up an anime with homosexuality in it, even if it is a slight amount (see the "I give ADV more credit than that" remark), that comes off as a rather ignorant comment. And ADV is a respectable company, and I think they will do a good localization of this anime; I think Utawarerumono is in pretty good hands. They wouldn't censor this, the violence is not extreme, there is no real nudity, and the sexual innuendo is kept in check. It isn't like 4kidz got their hands on it (it is sad when any anime becomes liscensed by those guys; even if you aren't a fan of the series, it still sucks for anyone who is a fan of a series they pick up. ). Quote:
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Agreed, that this is a minor point in the anime, but if we are going to debate, it's best to go all out.
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However, just for the sake of argument, let's imagine the possibility that ADV, in their negotiations, suggested to Aquaplus, Lantis, etc. to leave out or modify certain elements of the game for the anime. Or maybe, the Japan companies strategized about marketing the anime globally, without sacrificing too much locally. In that scenario, they might want to leave out certain questionable themes for a more global ("= more money") market. If you noticed already, they have toned down quite a bit of the "extra" relationships Hakuoro has with the rest of his harem and focused almost exclusively on Eruruu. In the end, though, I agree with you that they most likely will keep the gender of the twins ambiguous in the anime. Although, it will be interesting to see how ADV will translate references to the twins, with either "he" or "she", or just try to avoid it altogether.
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2006-08-10, 03:44 | Link #350 | ||
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In any event, though, I would still maintain that leaving certain subjects open to interpretation through the omission of certain scenes/facts doesn't lend itself to the belief that they diverged from the source material in those areas. It simply means they're not showing it in the anime. As the saying goes, "The absence of proof is not proof of absence." Quote:
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2006-08-10, 04:09 | Link #351 | ||
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And I just thought of something; why would they include that scene in the anime, anyway? Considering this is an anime based off an ero-game with explicit scenes (whereas the anime opted to not have this element), why is it that that scene is one of two scenes that show some more implied sexual innuendo after 18 episodes (second one being Karura coming on to to Hakauro in ep. 18). Well, my 2 cents is that the Oboro/twins bed scene is there as a comedic scene, simply put, basically taken from a comedic scenario in the game (the comedy of it intended for the viewers basically being "Haha, uh oh, Oboro got owned right there"). The second scene, with Karura; its reason for being in there? For quite a different reason: it relates to an important plot development in the game, and important character interaction, namely to help deepen the bond between Hakauro and Eruuruu. Quote:
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2006-08-11, 17:13 | Link #352 |
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I suppose now that if they are following the game closely on writing, this will follow the same as well. My guess its they are waiting for a humorous point needed in a show to make us all spit our tea all over our monitors errr tvs laughing so abruptly at it.
I can imagine somewhere some parents of twins dressing 2 boys in like clothes to get them to get along and those twos parents knew how to sew girls clothes so.... who knows. |
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Girls clothes? It seems like their attire is modeled after clothes males would wear during the time of medival Japan.
Two things I noticed in episode 19: About the "their voices sound like girls" arguement - If you listen to the voice of Karura's younger brother in the flashback scene, where he is about the twins age, his voice is very feminine, and I bet the VA was a woman for that minor role (the role of a younger Deh...Denih....Karura's younger brother ). About the "hey, only girls have their ears going downward" arguement - As I stated earlier, you'll find other young male characters with ears going downward, but I noticed something in episode 19...the old man who looked after Karura's brother has his ears going downward, and some of the other guys in the rebellion do, too (I remember in the very beginning of that episode, when Eruuruu is tending care to a wounded fighter laying on the ground, his ears pointed downward).
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2006-08-12, 22:28 | Link #354 |
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Ehhhh, i join this forum a new days ago and i dont wanna read though all those pages, so ill just post what i think >_>
i think they are both female cause wernt they called "she" in someone of the show?>.> Probably not if no one has mentioned it in any of the 18 pages though-.- |
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They have never been referred to as females.
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2006-08-13, 01:29 | Link #357 | |
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It is definately open to interpretation. Again, looking at the screen cap, he says "...to jewelry that would look beautiful on women". It depicts the twins playing with the jewelry during the time he says this. Now, is this a confirmation of them being female? I say no. It is certainly open to interpretation, but let it be known it is in no way a confirmation that they had their genders switched in the anime. The other way to interpret that little scene is that it plays around with the joke about the twins being girly and gay in the game; a little dose of humor being that as the merchant is talking about jewelry that would look nice on women (and that is all he says), the camera focuses on the twins playing with the jewelry, the dose of humor being how feminine and womanly they can be. That is one interpretation. Again, looking at the big picture and many different points that have been made about how they are probably male in the anime; especially the point about how they kept the characters true to how they are in the game for the anime in regards to appearances, personalities, and characteristic traits, I think it makes it all the more likely that the interpretation that this little scene makes references to some aspects of their character in the game all the more likely. The opposing interpretation is that right there in that scene, through the merchant saying what he said, and the camera focusing on the two twins, the anime producers are given the message that the twins are actually female in the anime. But there are problems with that arguement; if the case is they decided to make them female in the anime, but it comes off seeming very apparent that the twins are just as they are in the anime universe as they are in the game universe, why would the animation company make it so discreet, this change so hard to discern, and the indication so vague (and that scene is the only thing that one could cite as a "strong" indicator they are female in the anime)? These three things apply if that was the scenario, and again, I think if they were to change a major aspect of the characters, they wouldn't make it so subtle and hard to determine; if they decided to have their genders changed for the anime rendition, they would very much most likely make the change clear and apparent and let the change be known easily.
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After listening to some of my Anime music, I came across an old BoA song, Every Heart, which was an ending song to Inuyasha. She repeated used the words Boku-tachi throughout the song, so I think from now on, my response to Boku-tachi in this thread will be:
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As mentioned many times throughout this thread, Boku is commonly used in the anime/music industry by females to portray boyish qualities in girls. I just don't want to continually have to repeat myself or give long repeated explainations that are really redundant and unnecessary at this point.
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