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View Poll Results: Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 56 | 43.75% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 41 | 32.03% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 17.19% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 3.91% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.78% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.34% | |
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2013-06-02, 14:14 | Link #43 |
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Correct. Evolvers -> Hideauze, Continental Union -> Galactic Alliance.
Man I can't say I was totally surprised because in the speculation thread we had already found two interesting evidences that the whalesquids could be humans, but I didn't expect that the Hideauze in space were intelligent creatures with a complex society. I must agree that I find it hard to believe that anyone would be fine becoming such a "hideous" creature. Is there a point in having tentacles in space? They couldn't engineer a way to have a less repugnant shape? That apart I loved how almost every speculation about the secret base turned out to be correct. The space elevator was actually a space elevator and the mass driver was actually a mass driver The only true surprise here, for me at least, is the fact that it went absolutely smoothly for Ledo and Pinion. It appears that these Hideauze are extremely less dangerous than the spacefaring counterparts, both from fighting capabilities and from intelligence (since supposedly they aren't actually merged with humans). The Hideauze that Chamber squished, however, seemed different, with more distinguishable features. The strange fact is that it looked identical to "Elaine Matsumoto" which is supposed to be a human mixed with a symbiont. So what was that? Could it be that it was that Elaine Matsumoto since it is implied that the evolvers can live a lot longer than humans? The last question however now is... okay who is the bad guy? Frankly the Evolvers look like some kind of crazy inhuman collectivist faction from hell now. They are obviously prospering a lot more in space than the galactic alliance is, and I don't think that they are willing to co-exist with them anymore than they do. On the other side we have the fascist galactic alliance which at least are still human genetically (or a lot closer to that than their enemies). The government is telling lies to its people, which doesn't come as a surprise since they don't recognize human rights to begin with. They don't want anyone to even remember that the Hideauze are people and they probably don't even recognize them as such themselves. But if one thought that peace was impossible due to an impossibility to communicate, now you are faced with the fact that both factions are quite capable of that, and this is not much different from any other bloodied war. The universe is huge guys, as much as I don't find appealing the idea to sit next a squidly creature I don't think it'd be such a bother to let them live a few light years away. Now on earth the situation is clearly different. The whalesquid are most likely mindless creatures and the reason they have their nest in that facility is simply because they were born there. Whatever theory Ledo had about the Hideauze and their reason to attack humans it doesn't work for these creatures. They probably won't give a damn about humans developing new technologies. On the other hand they are pretty aggressive and so even if they have human DNA I can't quite consider them with more respect than I would for a raging gorilla. Which mean they should be protected as a species, but if some of them are in the way to get useful technology they can be "politely dispatched". Massacring them like Ledo did is still wrong though.
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2013-06-02, 14:14 | Link #44 |
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There's only 3 eps left, so it seems like using the wormhole generator to pull the GA (and space Hideaze) into the conflict would take too much time now? I could see a fight to prevent use of the wormhole generator, except ... who can opppose Ledo/Chamber? Maybe there are some neo Hideaze in orbit or something *shrug* The Ledo vs Chamber seems like the most interesting conflict left in the series anyway. I'd rather the last ~3 eps get into that & resolve the fleet breakup plot, instead of introducing something completely new. |
2013-06-02, 14:16 | Link #45 | |
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2013-06-02, 14:21 | Link #47 | |
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2013-06-02, 14:24 | Link #48 | |
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I expect that the question won't be answered (and neither will the fate of those two factions), except that they'll imply Gargantia's society is much better & Ledo will restore it to some sort of equilibrium. I am kind of apprehensive that Ledo will force Chamber to deactivate in the depths of some ocean trench .. I hope it won't be that stark of a "techonology == evil" kind of way to restore equilibrium to Gargantia. |
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2013-06-02, 14:27 | Link #49 | |
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2013-06-02, 14:30 | Link #51 | |
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Are these things closer to humans than chimps? They sure don't look so. I'd rather focus on whether they are sentient or not. the Hideauze on space seem to be sentient creatures and therefore deserve to be treated like you'd treat another human, even if they are not. Regarding the whalesquid I'm more inclined to agree with Aohige that those are just the symbiont that were created and that their vaguely human morphology comes from the fact that they were design to merge with humans. They probably have a lot of human DNA still. I'd say that they are mainly mindless given the way they act. I might be mistaken but if they aren't, then their aggressive behavior is quite hard to justify. There was no need to kill Pinion's brother and there was no point in attacking Bellows.
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2013-06-02, 14:34 | Link #53 | |
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The space Hideaze don't seem anymore sentient to me, just better fighters, but we haven't seen very much of them. |
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2013-06-02, 14:40 | Link #55 |
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So the reason the space war is happening is because the Hideauze followed the human colony ships and continued to fight there
reminds me of how some Irish immigrants continued their fued from their home country when they came to the United States in the 19th century
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2013-06-02, 14:40 | Link #56 | |
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There was one other point mentioned during the video, that the symbionts were powered by interactions with the nanomachines, at least when they were being developed. And... Chamber has now used a considerable amount of its energy reserve. There is some fudge factor there in whether they mean combat-usage power or total power, but certainly enough was expended in the whalesquid melee that Chekhov's Gun is fully-loaded. |
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2013-06-02, 14:41 | Link #57 |
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I think any one of us would try to kill an intruder that's entered where our children are sleeping. Speculated on this earlier in the thread, there is a possibility of getting the symbiont to merge with human DNA that doesn't retain memories of a living human ... which would make them start like newborns in the wild.
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2013-06-02, 14:47 | Link #58 | |
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They are basically chimera now; the suit has fused with the human to point where newborns are born with the suits. Heck, you can't call them suits anymore; whalesquids/Hideauze are basically a new species |
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2013-06-02, 14:47 | Link #59 | |
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That kind of response is justifiable for an animal not for a sentient being. You don't kill someone just because he intruded. At least not in civilized countries...
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