Is Naruto wasted on Naruto?

[ChojinLocke]

I think a major mistake was done with not upgrading Naruto a little bit more after 3 years of training with Jiraya. We see many characters in the show maturing but Naruto is so slow in the development stages it just is too much.

[SpyderSidiouss]

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

It's pretty obvious that if I respond in full here you'll just come up with another bs response. I don't intend to waste any more time than I already have.

lol bs response? everything there was the truth exactly the way it happened and i told you why i did what i did. you just trying to save face because you have nothing left to attack with. at least be a samurai and go out with some honor man, dont just call ppls post bs with no back up. its so obvious you're out of ammo. im done now, theres nothing left.

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anyway on topic @chojinlocke:

i dont think hes that immature, hes just dumb. if he learns alot of good sage magic from the frogs then he'll be like jiraiya, cause that guy jiraiya was goofy too.

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by ChojinLocke

I think a major mistake was done with not upgrading Naruto a little bit more after 3 years of training with Jiraya. We see many characters in the show maturing but Naruto is so slow in the development stages it just is too much.

I have to agree with that. Hopefully they kick up the story a notch.

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@ SpyderSidiouss - Just let you know saving time =/= saving face. I never ran out of stuff to use, nor do I have anything to save face, I just don't want to waste my time on someone who just wont hear it.

Spoiler for facepalm:

Spoiler for wasted time:

Several things.

I did not once call Sasuke an idiot here, if you don't believe me, use the "find word" option.

And as for logic by your standing. Exhibit A came before Exhibit B which came before My Response. Therefore, by logic, after My Response things should have ended on my response because I made no direct attack against you nor did I state I wished to continue. The paragraph was there as defense.

But what happened? You responded in such a sarcastic idiot way while trying to degrade me here (not the other thread), I responded to defend myself. I will defend myself when you're trying to degrade me in such a way that assumes I am nothing but a stereotypical hate blinded idiot. And you've already done that.

Anyways, in other words, you called me out and I came out to play. You side-tracked after my defense and tried to lay the dragging of arguments across threads on me. This is further strengthened to the fact that you only responded to the rest of my post after I pointed it out.

If I was wrong I'd be the first to admit it. You may want to recheck your logic.

[SpyderSidiouss]

Spoiler for lol:

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

I did not once call Sasuke an idiot here, if you don't believe me, use the "find word" option.

Like I said in my post, you called him an idiot in the OTHER THREAD (“what would ruin naruto for you” thread), and I only mentioned that thread just to point out that you called him an idiot without giving reasons (when you FIRST SAID IT, you didn’t give reasons).

Use the “find logic” option, because that’s not dragging the other discussion here. You called my post spam because I called naruto an idiot without reasons and I just wanted to point out that you did the same thing in the other thread. ***But, I didn’t talk about the other threads discussion, I only pointed out that you did the same thing I did. you chose to keep on with it. Now that the rest of your paragraphs are blown to hell, you can finally drop this so that the thread can get back on topic, you're really just being pathetic now, you need to respect yourself man.

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by SpyderSidiouss

Spoiler for lol:

Like I said in my post, you called him an idiot in the OTHER THREAD (“what would ruin naruto for you” thread), and I only mentioned that thread just to point out that you called him an idiot without giving reasons (when you FIRST SAID IT, you didn’t give reasons).

Use the “find logic” option, because that’s not dragging the other discussion here. You called my post spam because I called naruto an idiot without reasons and I just wanted to point out that you did the same thing in the other thread. ***But, I didn’t talk about the other threads discussion, I only pointed out that you did the same thing I did. you chose to keep on with it. Now that the rest of your paragraphs are blown to hell, you can finally drop this so that the thread can get back on topic, you're really just being pathetic now, you need to respect yourself man.

Spoiler for last post:

Oh I'll drop this only because you're pointless you only recognize and see what you want to.

Your own logic defeats you on your "Exhibits" post you so you backtrack to your original post and try to fault me there... thereby abandoning the logic that accused me of dragging things across threads and continuing on.

You dragged this out by your sarcastic and degrading remarks. I called you on spamming, you called me a hater with no reason, I defended myself briefly while posting on-topic, you then degraded me again.. so it goes on from there.

If I posted this directed at you,

Originally Posted by SpyderSidiouss

Of course you have. /pat pat

(pssst, to you other guys reading: the real reason is cause he’s a hater…)

I highly doubt you would've stayed quiet. And that is the basis for which I used to respond and defend myself further.

That was fun but there's no need for me to rebuff anything you have to say since anymore and I'd be a broken record.

[SpyderSidiouss]

Spoiler for lol... you know what, its not even funny anymore you're sad:

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

Your own logic defeats you on your "Exhibits" post you so you backtrack to your original post and try to fault me there... thereby abandoning the logic that accused me of dragging things across threads and continuing on.

Wrong... AGAIN. I backtracked because you wanted to be narrow minded; it was like you didnt even read my post. So, i found yet another way to blast your pathetic reasoning to hell: all the way at the beginning. But alas, it looks like you're still letting your hatred and narrow mindedness get the best of you, you'll just have to realize it one day yourself.

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

You dragged this out by your sarcastic and degrading remarks. I called you on spamming, you called me a hater with no reason, I defended myself briefly while posting on-topic, you then degraded me again.. so it goes on from there.

I already said why I replied to your out of topic paragraph in my earlier post.
I'm not going to try to help you any longer; you will just have to learn the hard way in life about being narrow minded and letting your emotions consume you; but for your sake, I hope not THAT hard..... Im tired of trying to rewrite things easier or make other points so that you can hopefully understand them. Your narrow mindedness is YOUR PROBLEM. All I can say to you is good luck; you'll be needing it.

[ShadowAssasin]

you guys were even funnier than than rurik vs. vindi89. and on multiple threads, wow.

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by ShadowAssasin

you guys were even funnier than than rurik vs. vindi89. and on multiple threads, wow.

You gotta try it sometime, its a lot more fun if you're actually involved. I know for one that you can give a good debate when you feel like it.

Sadly as opposed to previous encounters I've had, I ended up having to repeat myself to fend off the same attack multiple times. Also, my opposition seemed hell-bent on trying to degrade and discredit me by using the "hater" defense while providing nothing new in return.

It ended all pretty lame imo.

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by james3wk

That being said, we need a new thread labeled "Is Shikimaru/Neji/etc wasted on Naruto", considering that this thread wore out its welcome 4 years ago and no new information has come out to confirm or deny the OP.

Honestly, just about every character that isn't Team Kakashi (7), the Hokage, Team Hebi, and Akatsuki could be considered wasted on Naruto at this point.

I mean look at it this way, what the heck happened to our long awaited Team 7 and Team 8 interactions? Nothing, it cut straight from the scene with Tobi to Naruto thinking about his memories about Itachi.

So much wasted potential that was Kiba, Hinata and Shino.

I don't quite understand though... pre-timeskip Kishi was able to mesh ALL the characters really well together to give each a little development. Actually, even at the start of post-timeskip Kishi managed to involve Team 10 in the Kakuzu Hidan arc really well... but right now he's one-track minded and really its showing through.

[mace58]

Originally Posted by Shay

I would put money on it that when the series finishes there will prolly be a spin off series about Sasuke and Itachi or something.

But I sometimes think that maybe the show could have been called Chronicles of Konoha or soemthing other than just Naruto.
But Naruto is the star and it is mostly all about him and he is my favourite char so...Scrap everything I just said.:P

yeah i agree with him mainly anime's titles have to deal with the main characters like One piece trying to get that pirates treas., Naruto abou a boy named Naruto, and Bleach for Ichigo's so to say Bleached blonde hair.

[Endrance]

Im gonna say the same thing that i said about why i disliked orihime about naruto the fact that he has such potential but doesnt use it is why i think its wasted on him

[Blank-Mage]

New to the thread, so my post is gonna go long. You've been warned.

I think Naruto is the only character with a blank slate as far as character development. No parents, no friends, no defining traits, he starts off with less information than WE do. Changes to his personality are slow, and brought on by a multitude of peers. Now, take Neji. Neji is awesome, that's just a fact, but at the outset his preconceptions would cloud our view of Konoha. He would never have bothered even talking to the majority of the characters, until Naruto messes with his head in the exams. Which is another thing: virtually all change in the supporting cast is brought about by Naruto, because he's the only one who makes an effort to change others. Naruto and Lee are virtually the same character, but can you imagine Lee making an impact on Neji's philosophy? Neji is too static a character to evolve. And he's already a genius. He loses the underdog factor.

Lee and Kiba would be cool, but their personalities aren't something you can base a series on. It'd be ridiculous. (But I'd watch it. ^^) Sakura would make it a love story, Shikamaru would make it a little deathnote-ish (a stretch, but you can't have a character that smart in anime like Naruto), any adults would have the Neji problem, Hinata would work, but she'd have to be more assertive or she'd never advance the plot, Lord knows what Sasuke would do with a series, and most others either don't have enough defining characteristics (sorry, Ten Ten. We still love you.) or are entirely too messed up (Gaara would kill the cast. All of it.) to be central characters. Naruto is someone we can relate to at the start, and figure out by the end.

[Ryuujin]

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

Honestly, just about every character that isn't Team Kakashi (7), the Hokage, Team Hebi, and Akatsuki could be considered wasted on Naruto at this point.

This, this, a thousand times this! He finally puts Team 8 in an arc (after ignoring them for years at a time), and Hinata never even got to DO anything!

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Ryuujin

This, this, a thousand times this! He finally puts Team 8 in an arc (after ignoring them for years at a time), and Hinata never even got to DO anything!

She didn't even get to look cute, which is about all she has going for herself now...

For shame Kishimoto .

[Dan the Man]

I do think that Naruto was pretty much wasted throughout the series. As far as I can remember, I only saw Naruto actually learn 3 jutsu throughout the course of the series, being the Shadow Clones, Summoning, and the Rasengaan respectively. I'm sure he's learned a few more by now, but I don't read the manga, and I've seen very little of Part II, so I'm not up-to-date.

Anyway, it just seemed that in every major fight Naruto was in, he always won by just the skin of his teeth, and throughout the series, he never really seemed to show any signs of improvement.

So, from what I've seen of the Part II anime, he's older, but as far as I can tell, exactly the same, when damn near everyone else is stronger, has more jutsu, and are now Naruto's superiors. I'd say there was a lot of potential wasted for Naruto throughout the series.

[Adediran242]

I think the issue alot of us have is the "underdog" theme that constanntly runs in the manga and anime. (I struggle with it myself) Naruto is an absolute failure, with zero talent and a monster ravaging his soul. He is NOT supposed to be learning several new jutsu, as much as we'd love him to, because the guy is a moron. The only thing that redeems him is moral high standing which constantly occurs in Shounen manga and the Kyuubi. Next time we look at Naruto, we have to look at him in a slightly less critical light. A friend of mine said once that when dealing with Naruto, we have to constantly see the glass as "half full" instead of "half empty"

Spoiler for Naruto's achievements.:

As an academy school failure, a person with awkward social graces and an all-round dullard, Naruto has achieved alot in his time:

Kage Bunshin: The level of skilll that goes into the jutsu is constantly underrated throughout the whole series by the mere fact that Naruto can do it so well. Think about it, someone who barely passed out of the academy knows a Jonin-level technique and it's forbidden variant.

Kuchiyose: He has the ability to summon a boss, something Sasuke could not do till after two and a half years of training with a Sannin and possibly some help from the sharingan. Coupled with the sage arts Naruto is about to learn, he is pretty much a bone-fide summoning master.

Rasengan: Like Kage Bunshin, it's a jutsu that is underrated because Naruto has all but mastered it. This jutsu and it's elemental variants are the pinnacle of shape and nature manipulation. Plus FRS, is one of the only known jutsu beyond S-Class and it's not even finished.

Coupled with the enemies Naruto has fought and beaten, I doubt there is anyone in the series that can boast to the claims that he has achieved. Naruto is not wasted on Naruto because the main character is fulfilling his purpose and giving the message that Kishi wants portrayed, you don't have to be the best to be succesful, you can be a failure and still do well.

[SpyderSidiouss]

Originally Posted by Adediran242

I think the issue alot of us have is the "underdog" theme that constanntly runs in the manga and anime. (I struggle with it myself) Naruto is an absolute failure, with zero talent and a monster ravaging his soul. He is NOT supposed to be learning several new jutsu, as much as we'd love him to, because the guy is a moron. The only thing that redeems him is moral high standing which constantly occurs in Shounen manga and the Kyuubi. Next time we look at Naruto, we have to look at him in a slightly less critical light. A friend of mine said once that when dealing with Naruto, we have to constantly see the glass as "half full" instead of "half empty"

Spoiler for Naruto's achievements.:

As an academy school failure, a person with awkward social graces and an all-round dullard, Naruto has achieved alot in his time:

Kage Bunshin: The level of skilll that goes into the jutsu is constantly underrated throughout the whole series by the mere fact that Naruto can do it so well. Think about it, someone who barely passed out of the academy knows a Jonin-level technique and it's forbidden variant.

Kuchiyose: He has the ability to summon a boss, something Sasuke could not do till after two and a half years of training with a Sannin and possibly some help from the sharingan. Coupled with the sage arts Naruto is about to learn, he is pretty much a bone-fide summoning master.

Rasengan: Like Kage Bunshin, it's a jutsu that is underrated because Naruto has all but mastered it. This jutsu and it's elemental variants are the pinnacle of shape and nature manipulation. Plus FRS, is one of the only known jutsu beyond S-Class and it's not even finished.

Coupled with the enemies Naruto has fought and beaten, I doubt there is anyone in the series that can boast to the claims that he has achieved. Naruto is not wasted on Naruto because the main character is fulfilling his purpose and giving the message that Kishi wants portrayed, you don't have to be the best to be succesful, you can be a failure and still do well.

try telling this to the people who want to live in lala land like keroko who actually want to believe that this guy is a "genius" lmao.

[lordblazer]

Originally Posted by Yogi

The Manga Naruto has it's share of interesting characters, detaiiled backstory, and a well rounded supporting cast. Is it just me, or could Naruto have been better if it was based upon someone else. This is obviously not a simple retelling of the story from a diffrent point of view, but to re-write the story with someone more interesting as the central character(s). What do you people think?

FRom a westerners point of view when a show is named after a main character then it is soley focussed on that main character. WE even have an expectation that the support characters focus on the main characters.

This isn't the case with this show because it has a huge eastern outlook on the world. In which it isn't about you or me. IT's about the collective. Konoha is the collective, and it's a village of people that have lives, and have back stories, and are interesting. This also relates to naruto as he contributes to their lives as the contribute to his. Which is actually why the anime and the manga spends a lot of time with support characters because they have to be strong in order to even keep the show's theme alive which you always notice is "what is best for konoha."
Or "what is best for fire country."

Other themes include "the benefit of having the support of friends and family."
So yea it has a very non western theme to it. Because trust me a western theme to it would be somewhere a long the lines of how naruto develops when he interacts with other people. That's it. ITs focussed on him even the support characters would focus on him.

But as naruto stands right now it isn't from a westerner's perspective.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by SpyderSidiouss

try telling this to the people who want to live in lala land like keroko who actually want to believe that this guy is a "genius" lmao.

Yes I do, and not just because Naruto can beat a few strong enemies. On several ocasions Naruto has mastered difficult techniques or gone through severe trials not by 'perseverance' but by using his head, something Sasuke is praised for whenever he does it.

In my opinion Naruto is a genius who was nipped because of neglect. Look at what he acomplishes when people spend some attention to him, he mastered the Rasengan in a time shorter then the far more experienced Jiraiya did, a sannin. He mastered a forbidden technique, the Kage Bunshin, in a matter of hours, even though he sucked at Bunshin.

[SpyderSidiouss]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yes I do, and not just because Naruto can beat a few strong enemies. On several ocasions Naruto has mastered difficult techniques or gone through severe trials not by 'perseverance' but by using his head, something Sasuke is praised for whenever he does it.

In my opinion Naruto is a genius who was nipped because of neglect. Look at what he acomplishes when people spend some attention to him, he mastered the Rasengan in a time shorter then the far more experienced Jiraiya did, a sannin. He mastered a forbidden technique, the Kage Bunshin, in a matter of hours, even though he sucked at Bunshin.

you naruto fans kill me (...yeah go ahead and say youre not ), the manga is a story about perseverance vs. talent but for some reason people love this idiot so much that they want to create what they want out of it to favor him. its funny how you keep talking about these same tired ass accomplishments but when sasuke does something spectacular or unbelievable(that sometimes make naruto look like what he is - an idiot), people start complaining about it, bitching and moaning. isnt that a double standard(hes supposed to do amazing stuff, he represetn talent). Just face it the story is about perseverance vs. talent and naruto is supposed to be the perseverence. no wonder you guys are always hating, you make up these ridiculous theory and actually believe it instead of facts in the manga lmao. stop believing your own stories and maybe you wont be dissappointed at the manga. lol