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Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2009-10-27, 08:34 | Link #1582 | |
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This last thing was not meant to be directed at you in specific, but at the argument that a "neutral" ending was something which had merit. Which it didn't. Not after all the build-up to it. I'd say it was a serious miscalculation by Kawamori and that dude who set him up to go with it. I'd love to know what their real motivations were, to be honest. My thought: $$ signs in their eyes from merchandise.
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2009-10-27, 10:20 | Link #1583 | |
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But, we know what happened, and I am happy Sheryl was made the way she is. Remember, winners don't issue challenges. - Tak
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2009-10-27, 11:04 | Link #1584 |
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That was actually my biggest comfort, regarding the Love Triangle situation. To me, those simple lines, the challenge and the acceptance, were fuel for my own wish-fulfillment fantasies. For the end of the TV series, that turned out to be enough.
Now, as for the movies... that remains to be seen.
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2009-10-27, 13:32 | Link #1586 | |
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2009-10-27, 13:46 | Link #1587 | |
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2009-10-27, 14:06 | Link #1588 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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I know this is going to sound redundant but I just can't get over these points. As soon as Alto found out about Sheryl's sickness, he turned all mushy and began being as kind as he could be to her. Then there is the point of Alto seeing his mother in Sheryl and yes, I know there are characters that fall in love with someone that reminds them of their mother, but her situation is just so convenient that I believe Alto was being caught up in the moment. Alto has a tendency to want to protect Ranka all the time but after she left, he couldn't remain ignorant to what was going on around him. And so Sheryl now needed Alto and he was there to oblige. After explaining how I feel about Alto and Sheryl, I believe an Alto x Ranka ending could have been very possible, even plausible at that. Regarding Ranka's character, I believe they took 2 steps forward and one step back. She had her moments but episode 25 retracted from that a little bit. Now as for continuity, I believe I read an interview or something about Kawamori (a real one, not fabricated ) and they were speaking about SDFM and DYRL and which was actually canon. His response was that he really didn't care, so I don't believe that either one will be canon. I suppose we'll just have to choose one.
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2009-10-27, 14:10 | Link #1589 |
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this forum, and most of japan will implode if the movie does go in the Ranka direction. the last few episodes of the series clearly pointed in the other direction, and its definitely implied that Sheryl and Alto slept together, so yeah..
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2009-10-27, 14:36 | Link #1590 | |
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Those are just two examples. - Tak
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2009-10-27, 14:43 | Link #1591 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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2009-10-27, 15:09 | Link #1592 | |
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Ranka and Alto don't talk to each other for almost 4 episodes, while leaving each other with fundamentally different ways to deal with the situation at hand (Is there a scene where Alto explains the rooftop situation to Ranka?). Their couple development effectively stops when they leave each other on different notes. Alto walks down his path, Ranka down hers (As Ozma puts it). Now, had there been a scene at the end with a reconciliation, explanations for Ranka's departure, and a tinge more development, It might have been possible to pull off. 22+ is almost all Alto character development, Alto/Sheryl Development (doesn't matter whether or not it's romantic or not), and plot line development. There would have to be tinges of hints or some sort of development between the two to make it believable (A solid proof of Alto's love, missing one another...etc). I don't think there is enough substance for that couple over the last couple of episodes to make it properly believable. There is certainly convincing Independent character development to make it work later, but they would have to meet up and communicate properly later to make it proper. Simply put, There wasn't enough time for everything, they were too busy developing the ending to really hash out everything in the series. |
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2009-10-27, 15:29 | Link #1593 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Still I concede that there wasn't much time to hash everything out but it doesn't prevent them from continuing to develop 2 characters even when separated.
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2009-10-27, 19:12 | Link #1594 | ||
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However, I think I can prove with charts, if necessary, that no Alto / Ranka was in the books, if one follows basic storytelling logic. I can't predict nonsensical endings, of course ( I think the short name for those endings is "Canvas 2"? ) , but following the whole character developments and story, going forward from episode 17 to the end, they killed off the possibility of Rankas feeling being responded to by Alto. With prejudice. I think we went over all of this half a year ago, but if you insist, I can lay this out in detail once more. Quote:
He had a short flashback to his mother when he saw her in that kimono, but that was simply a moment of remembering his mother being in that very room, wearing that very kimono in that very pose. Sheryl looks totally different than his mother and they don't seem to share a personality. I concede that he made an effort of being less confrontational after he knew of Sheryls disease, but this does not negate the development they had before that moment. There was a lot of build-up with them, which was simply nudged into another ( less desirable, for sure ) direction when he became aware of her V-Type infection. With Ranka, there was something I'd label a "build-down", so to say, since episode 17. And I will say it again, wanting to protect someone =/= being in love with someone. Him being concerned about Rankas safety is not something I'd label as romantic love.
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Alto x Ranka :)
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If you bring up episode 17, that would mean that you're referring to the scene where Alto and Ranka had a meeting in Ranka's bedroom, is that one of the moments where you felt they killed off their romantic relationship? (Honest question.) Quote:
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I agree, wanting to protect someone doesn't always equal love. In the later parts of the series though, Alto was more concerned about why Ranka would do such a thing rather than her safety, and his flashbacks of Ranka during the conversation with Klan were those of his more tender moments with his mother and Ranka, which reinforces my feelings on this subject. In this memory, Alto remembers the moment his mother combed his hair when he was a child which happens to be the same scene that occurred on Gallia 4 between Alto and Ranka. This scene was also labeled as "a scene full of love" by Yasaburo in episode 19 I believe. I think Ranka was still considered a romantic rival even after episode 17.
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2009-10-27, 20:35 | Link #1598 | |
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Alto never actually 'took care' of Sheryl. She preferred to be on her own, baby. - Tak
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2009-10-27, 20:46 | Link #1599 | |
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I seriously doubt Alto would have kept kissing Sheryl for like (I went back and counted ) 16 seconds after she initiated it if he didn't see her that way. Oh God I love that scene |
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