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Sakuratsuki · 2013-06-19, 05:03

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

A 'tadaima' Kyousuke, and a "welcome home" kiss from Kirino....?

I'm not asking too much. Right? Right?

...will squeeze in joy if that happens.....

Me too. If that happens......................

zubalikei · 2013-06-19, 09:07

What pisses me off is that in fact we don't know how Kyousuke and Kirino will deal their situation.
Look: if they settled things in order to being normal siblings despite their love feelings, then the author could show us a real effort from them to achieve this goal. That would be a definite way to end the story and we could imagine the future, the implications and the possible logical developments from this ending. We could calm down... either being happy or unappy with the ending. Before the epilogue seemed it will happen, but noooo....

They go out to an event from their otaku partners. She suddenly asks him to buy her a ring (not a Meruru BD, or an eroge, or a game character figure, but an object more significant for a couple and particularly for their own story: a ring!). Does it not make him remember something?
Then Kyousuke concludes (at my vision, correctly) that buying a ring to Kirino is not quite good because he is no longer her boyfriend! What's her response when he demonstrates not want to buy the ring?? "We are siblings... there is no problem!" (Huuu??? No problem!!?)
They start to ignore from this very moment the agreement to be normal siblings!! They permit ONE couple's characteristic action (in Kyousuke's point of view). Here started my confusion....
After that in "retaliation" Kyousuke uses his wish to kiss Kirino. Where was the kiss does not matter. They permit ONE MORE couple's characteristic action (in Kirinos's side of view) and as result she acts very tsundere... (This could generate a chain reaction in order to break the agreement? O my.... I don't no... it is not clear!)
Kyousuke's response cames in same way: "We are siblings, then there is no problem!"

The confusion in my mind is stated... in the epilogue the settlement of being normal siblings is messy and in fact we don't know what Kyousuke and Kirino intends to do.
As a result there is no way to conclude if they intend to elope in a distant future, or if they are actually lovers in secret, or if they will continuously smash their own feelings in order to live like (almost) normal siblings...
The autor don't permit us to know the true path chosen by the main characters... it's an excessively open ending...

The doubts pops out everytime in my mind. The "10 years after" short story doesn't help...

I enjoyed the light novel from the very start till the end and I was huge impacted, but I think that there is much more story to tell. This sensation is painfull.

Sorry for these pathetic comments, but I did need to talk about this (also pathetic) thoughts from my mind... I will have a long time until calm down my feelings and stop thinking about Oreimo.

Kakurin · 2013-06-19, 09:49

Part 2 of Chapter 1

Spoiler for Part 2 Chapter 1:

seangel92 · 2013-06-19, 10:02

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Originally Posted by SigUp

Part 2 of Chapter 1

Spoiler for Part 2 Chapter 1:

Two parts "two"? xD

Kakurin · 2013-06-19, 10:16

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Originally Posted by seangel92

Two parts "two"? xD

Yep, the other one was the upper half. It is included in this part 2.

jandkas · 2013-06-19, 11:32

In the oreimo dvd 1 animated commentary you can find online
Have you ever noticed that Super Kyousuke was mentioned way back and said to appear in vol 12, and he even says the line "because we're siblings" way back. ITS A CONSPIRACY joking aside maybe they had some planning.

s0beit · 2013-06-19, 12:28

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Originally Posted by jandkas

In the oreimo dvd 1 animated commentary you can find online
Have you ever noticed that Super Kyousuke was mentioned way back and said to appear in vol 12, and he even says the line "because we're siblings" way back. ITS A CONSPIRACY joking aside maybe they had some planning.

I'm sure there was a vague vision of how he wanted it to end.

seangel92 · 2013-06-19, 14:21

Where is the "time skip"?

***relentlessflame*** · 2013-06-19, 20:58

Note that I did move some recent posts to the Fanfiction thread.

Maugomale · 2013-06-19, 23:44

http://ebook.itmedia.co.jp/ebook/art...0/news020.html

New interview? It was featured on Yaraon, so maybe it's important

***relentlessflame*** · 2013-06-20, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Maugomale

http://ebook.itmedia.co.jp/ebook/art...0/news020.html

New interview? It was featured on Yaraon, so maybe it's important

I'll post some interesting highlights as I read it (so will update this post as I go)...

- The author's main feeling after the work being over is "lonely" (sort of sad that it's over).

- The author felt a great deal of pressure in finishing the ending knowing that the anime was also going to be adapting the story to the end.

- The ending had been planned for a long time, and become more concrete around the time that the author was working on the bonus features (the animated commentaries) for the first season of the anime.

- His thoughts when writing the ending were influenced by Kirino "if" ending in the OreImo Portable game where Kirino's feelings were able to be completely rewarded (thanks to the "if" twist). Obviously in the real work he couldn't make use of that twist, and so couldn't write the ending in a clear/obvious way, but when he considered the extent of Kirino's feelings for Kyousuke, he decided that he had to "do something about it".

- By the end of the story, his favourite character is Kirino, but it wasn't that way at first and he was just as annoyed with her as Kyousuke was at the beginning. But having her hide her true romantic feelings was part of the setting, and so he struggled to bring out the charm of this hated heroine little by little over the course of the narrative. And then, as all these developments started adding up, the amount of people who came to like her increased, and that made the author happy.

- The timing for the release of the last novel was to some extent at the discretion of the author, but also the result of various circumstances. Still, it wasn't purely by chance, so the author apologizes for keeping readers waiting for so long.

- The anime staff knew ahead of time that they wouldn't be able to adapt all the way to the last volume and fit it into the TV airing, so that's why they chose the unusual release for the last few episodes. The author thinks is mostly just because the staff want to do a good job with it.

- They talk a little bit about how this franchise has been so successful as a "media mix", with so many collaborations and tie-ins. The author mentioned that he just accepted them gratefully at first, but as the work got more and more popular he couldn't stop.

The editor says that though they risked going overboard, the author decided not to worry about it. The setting of OreImo had offered a lot of possibilities for them to basically do whatever they wanted in terms of tie-ins. Even inside the work itself, Kirino worked as a model so could appear on billboards, and that wouldn't be at all out-of-character. So they had a lot of freedom. And, the anime isn't over yet, so there are still more opportunities to come.

- Regarding the Railgun collaboration, because he knew his partner was a great writer, the OreImo author basically took the liberty to write whatever he wanted with abandon assuming that the Index author would say something if he had a problem with it... but he hasn't said anything yet. So the author is half-worried about their next meeting...

- Regarding Kirino basically becoming one of the representative characters for the Dengeki Bunko imprint, the author apologizes for being a troublemaker (and comments that the other writers must be sick of him), but says that he doesn't let that pressure affect his writing or change what he wants to write. He says that "occasionally I have no choice but to change what I want to write, but I decided from the get-go that I wouldn't write something 'lukewarm'". (i.e. That he wouldn't write just to please others, or in response to pressure.)

- So far OreImo hasn't been released in e-book format, and the editor says that it's still being decided, but should happen in time. The author says that from his perspective, he doesn't mind if people consume books electronically since the contents are the same, though it would bug him a little bit if the resulting format didn't preserve the presentation of the page (the amount of letters on a line, etc.). The author also says that he personally owns a Kindle Paperwhite and loves it.

- When asked if he feels any stress when reading on an e-reader, he says that turning the pages is a bit slow, particularly for manga. And the biggest problem is that e-books aren't available day-and-date with printed releases, and he's the type who likes to read things on day one. He says otherwise he'd like to buy e-books...

- Regarding the latest discussions about freedom of expression in manga (i.e. related to the proposed revisions to the child porn laws), the author unsurprisingly says that he doesn't think the publishing industries need further regulation. (my comment: This is sort of a silly interview question, fishing for an easy quote.)

- To close, the author thanks all the readers for sticking with him for these five years, and says that he's happy if readers liked even one of the characters from the OreImo universe. Work has begun on his new work, and he's trying hard to make charming characters that will give OreImo a run for its money, and hopes everyone will look forward to the day when they get to meet them.

(The End)

My comments: That makes two interviews now where the author suggests pretty clearly that his true intention in the ending was held-back by Dengeki Bunko's editorial policies. I'm a bit surprised they're letting him say that much, but I guess the risk isn't too big at this point. By pointing to the OreImo Portable if ending, it gives a sense of the direction he wanted to give to Kirino. (And, personally speaking, I totally felt the same way when I played the OreImo Portable game; there was something about that ending that was freeing, like a giant weight taken off of the story's shoulders despite the cop-out employed in the game. So it doesn't surprise me at all that this was an inspiration for the novel ending's final form. So what the author says here about realizing the extent of Kirino's feelings and needing to do something about it really rings true to me.) I also think it's interesting that, even as the author, he sort of treats himself in a bit of a detached sense from his characters -- like how he hates his own work's main heroine, and the story ends once the author finally comes to love her (echoing the journey of Kyousuke in the narrative). It sort of gives you the sense that he sees himself as more of an "instigator", and the characters just react according to "who they are". That's why it's also telling to me that he explains his new work in terms of the new characters you'll meet. Not surprisingly, I think the characters are probably this work's greatest strength.

I do also feel a tiny bit vindicated when the author said that Kirino hiding her true romantic feelings was part of the setting from the get-go, only because of all those long arguments we had back in the s1 airing days about Kirino's true feelings and her reason for acting the way she did. Some people kept insisting that there was nothing romantic there, and she was just being "bitchy" purely because of whatever he did in the past. A tiny part of me gets to say "I told you so."

Wilshere · 2013-06-20, 01:36

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

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So he confirmed it twice that he indeed wanted to give Kirino a happy ending for hiding her romantic feelings for Kyousuke,and the only reason he cant show it is because of editing policies. I dont know how many times I've (most of the people on this forum) said it but I think this just cleared things up. And just like what I said,in the beginning she acts outrageous,then gradually by time passing she shows her true kind side. Pretty sad that this series have come to an end but at least we know it has closure. Cheers mate

kaigan · 2013-06-20, 02:31

so officially, it can't be denied that it's an absolutely completely romantic kirino end. hope nothing can change that =)

btw, what's the railgun collaboration about? will touma facepunch manami and shatter that illusion of hers?

Kakurin · 2013-06-20, 02:58

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

- The ending had been planned for a long time, and become more concrete around the time that the author was working on the bonus features (the animated commentaries) for the first season of the anime.

My comments: That makes two interviews now where the author suggests pretty clearly that his true intention in the ending was held-back by Dengeki Bunko's editorial policies. I'm a bit surprised they're letting him say that much, but I guess the risk isn't too big at this point.

Yesterday I went and watched some of the commentaries and I must say, knowing volume 12 some comments really gave a hint towards the development.

As for the editorial policies, well if the publisher insists, then there's only so much an author can do. So I don't think people should blame him too much, if they think the ending is too open.

Xero8420 · 2013-06-20, 03:00

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Originally Posted by SigUp

Yesterday I went and watched some of the commentaries and I must say, knowing volume 12 some comments really gave a hint towards the development.

As for the editorial policies, well if the publisher insists, then there's only so much an author can do. So I don't think people should blame him too much, if they think the ending is too open.

How so that the ending is too open?

Though... I'm not sure if he would make some extras for the OreImo LN or not.

Kakurin · 2013-06-20, 03:16

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Originally Posted by Xero8420

How so that the ending is too open?

Though... I'm not sure if he would make some extras for the OreImo LN or not.

I'm not saying that I think the ending is too open. I have a pretty set interpretation of the ending.

Sakuratsuki · 2013-06-20, 06:16

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Originally Posted by Wilshere

So he confirmed it twice that he indeed wanted to give Kirino a happy ending for hiding her romantic feelings for Kyousuke,and the only reason he cant show it is because of editing policies. I dont know how many times I've (most of the people on this forum) said it but I think this just cleared things up. And just like what I said,in the beginning she acts outrageous,then gradually by time passing she shows her true kind side. Pretty sad that this series have come to an end but at least we know it has closure. Cheers mate

I just have one thing to say: screw the editing policies

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So it was planned from the start

. I have said it a couple of times. Kirino's behavior from the start gives you the impression that this girl is hiding something.

EDIT: i haven't played the IF part of Kirino on PSP. But i will do it soon now ahaha.

EDIT 2: @seangel92: I know what you mean. Somebody called one of my comments to be very STUPID

. He even said it is on the level of fanboy crap. Well, now he can read that comment again and he can read the interview of the author. So he can decide if that comment is really that stupid, like he said before.

seangel92 · 2013-06-20, 06:22

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Originally Posted by mayid

I just have one thing to say: screw the editing policies

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So it was planned from the start

. I have said it a couple of times. Kirino's behavior from the start gives you the impression that this girl is hiding something.

People called me crazy, who is the crazy now? I saw it since episode (Eroges with incest? bitch, pls.)

zubalikei · 2013-06-20, 07:51

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

...That makes two interviews now where the author suggests pretty clearly that his true intention in the ending was held-back by Dengeki Bunko's editorial policies. I'm a bit surprised they're letting him say that much, but I guess the risk isn't too big at this point. By pointing to the OreImo Portable if ending, it gives a sense of the direction he wanted to give to Kirino...

Very good... I'm more satisfied, hehehehe..... I think now the autor decreased the possible paths concerning the future of Kirino and Kyousuke...
There are much more chances their choice will be to live as a couple in some way, as the author claims his inspiration came from Kirino's If route in PSP game.

Xero8420 · 2013-06-20, 08:49

So... Will there be anything to fill in the gap within the ten years time-skip?

Besides, I heard that Ayase is Kirino's "proxy" for the love for Kyousuke. Was it true? It was from the PSP version though.

2013-06-19, 09:07	Link #3862
zubalikei Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013	What pisses me off is that in fact we don't know how Kyousuke and Kirino will deal their situation. Look: if they settled things in order to being normal siblings despite their love feelings, then the author could show us a real effort from them to achieve this goal. That would be a definite way to end the story and we could imagine the future, the implications and the possible logical developments from this ending. We could calm down... either being happy or unappy with the ending. Before the epilogue seemed it will happen, but noooo.... They go out to an event from their otaku partners. She suddenly asks him to buy her a ring (not a Meruru BD, or an eroge, or a game character figure, but an object more significant for a couple and particularly for their own story: a ring!). Does it not make him remember something? Then Kyousuke concludes (at my vision, correctly) that buying a ring to Kirino is not quite good because he is no longer her boyfriend! What's her response when he demonstrates not want to buy the ring?? "We are siblings... there is no problem!" (Huuu??? No problem!!?) They start to ignore from this very moment the agreement to be normal siblings!! They permit ONE couple's characteristic action (in Kyousuke's point of view). Here started my confusion.... After that in "retaliation" Kyousuke uses his wish to kiss Kirino. Where was the kiss does not matter. They permit ONE MORE couple's characteristic action (in Kirinos's side of view) and as result she acts very tsundere... (This could generate a chain reaction in order to break the agreement? O my.... I don't no... it is not clear!) Kyousuke's response cames in same way: "We are siblings, then there is no problem!" The confusion in my mind is stated... in the epilogue the settlement of being normal siblings is messy and in fact we don't know what Kyousuke and Kirino intends to do. As a result there is no way to conclude if they intend to elope in a distant future, or if they are actually lovers in secret, or if they will continuously smash their own feelings in order to live like (almost) normal siblings... The autor don't permit us to know the true path chosen by the main characters... it's an excessively open ending... The doubts pops out everytime in my mind. The "10 years after" short story doesn't help... I enjoyed the light novel from the very start till the end and I was huge impacted, but I think that there is much more story to tell. This sensation is painfull. Sorry for these pathetic comments, but I did need to talk about this (also pathetic) thoughts from my mind... I will have a long time until calm down my feelings and stop thinking about Oreimo. Last edited by zubalikei; 2013-06-19 at 09:13. Reason: correcting

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Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	Part 2 of Chapter 1 Spoiler for Part 2 Chapter 1: - And then, time unknowingly passed and reached Christmas eve. - It was a cold morning that really exhibited the feeling of winter ---- according to our arrangement, we left home seperately and met up in front of the station. - I arrived very smoothly at the entrance of the monorail station and found the figure of my imouto. - ---- the clothes she wore, were definitely.... the ones she wore during last year's Christmas. - I see... one year has already passed. - This feeling was strangely emotional. Kirino stood in a pose just like a model and even when wearing the same outfit as last year, she seemed much more adult. In only one year, she changed so much, that you could mistake her for somebody else. - Kirino made the people passing by the station fix their sights on her. - I also felt a little bit proud and raised my hand to greet her. - "Yo, how long have you waited?" - Seeing me, Kirino gave me a fierce glance. - "--- so slow! How long do you intend to have me wait here?" - "I've arrived ten minutes earlier than agreed, okay! By the way, when meeting up with you, it generally unfolds like this." - I already grew close to being weary of it. - "Shut up. Hmph, then it should be clear to you what I want to say, even without me saying it out loud." - "'The time we agreed upon doesn't matter, the important thing is to arrive earlier than me'... right?" - "You understand it so clearly, so why don't you act accordingly?" - Don't make demands that are physically impossible to accomplish! - "Running would make it work" - "..........." - If I caught up to Kirino by running, then she probably would change to a different way to be angry at me... that girl. - So in the end, no matter what I would do, I surely would get into a fight. Because that is just the way of us two siblings. - "--- good, then... let's go" - "Mhm" - I reached out with my right hand and dutifully took her bag. - "And?" - The meaning of this angering 'And?' was roughly speaking the question of 'Where are we going first?'... probably. - "Let's go buy those clothes first. Didn't you say you'd help me choose my clothing?" - "That's okay. I don't want to walk together with someone who is plain as hell." - "Yes, yes, sorry for that." - This kind of mockery already couldn't hurt me anymore. On the contrary, it could be looked at as that girl's smile --- thinking about it, I couldn't blame Mikagami if he said that this was some kind of masochistic behaviour... I have to reflect upon that. - "........" - Then, I noticed that Kirino was ji~~~~~~~~ staring at my face the entire time. - "? Is something?" - "Hmm, nothing. Nothing's going on." - Turning her body to the other side, Kirino hurriedly started to walk forward. - "Oy, oy, wait --- don't just go ahead by yourself." - Although that was nothing new, but still like always, it was hard to understand my imouto's actions. - "We still haven't decided on the destination, so why the hurry." - Picking up the pace, I caught up and walked right besides her. - "Anyway, you probably don't understand much about those clothing stores. So, just be quiet and follow me." - "... ah, I see. But you could at least first tell me where we are going" - Hearing my sarcastic tone, Kirino answered in a very happy manner. - "To the place where you once bought those pants." - After we got off the tram --- - "So, Harajuku... I haven't been here in three years." - The city of the youth, Harajuku. I am not self-deriding my home of Chiba as a village, but the usual splendor of Tokyo is indeed incomparable, and I couldn't refrain myself from looking around like a villager. (?) - Right, three years ago --- I went there to buy a pair of pants, in order to complete the task received from the truant Sakurai Akimi. Since then this was the second time I went there. - "Still lively as always." - Harajuku's streets also possessed a very Christmassy atmosphere... moreover there were many obvious men and women pairings. - Christmas dates... probably. - Even though the temperature was so low, those guys were burning hot. I was so envious of them. - "Yare, yare... don't we also look like a couple to the people around, when being together like this?" - "A, are you stupid!?" - How many times did I already receive this 'Are you stupid' today. Wasn't this slowly going over the top, explaining every meaning contained in them was too tiresome. Furthermore I didn't even know whether I got them right. - "Besides, didn't Kanako also say. --- that we don't look like lovers, even when standing next to each other." - "Did she." - She really remembers all those trivial things. I was impressed. - "Then that's a real pity." - "... you, want us to look like a pair of lovers? .... ueh~ that's really gross." - "... you're really an imouto who is irritated at everything. As we are surrounded by couples, it wouldn't be embarassing, if we also acted a little bit like one, right?" - "Hmm, I see. By the way... you are a bit too conceited as of late." - "Ha~?" - What... what's she complaining about now? - Kirino walked in a not close, yet not far position besides me, I peeked at her and discovered that she also stared at me from the side. - "Although due to our prior conversations, we managed to solve our mutual misunderstandings, and I also got to know that you wanted to improve our relationship." - "Although, what?" - "....." - Kirino suddenly stopped, lowered her head and said. - "Do, don't act like a boyfriend." - "I ~~~~~~~~ didn't!" - Don't force me to shout out loud in the middle of the street, damn! - "Hah? You honestly did" - "I didn't" - "You so were ~~~~~ 'Don't we also look like a couple to the people around, when being together like this' or 'It's a pity we don't look like lovers', weren't you already getting carried away? Treating this super-cute imouto as your partner!" - "I didn't mean it like this!" - Being picked on my words like that, I really did understand the feelings of those politicians. - "Then, what did you mean?" - "I didn't mean anything, just a simple chat. You are the one who is too conscious about this." - "!? I, I am not too conscious about this!" - "Hah? You clearly are?" - "I'm not!" - "You so were ~~~~~~~ turning overly self-conscious and then quoting some deep meaning into my words" - I imitated her mockery, Kirino let out a, - "Gniiiii.......!" - sound of teeth rubbing on teeth, while staring at me in anger. - "How can you say something like that!? You clearly didn't need to put it in a deliberately angering way!" - "Is that something you can say!" - That's absolutely something that boomerangs back to you! - "Heh, this couple is really amusing" - "A lover's quarrel~~~~~" ".... ah!" *2 - When we noticed that, we were already surrounded by onlookers. - "---- le, let's go!" __________________

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jandkas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	In the oreimo dvd 1 animated commentary you can find online Have you ever noticed that Super Kyousuke was mentioned way back and said to appear in vol 12, and he even says the line "because we're siblings" way back. ITS A CONSPIRACY joking aside maybe they had some planning. Last edited by jandkas; 2013-06-19 at 12:20.

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*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	Note that I did move some recent posts to the Fanfiction thread. __________________ [...]

2013-06-19, 14:21	Link #3868
seangel92 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013	Where is the "time skip"?

2013-06-19, 23:44	Link #3870
Maugomale Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	http://ebook.itmedia.co.jp/ebook/art...0/news020.html New interview? It was featured on Yaraon, so maybe it's important

2013-06-20, 02:31	Link #3873
kaigan Segmentation fault Join Date: Mar 2011	so officially, it can't be denied that it's an absolutely completely romantic kirino end. hope nothing can change that =) btw, what's the railgun collaboration about? will touma facepunch manami and shatter that illusion of hers?

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Xero8420 Ashigara's master Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: A disclosed area off coast Ryuku Islands Age: 32	So... Will there be anything to fill in the gap within the ten years time-skip? Besides, I heard that Ayase is Kirino's "proxy" for the love for Kyousuke. Was it true? It was from the PSP version though.