2012-11-22, 05:43 | Link #41 |
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Not to mention it's pretty difficult for us, the readers, to figure out which rules science can and can't break.
For example, can Smiles replicate existing fruit effects? Can Smiles replicate effects of other Smiles? Because we know for normal devil fruits, only one instance of an ability can exist in the world at any one time. You know it suddenly occurred to me. We have NEVER seen a tree that grows Devil Fruit have we? |
2012-11-22, 09:25 | Link #42 |
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I honestly don't think Kaidou is the one with the Devil Fruit army. There are a few clues behind this. When Law went to convince Luffy of his plan, Luffy agreed as soon as he heard what Youkou he would be targeting. One can assume this is Big Mam, as he already has animosity with them
Secondly, Nami was there when the discussion took place. She didn't vocalize any objections; if luffy was planning to take on another Yonkou, she'd be off her head Thirdly is the mysterious form of Pekoms. Perhaps artificial devil fruits have different properties than actual devil fruits, maybe they can coexist with two devil fruits. Hence why pekoms looked like a Lion (artifical devil fruit) as well as having turtle abilities (actual devil fruit). But thats just speculation. I think Kaidou's plot point will be behind the Mermaid Princess more than anything.
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2012-11-22, 11:39 | Link #43 | |
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I dunno, Pekoms strikes me as being sort of like Bepo.... an actual talking furry whose appearance is actually unrelated to a fruit. I mean, we never had any prior indication that Bepo is/was human, and the fact that he showed interest in female bears rather than human women further leads me to believe that he's just a talking bear (unless he's a man with some bizarre bear fetish or something ). But like I said in my last post, the main reason I don't suspect Charlotte is because she seems more interested in candy than creating a powerful beast army. But I guess I can some of her officers being interested in consolidating the crew's power with such forces, as long as they're able to keep Big Mama happy with their endless supplies of sweet, sweet candy..... |
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2012-11-22, 13:43 | Link #44 |
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After reading many of the posts here Im starting to change my mind about Kaidou being the zoan army warlord because big mama has been been teased, she;s got beef withe Luffy and also the peakom's paradox but ultimately it would give the straw hats more incentive to take her down besides the struggle of fish-man candy.
In the end I'm not bothered who it is just as long as Luffy gets into a bad ass fight and kicks some ass because thats really all we want right? =)
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2012-11-22, 16:59 | Link #46 | |
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2012-11-23, 06:33 | Link #50 |
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We don't need another Yonkou as SH ally.
They already have tons of both ex and present Shichibukai, An ex-admiral, high members of revolutionaries, multiple kingdoms, one Yonkou, former Whitebeard pirates, all as friends or potential allies. We need good quality villains, and Kaidou being yet another ally would be very anti-climactic. I can see being good terms with Big Mam AFTER massive conflict and eventual defeat though.
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2012-11-23, 07:07 | Link #51 |
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^Personally, I still expect Shanks and Luffy to fight one day. They are certainly allies of sorts, but I have also always seen them as rivals of sorts as well (more so on Luffy's end).
That being said, I vastly prefer Kaidou as a villian as well. He has cast such a sinister presence over the series, it's hard to imagine him as an ally. |
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I'm with you on Big Mom not being the one too,she cares for candy more than anything else,really doubt she's the one in charge of the army. |
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2012-11-23, 12:17 | Link #54 | |
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2012-11-23, 16:57 | Link #56 | |
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Yeah, "Smile" in this case refers to the synthetic fruits that CC is producing, not Dofla's jolly roger. Not that I doubt there's a connection between them, but I was specifically talking about the fruits.
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I dunno.... to be honest, I sort of doubt that Luffy will ever have a proper reunion with Shanks. Mainly because I have a strong feeling that Blackbeard will kill him before (or by the time) that Luffy reaches him. It's kinda like how a few years back many people figured that Luffy would eventually fight Ace and Whitebeard before the events leading up to Marineford surfaced..... |
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2012-11-24, 10:28 | Link #58 |
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I would be surprised if Luffy fights Donflamingo before going after a Yonkou, unless he is in the way of getting to the Yonkou.
Little rant. Donflamingo thinks long term. Suspect he has other plans as well beyond the artificial fruits. He profits from war and will continue to put himself in a position to be a broker. In fact he has ordered the destruction of the SAD production room, LAW to be killed and for CC and Monet to return. I think Law's plan is to take down the Yonkou that depends on a Zoan army by devising a way to negate the artificial DF. Not sure on who the Yonkou is, but its probably Big Mom. Shanks: has own power and doesn't seem like the kind of leader that would have this type of army, BlackBeard: has own way to get DF fruits and is looking for powerful ones not just zoans, Kaidou: too early to introduce yet another yonkou imho. This gives Luffy and Law the means to attack Big Mom. They will probably team up with Kid, Apoo and Hawkins. Whose help they will need since I think Donflamingo will step in to help the Yonkou whose devil fruit army with be negated, in order to protect his reputation. (if not he has some other weapons which are better?), heck Crocodile might even come into the mix and replace Donflamingo if one of Kid, Apoo or Hawkins don't want it. If the supernovas don't come together they may take out two Yonkous and really bring in the new age, Kid and Luffy become Yonkous? Rant over |
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With all that being said, I have a strong suspicion Kaido is the one doing business with Doflamingo.
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That being said, it is true that Kaidou and Shanks likely didn't fight. Negotiating, maybe, if so what? Kaidou seems like the scientist type, maybe even a disciple of vegapunk gone rogue. Given that, using science to better his army is possible. Big Mom and Kaidou are likely the first two Yonkous to fall. What is the order and by who. I doubt, Luffy takes them both out. |
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