2011-10-23, 11:59 | Link #4921 | |
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I care because I like Medaka's character, and pointless negativity and bashing are one of my pet peeves.
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2011-10-23, 12:12 | Link #4922 |
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Come on, let's calm down.
I'm not a Zen fan but i prefer him over medaka, But i don't want him to be God-like, I want him to beat Medaka, the question is: How? I mean, Medaka would be ecstatic if someone Beat her so I don't see a clear change in her personality after fight Zen, and the reason I support Zen its because his reason are more human, he just want to be important for Medaka, at the End the if this continue the place of Zen won't change, he always would be the same, that's why I want him to suprise in a way or another Ajimu and Medaka, not beat them but at least make them really amazed by him. Medaka lovers: take it easy, Nisio want to make Medaka less god-like, i think that the main theme in this serie. Zenkichi lovers: you too take it easy, I don't want Zen change to be a superman, I just want him to troll everybody else. in a note aside, Kumagawa is fucking amazing, I waiting his fight with munakata who is a great character too, how much better would be the series with protagonist like them... sigh |
2011-10-23, 12:17 | Link #4923 | |
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Zen is the normal who will beat the godess but in the end, will still be a normal. |
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2011-10-23, 12:34 | Link #4924 |
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I love how people assume the current dislike of Medaka is purely and entirely because of Zen. For me that had like nothing to do with it, I just disliked how the author turned her into a boring Mary Sue that has been holding back almost every major arc in the manga. The problem is I originally liked Medaka quite a fair bit but my god almost every major fight with her is anti-climatic making much of the proceding arc kinda pointless and kills all of the accumulated hype.
Surely there was better way set up whatever Nisio plans for the endgame of the manga without damaging so many arcs. If she reverted back to how she was near the begining flask plan arc etc I'd start liking her again but at this point it seems impossible. |
2011-10-23, 12:38 | Link #4925 | |
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2011-10-23, 12:43 | Link #4926 |
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Personally I'm thinking why doesn't Medaka just copy parasite seeing? One of her main flaws is the inability to understand normal people, but the skill would artificially give her an understanding about how others think. If she had been willing to talk it out they may have come to that conclusion without their relationship degenerating into a battle, but instead she decides to smack Zen upside the head and beat him senseless.
I don't hate Medaka, but if you're saying she has not been guilty of horrible behavior in the last few chapters I think you're missing what the author is attempting to do. |
2011-10-23, 12:48 | Link #4927 | |
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If I remember correctly she at least saw once Zen using parasite Eyes ...so why the hell her the end not learn that skill like with hiden weampon di Munakata ? Even with Munakata she dont fight directly and yet she learned the technique and the same is true with Naze. |
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2011-10-23, 12:55 | Link #4928 | |
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I'm not quite sure it would change her any, since I don't think that learning bookmaker (the super weakening skill) and using it on herself made her understand the weak any better. She uses it as a battle skill. I guess she might use parasite seeing as battle skill, but I think any empathy effects would just bounce off her internal personality armor. |
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2011-10-23, 12:55 | Link #4929 | |
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Kei's "Killer Instinct" is his Abnormality, but she didn't learn it because it wasn't actually used against her. (Thank goodness) She did however learn his Hidden Weapons technique by watching him use it against Zen. To learn "Parasite Seeing, Zen would have to use it against her in a fight. Which makes me wonder, what would Medaka see in people if she learned how to use Zenkichi's Abnormality? |
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2011-10-23, 12:59 | Link #4930 | |
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Now that I think about it, she copied the mind reading skill. I think Naze said that might have been the reason why Zenkichi was able to overcome Medaka's brainwashing. I think that mind reading may be a little bit stronger than parasite seeing.. And well, being able to read people's minds didn't seem to make her more empathic. Last edited by sungreentakeo; 2011-10-23 at 13:10. |
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2011-10-23, 13:11 | Link #4931 | |
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Having Zen's Abnormality probably wouldn't do much to Medaka other than give her a battle advantage. If she learned Parasite Seeing, it probably wouldn't register. Just because she could see what other people see and experience their point of view. Doesn't mean she would take it into account over her own point of view and react accordingly. |
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2011-10-23, 13:51 | Link #4932 | ||
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Aijimu can't win for obvious reasons that have nothing to do with her abilities that she's perfectly aware of. She's the final villain and final villains NEVER win. Hence why regardless of how strong she is it's impossible. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-10-23 at 14:03. |
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2011-10-23, 14:09 | Link #4933 |
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Wait. You think Medaka is supposed to be in the wrong here? I'd say there's no right in the first place. Zenkichi isn't trying to do anything right, he just wants to be by Medaka no matter what. So he opposes her. And Medaka wants to help Zenkichi grow in a sociopathic shounen way. By fighting him.
Zenkichi is selfish and says he's willing to do whatever. Medaka is a mix of selfish and selfless and is being a crazy shounen hero. In a twisted way, they're getting what they both want. When I think about it...I wonder if Medaka even thought of not fighting Zenkichi. I bet she didn't even think it's bad that he challenged her or bad that they fought. It's a shounen cliche: growth through fighting. Understanding through fighting. It's like Kumagawa and Medaka's big duel. Medaka loved fighting with him. (What is she, Goku?!) |
2011-10-23, 14:44 | Link #4934 | |
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It is also here were the lines can be drawn in regards to who is right and who is wrong, and the conclusion of the battle will most likely be closely inertwined with whose view point is "right" or whether there is even a "right" viewpoint in regards to the arguement. |
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2011-10-23, 14:59 | Link #4935 |
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i think the whole point of ajimu in making medaka and zen battle is to make medaka learn and use parasite eyes(even if she could transfer that ability directly herself)
each ability showed till now had some sort of personality drawback, i think parasite eyes has 2 stages of alteration 1. total empathy, becoming the nicest person (by adapting to others view) 2. cinism, becoming overly manipulative ajimu now is already at 2(she was at 1 in middle school), and i think her plan is to bring medake to her same mindset, that way she will no longer oppose her in medaka case learning that ability will nullify zenkichi's goal since the problem medaka had before meeting zen was not being able to enjoy anything since she could complete it with no effort or with no risk of failing while the goal zenkichi gave her, apart from giving a meaning and use to her ability, was also something even her could enjoy doing and wasn't completed by simply activing an ability i think when medaka will learn parasite eyes(and will perfect it) she'll stop enjoying even helping people as a goal, and will revert to the mindset before meeting zenkichi |
2011-10-23, 15:00 | Link #4936 |
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I just regard this arc where:
A) Zen receives important character development (learning his lesson) and the power-up required to face Hanten in the end. Since he can't do it in the state he is now. B) Kikaijima becomes an important factor that interferes with Ajimu's plans C) Medaka fixes a bit her lack of communication regarding people's feelings D) And the prelude to the real Ajimu Najimi arc where everyone learns to set their differences aside and unite to finally conclude who the real hindrance is, Anshin'nin. Right now, if you look at this arc from this point of view, you'll honestly care less about who's right and who's wrong. |
2011-10-23, 15:02 | Link #4938 | |
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2011-10-23, 15:18 | Link #4939 | ||
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but I still think the true final boss is Haten. |
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2011-10-23, 15:20 | Link #4940 | |
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just got a random speculation, what if having both "parasite eyes" and "the end" will allow medaka to directly learn any skill just by reading it from others mind? o_o that would be so hax :P hope it won't happen :3 |
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