The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

If it weren't for the fact that there aren't any artists attached to this project that are willing to do that sort of content, it probably would be.

[Khu]

And rightfully so.

Since this IS a step up from doujinshi and the like.

And VN's are sposed to have story appeal, not sex appeal.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by Khu

And rightfully so.

Since this IS a step up from doujinshi and the like.

And VN's are sposed to have story appeal, not sex appeal.

Who says it can't have both?

[Khu]

Yeah I know it can have both, but just depending. *shrug* I'd rather plot than h.

[Joe4evr]

Well, some of the listed examples have very little H compared to plot. In fact, you can usually remove all the H-scenes and still keep a perfectly good plot, that's why those have all-age verions.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I make no apologies for the quality, this scene was HARD to produce.

Spoiler for September the Sixth, Day 5, Kyonko: Streets of Nishinomiya- Hobo Girl:

Hobo Girl

...?

What was I doing? My everything hurts... especially my hand. Feels like it's on fire...

...There's a rectangular red mark stretched across my palm. Well, that explains that.


Girl A: ...Are you okay now? If not, I'll just have to kick you again...!


I have to look up at her for once, since, while she's kneeling, I'm flat on the ground.


Kyon: What... just happened?

Girl A: Oh thank god, you're back among the sane.

Kyon: I was seriously asking: why am I on the ground?


This doesn't feel the same as the last two times I passed out... it's more like... I didn't pass out at all...?

I don't feel as drained, and what's more, I have absolutely no memory of what I dreamt about... usually I have some kind of impression if not clear detail.


Girl A: Well, what's the last thing you remember?

Kyon: I guess... you asking about my headphones?

Girl A: So that was what triggered it...

Kyon: Okay, what happened?


I push myself upright.


Kyon: Did I do something while I was out?

Girl A: Well, you assaulted me, if that counts as “something”.

Kyon: ...


I really don't know what to say to that.


Girl A: I guess it's alright, since you had clearly lost it.


She stands up and stretches.

I try to do the same, but... my legs don't seem to be working.


Girl A: ...I had to smash those to snap you out of it, by the way.


She points to the shattered remains of both the headphones and the xPod, which seems like it was stomped on.

...Well, that ends that, then.

Bending down over the wreckage, Girl A pulls a zipper storage back out of her pocket.


Girl A: ...You don't mind if I take this, right? Since you're not using it anyway.

Kyon: ...Go ahead.


It's probably better if you get rid of it... I don't know what it did this time, but I still can't feel my legs. Oh, no, wait, there's feeling now. It hurts.

Girl A packs the remnants of those cursed headphones into the bag, seals it up, shoves it under the park bench, and slaps a prayer slip on it.


Kyon: ...I've been wondering for a while now, but exactly what are you doing?

Girl A: Protection Against Theft. What does it look like?

Kyon: ...And does it work?

Girl A: Well, no one's stolen anything yet, so...


That isn't anything like adequate proof! Who would want to steal school uniforms and underwear? ...Don't answer that.


Girl A: More importantly, why are you still on the ground?

Kyon: ...My legs are... rather numb... actually, I think I'm going to have trouble getting anywhere...


I really don't like to ask this of anyone, but could you possibly...

Girl A rolls her eyes.

---

And that was how I ended up being half-carried home by a girl I barely know. Due to our slow pace, it was approaching early evening by the time we finally got there.


Kyon: ...Why did you stop?

Girl A: Well, this is your house, right?

Kyon: I never told you where I lived. I just told you the general area.

Girl A: ...

Kyon: You're not actually stalking me, are you?


Because that would mean I'd have to break off a valuable friendship.

I'm not serious about the 'valuable' part, by the way.


Girl A: I was telling the truth, by the way.

Kyon: What?

Girl A: About not having any place to stay. I've seriously been living on the streets.

Kyon: ...I can stand by myself now.


She removes her arm from around my torso. As the curtain of silence falls, we both stare up at my house together.

...

[IF Thief=False THEN]

[To Muttered Concession]

---

[IF Thief=True THEN]

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)Wish her good luck.
2)Invite her inside.

Muttered Concession

Kyon: ...Good luck out there, then.


Even if I were to ask her to stay here, I don't think she's the kind of person who'll accept. ...Besides, how on earth am I suppose to hide her from my nosy family?


Girl A: ...Thanks... Kyon.


She mutters that, and walks away without another word.

...?

Hold on. Something was odd just now.

She's never called me by name before. In fact, I didn't think she had any idea who I was.

...Am I and my nickname that infamous? Damn you, Haruhi.

It wasn't just her saying my name, though. There was definitely something else. A sense of... defeat?

No, not defeat. Concession.

And Many Thanks

Kyon: ...If it's as bad as I think it is... you could stay here.


Not that I think she'll accept, but... I don't think any girl like this should have to sleep outdoors, especially if there's something I can do about it.


Girl A: ...Eh? Wait, what?

Kyon: I'm telling you that you can live here, at my house. ...We can't let my family know,


Because then Haruhi would hear about it, guaranteed,


Kyon: But as long as you remain hidden, this can be your place to come home to.

Girl A gives me one look-- are those tears!?-- and pulls me into what is unmistakeably a hug, burying her face in my chest. ...Her body is really soft.


Kyon: !!!!! G-g-g--

Girl A: ...Sorry. It's just that you never have any idea how hard the ground is until you sleep on it, how cold the night is until you go out without a jacket, or how lonely it is when your strange club members are the only people who even know your name. ...Sure, there are those who are worse off then me, but damn do I not care about them at all right now!


She removes her head from the recesses of my shirt. Yep, she's definitely crying tears... tears of happiness.


Girl A: Thank you! I'll be in your debt forever!


...Cute!


Kyon: I-It's not really that big of a deal, you know!


You don't have to cry or be in my debt! Just let go of me before I do something bad!

She seems to realize something from the look on my face, and detaches, rubbing her face dry.


Girl A: So, um, now what? If you have to keep my staying here a secret from your mom (for whatever reason) how are we going to get inside?


Good point, The lights are on, and somebody's home, so the front door's a definite no-go.


Kyon: There's a trellis in the back... You could climb up that.

Girl A: ...Do you realize how fragile those things are?


Yes, actually, since I repaired it yesterday morning.

Hmm.

Kyonko have just won +20 deredere points.

Anyway, that scene was amazing. Kyonko have just been assalted by a guy but don't think twice in accepting sleeping on his house. It make sense in the context, but it is still funny anyway.

But that headphones are really evil huh? I didn't get one thing, tough, was Kyon's leg numb because the headphones or because Kyonko beating he so many times? Also, intersting how this time the headphones did not come back. Speaking on that, if you just reject Kyon-chan, of don't having the Thief flag, shouldn't have an extra scene with the Headphones backing? And a new variable, since Kyonko would notice it have vanished?

Speaking on that Thief variable, it will be painfull have coming this far and ending up empty handed.

Now, hidding a girl on his roon? Kyon should think in how impractical this is. What will she does when someone come in? Hide in the closet? And about the bathroom? There isn't any on his room and it is dangerous getting out without the risk of Imouto-chan discovering (she is the main poblem, after all). At last food isn't a problem, as they can eat out. And Kyonko will probably also be outmost of the day so there is no danger of she being discovered without Kyon to backup.

By the way, what exactly was that Protection Against Theft? I couldn't understand. And what are these prayer slip? Google didn't hepled me with this one.

Also, Kaisos, aswer my questions, danmit! Should or shouldn't I archive this post? There are more of these? And how should I list it?

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I'm sure he'll be safe.

Probably.

What? In situations like that is just a matter of time to Haruhi discover. Hadn't you read any romance comedy? If the main girl can misunderstand something and be jelous, she will missunderstand something and be jelous.

Originally Posted by swtrooper42

Wasn't there a choice to send her to stay at Yuki's apartment on the true route or something?

Only if you have enough flags. And these flags are only avaiable if you have beat the game enough times. Kaisos is probably hidding the scene (if he had write it up already, which is improbable, that is it).

Originally Posted by swtrooper42

Now if I remember correctly, Imouto always wakes Kyon up everyday since he likes to sleep as late as possible. Therefore, to avoid suspicion, Kyon must do the unthinkable, wake up early!

Lol, that is true. At last I guess he can just lock the door. Assuming his door has a lock, that is it. It is that common on Japan?

Originally Posted by swtrooper42

Now this opens a whole other thing. What about the sleeping arrangements? Who gets the bed? Well since it's technically both of theirs bed they're not going to back down over who gets the floor. If the Kyons have one thing they're passionate about, it's sleep. Therefore, the obvious solution is to share the bed.

See, many, many problems hidding people on a room. Anyway, it is a japanese house, even if Kyon sleep on a bed, I guess there is a futon lieing around somewhere? It might be a problem getting it without his mother, or his sister, noticing, but I guess they could just wait for then to sleep.

Originally Posted by Binjovi

Male Kyon is also a sucker for cute girls, and tries to be chivalrous as long as he can be lazy about it.

This is an awesome description of Kyon chivalry.

Originally Posted by Joe4evr

Well, some of the listed examples have very little H compared to plot. In fact, you can usually remove all the H-scenes and still keep a perfectly good plot, that's why those have all-age verions.

And anime adaptions. Sometime Most of times you can't even tell it was originally an H game. The porn is mostly there just to sell.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by Heatth

By the way, what exactly was that Protection Against Theft? I couldn't understand. And what are these prayer slip? Google didn't hepled me with this one.

You know those small rectangular pieces of paper Japanese people put up to ward against demons or such? Those things. (Sorry, but I don't have the time to screenshot one out of an anime right now.)

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Joe4evr

You know those small rectangular pieces of paper Japanese people put up to ward against demons or such? Those things. (Sorry, but I don't have the time to screenshot one out of an anime right now.)

Oh, these things. Yeah, I know what it is, thanks. I believe the japanese name is 'ofuda' right (or is 'ofuda' more specific?). Anyway, I read the term 'talisman' or even 'charm' more often so I found 'prayer slip' weird. I guess it is not wrong, tough.

[s07195]

Originally Posted by Heatth

Anyway, that scene was amazing. Kyonko have just been assalted by a guy but don't think twice in accepting sleeping on his house. It make sense in the context, but it is still funny anyway.

Context is all, remember?

Only if you have enough flags. And these flags are only avaiable if you have beat the game enough times. Kaisos is probably hidding the scene (if he had write it up already, which is improbable, that is it).

I think he said on somewhere sometime he wrote it...or did he? I must be hallucinating.

This is an awesome description of Kyon chivalry.

Really minor nitpicking.

Originally Posted by Khu

Yeah I know it can have both, but just depending. *shrug* I'd rather plot than h.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I'm sure he'll be safe.

Probably.

Kyon: "And Haruhi destroyed the world." THE END.
Tiger Dojo time!
"You screwed up so badly I can't even comment on it!" lol

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Pretty sure that comes later. Kyon's still calling her "Girl A," after all.



Solution is simple: Kyonko sleeps in the closet. Hey, it worked for Rukia.

C'mon, this is Kyonko we're talking about! I'd gladly sleep in the closet for her.
Imouto:"Eh? Where'd Kyon-kun go?"

Sorry if I put the quote posts in the wrong order.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by s07195

Kyon: "And Haruhi destroyed the world." THE END.
Tiger Dojo time!
"You screwed up so badly I can't even comment on it!" lol

This should be with the Tsuruyas laughing you square in the face. (Are there gonna be sprites like that?)

Here's an idea for the Tiger Dojo, occasionally different characters based on how much you f***ed up.

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by Khu

Yeah I know it can have both, but just depending. *shrug* I'd rather plot than h.

Originally Posted by Joe4evr

Well, some of the listed examples have very little H compared to plot. In fact, you can usually remove all the H-scenes and still keep a perfectly good plot, that's why those have all-age verions.

True, true. Sometimes even implying something H-related has happened will be sufficiently enough to advance the plot, making the concept stronger. Worldruined recently posted the cover of a Disapperance Yuki x Kyon doujinshi that's a good example. I officially hate Fan-fic Kyon everywhere. Officially.

Back on topic, I love how Kyonko realized that Kyon had that 'look' on his face while she was hugging him... Probably the same look she has while looking at Mitsuuru in the clubroom

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

I officially hate Fan-fic Kyon everywhere. Officially.

Err... wow, have you read Meet the Suzumiyas yet? It's practically no different from the original novels.

Err... someone get the thread back on its tracks before it's too late.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by Heatth

What? In situations like that is just a matter of time to Haruhi discover. Hadn't you read any romance comedy? If the main girl can misunderstand something and be jelous, she will missunderstand something and be jelous.

Except, according to Kaisos...

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

She's the main heroine... they're going to end up doing a lot more than kissing, believe me.

Haruhi's not the main girl here.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Heatth

But that headphones are really evil huh? I didn't get one thing, tough, was Kyon's leg numb because the headphones or because Kyonko beating he so many times?

I would assume because Kyonko was kicking him. Didn't she kick his shin quite hard multiple times, or at least threaten to?

Originally Posted by Heatth

Also, intersting how this time the headphones did not come back.

Yet.

Originally Posted by Heatth

By the way, what exactly was that Protection Against Theft? I couldn't understand. And what are these prayer slip? Google didn't hepled me with this one.

Typically prayer slips are used by monks and miko to ward against evil. In this case, they would likely have been made by Yuuki or Itsuko's organization, and thus likely make things invisible to those who it doesn't belong to. Since Kyon = Kyonko, he'd be able to see them still.

*edit* Damn, beaten to it!

Originally Posted by Heatth

Lol, that is true. At last I guess he can just lock the door. Assuming his door has a lock, that is it. It is that common on Japan?

If he could do that, wouldn't he have done so long ago?

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by s07195

Context is all, remember?

Not when we are talking about jokes

Originally Posted by s07195

Really minor nitpicking.

Fixxed. Thanks.

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

I officially hate Fan-fic Kyon everywhere. Officially.

Really? I haven't read many Haruhi Fan-Fic, but I beleive Kaisos' Kyon is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Except, according to Kaisos...Haruhi's not the main girl here.

Point.

How about that then: If something can happen to disturb the main girl's and the hero's romance, this will happen. It is still true.

Originally Posted by GDB

I would assume because Kyonko was kicking him. Didn't she kick his shin quite hard multiple times, or at least threaten to?

Not to mention the kick on his groin. One would lose the movment of his legs just by taht.

Originally Posted by GDB

Yet.

Even still. Usually they come back before Kyon arrive home. And this time he arrives latter then he usually does.

Originally Posted by GDB

Typically prayer slips are used by monks and miko to ward against evil. In this case, they would likely have been made by Yuuki or Itsuko's organization, and thus likely make things invisible to those who it doesn't belong to. Since Kyon = Kyonko, he'd be able to see them still.

Hmmm, Yuuki ca't use his 'magic' as he is keeping low profile to avoid Yuki's IDE. And The Organization, as far I know, can't use magic. At most these things would sound an alarm

Originally Posted by GDB

If he could do that, wouldn't he have done so long ago?

Why would him? Even if I could lock my door, I wouldn't just to prevent my young brother to come in, no matter how much annoying he is sometimes. This is kinda jerkass, in my opinion. And His sister is usually being nice to wake him up.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Heatth

Even still. Usually they come back before Kyon arrive home. And this time he arrives latter then he usually does.

They may already be in his room, though. The scene stopped before they actually went into the house, and they always appeared on his bed after being taken away.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by GDB

They may already be in his room, though. The scene stopped before they actually went into the house, and they always appeared on his bed after being taken away.

Ah, true. My mistake. Kaisos like to end up the scene that follows the Flashes in Space with the headphones, so I just assumed they weren't there. However, this is usually because that scene is the last one of given girl. Since Kyonko have more scens he is probably doing something different.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Would be fun to see what'd happen if they showed up with Kyonko in the room...

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by swtrooper42

Now this opens a whole other thing. What about the sleeping arrangements? Who gets the bed? Well since it's technically both of theirs bed they're not going to back down over who gets the floor. If the Kyons have one thing they're passionate about, it's sleep. Therefore, the obvious solution is to share the bed.

That's what the next scene is about.

Originally Posted by Heatth

But that headphones are really evil huh? I didn't get one thing, tough, was Kyon's leg numb because the headphones or because Kyonko beating he so many times?

Both. Kyonko was, however, continuing to kick him even after he died.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Also, intersting how this time the headphones did not come back. Speaking on that, if you just reject Kyon-chan, of don't having the Thief flag, shouldn't have an extra scene with the Headphones backing? And a new variable, since Kyonko would notice it have vanished?

The headphones don't come back in CoOp or True, but there will be an extra scene if you didn't get a route immediately.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Speaking on that Thief variable, it will be painfull have coming this far and ending up empty handed.

Difficulty curve.

Originally Posted by Heatth

By the way, what exactly was that Protection Against Theft? I couldn't understand. And what are these prayer slip? Google didn't hepled me with this one.

They're ofuda, but "charm" or "talisman" implies, to me, the sort you'd carry around as, well, a charm. This is the larger version, the sort you stick on shrines to purify them. Okami, (which is an excellent game that I recommend, by the way) used the term "prayer slips" for them (although they were used to throw at ghosts to destroy them rather than to seal things) so I decided to use that translation.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Also, Kaisos, aswer my questions, danmit! Should or shouldn't I archive this post? There are more of these? And how should I list it?

There's a bunch of these, yeah. Just do a search for "Director".

Originally Posted by Heatth

What? In situations like that is just a matter of time to Haruhi discover. Hadn't you read any romance comedy? If the main girl can misunderstand something and be jelous, she will missunderstand something and be jelous.

Ironically, that's more the plot of True than it is of CoOp.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Lol, that is true. At last I guess he can just lock the door. Assuming his door has a lock, that is it. It is that common on Japan?

Kyon's door doesn't have a lock.

Originally Posted by s07195

Context is all, remember?

That's actually a quote from the Handmaid's Tale, but yeah, it definitely applies to this game.

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

Back on topic, I love how Kyonko realized that Kyon had that 'look' on his face while she was hugging him... Probably the same look she has while looking at Nagato in the clubroom

Fixed for you.

Originally Posted by GDB

Typically prayer slips are used by monks and miko to ward against evil. In this case, they would likely have been made by Yuuki or Itsuko's organization, and thus likely make things invisible to those who it doesn't belong to. Since Kyon = Kyonko, he'd be able to see them still.

That's not how they work, though it's a good theory. They actually "bind" objects that they're attached to, making it very difficult to move them for the people who didn't place the slips to begin with

They may also have other, more interesting abilities. Yuuki didn't really explain when he made them.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Both. Kyonko was, however, continuing to kick him even after he died.

I guess I can't blame her.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Difficulty curve.

I know, I still pitty who get taht far and don't get nothing. Btw, there are going to be, like, 4 'dojos' for the wholle first week right? It will be hard to write then to help you to get that many different scenes. (and kyonko's route is pretty hard, as it implies you have to be a jerck with her at first and just latter be nice).

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

They're ofuda, but "charm" or "talisman" implies, to me, the sort you'd carry around as, well, a charm. This is the larger version, the sort you stick on shrines to purify them. Okami, (which is an excellent game that I recommend, by the way) used the term "prayer slips" for them (although they were used to throw at ghosts to destroy them rather than to seal things) so I decided to use that translation.

I see. This term feel kinda weird to me, but you have a point. But I tought a talisman also could be something not really portatle, so I think it is also an apropriate translation for ofuda.

Btw, Japan has also 'omamori', an object that is, indeed, more like a charm.

Oh, yeah Okami is awesome. I 'have' this game as well, for Wii. I am in the beggining, tough.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

There's a bunch of these, yeah. Just do a search for "Director".

Ok then.

PP: By 'a bunch' you mean 'just two'? Because it is all I found. There was only 3 pages with posts with 'Director" so I could look all of then, and only two have relevant content.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

That's not how they work, though it's a good theory. They actually "bind" objects that they're attached to, making it very difficult to move them for the people who didn't place the slips to begin with

They may also have other, more interesting abilities. Yuuki didn't really explain when he made them.

So it was Yuuki who made then? How haven't Yuki noticed it? I guess he could have done that while they were moving, so Yuki just couldn't reach then on time.