2012-12-16, 17:10 | Link #201 | |||
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I'll admit that I once attached too much importance to neg rep. It took me some time to realize that, with the possible exception of someone acting as a complete troll, neg rep would never effect you as much as pos rep did. Once I made that realization, I stopped caring about neg reps aside from concerns over them potentially silencing some unpopular opinions here. However, I've personally found that opinions are more diversified now then they used to be. I probably wouldn't credit the rep system for that, but it doesn't seem to me to be hurting matters. Quote:
I see a couple ways it could get worse. Speaking of which... Quote:
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2012-12-16, 18:09 | Link #202 | ||
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My view is entirely subjective, of course. My experience could just as well mean that the initial novelty of the forum has long since worn off and that I should have long since gone elsewhere to look for a broader range of more engaging discussions. As for the anime sub-forums, well, I've more than made clear my opinion on their "usefulness" in recent days. Truth be told, I've always found low-traffic standalone threads more "useful" than the mega sub-forums, despite their apparent "diversity". Quote:
2) It will be less intimidating for new members to join in the discussion. They need not fear speaking up against people with OMG massive green bars — which shouldn't have been a factor anyway but, according to past feedback, it apparently was. 3) People as a whole would dare to say exactly what they want to say, without fear of negrep reprisal. By all means, keep the feedback channel. Just don't revive any vestiges of the reputation system in the form of "likes". Frankly, I don't see why a simple thank-you post via the feedback channel isn't sufficient "reward". Why the need to accumulate "likes", if not for bragging rights? If you really, really must have the "likes", keep it private, so as to avoid returning to the old problem of farming for popularity, and all the other problems that follow the mindset. |
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2012-12-16, 18:42 | Link #203 | |||||
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Now, I thank you for you sharing your reasons for why you think this change will make AS better. However, I see some of this differently. Quote:
People tend to be appreciative of constructive posts, after all. Quote:
In fairness to you, I guess this might be some factor at least. Quote:
Of course, we'll just have to wait and see. But I don't think it's as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be. Quote:
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2012-12-16, 18:46 | Link #204 | |||
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Custom user titles, the increase in signatures and profile albums, the new options for social groups, these were all changes made on user feedback. Heck, when I was still a member, I suggested to unlock the [Quote] feature on profiles and "Shocker" my request was accepted and the quote and several other tags were implemented on profiles. The suggestion to implement more custom avatars was also accepted back in the day, and even now, many people still use said avatars.
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2012-12-16, 19:14 | Link #207 |
is this so?
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I was tired yesterday (just got home from an anime con) when posted my comment on this thread.
Posting again with a clearer mind after getting sufficient sleep. Removing reputation system does mean a form of "equality" for members. Members have "equal" rep, since there's no more rep system. New members can now post their opinions without fear of getting - from others.
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2012-12-16, 19:33 | Link #208 | |
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This was the chance to give the community the feeling that their feedback actually mattered and THEN decide based on the feedback what's best. I have no problem to pose a differing opinion and eventually being overruled for a given reason. Simply deciding something first and then opening up a "by the way, here you can comment on our decision" is not the worst option (at least you get the reasoning behind it and a way to voice disagreement), but it sure isn't the best either. My 0.018 € |
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2012-12-16, 19:54 | Link #209 | |||
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To be clear, this decision was not made because we want to make the job easier for ourselves as moderators (if anything, there is a high risk of causing problems, particularly in the short term). We wish strongly to improve the discussion experience on the Forum for everyone. Quote:
All the admins and staff are willing to listen to any legitimate grievances anyone has (and if you don't want to talk to one staff member, talk to another), but it becomes difficult if you're going to engage in this sort of tactic. In my view, you should always start by attempting to deal with your issues directly with the person in question, and then go up the chain if that's not effective. Quote:
Not discussing the retirement beforehand (or giving advanced notice) is because it is quite likely that this would have resulted in a rush on rep as people try to mess with a system they know is likely to change or be dismantled. So while the objective of openness is worthy, it can also have consequences. That is why the "sudden" and "immediate" change. I realize you may not agree with these factors, but I can only say that the decision was not made lightly or without due consideration for the community we are trying our best to serve. (Personally speaking, it's a bit sad to let go of the rep that I accumulated over the years, mostly from before I was on the staff.) Again, I realize that you don't have to believe me if you've decided I'm self-interested here. But I can only pledge that I am telling the truth.
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2012-12-16, 20:08 | Link #210 | |
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Still, I can think of ways to deal with power creep alone. Divide each member's rep points by 10. Or by 20. Whatever you felt was necessary to sort of "roll back the clock" to when the power balance wasn't so out of whack. Maybe have pos rep and neg rep count for equal amounts. Were any ideas like this considered? If so, why were they rejected? I'm honestly pretty curious here.
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2012-12-16, 20:13 | Link #211 | |
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So I wouldn't say they were rejected outright, but the approach of "take a break for now" was preferred.
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2012-12-16, 21:13 | Link #212 | |
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Of the two major ideas floating around for a suggested replacement of the system, I favor sayde's & Vexx's suggestion of "neutral rep"/"simple thank you" message system, which I view as basically stripping the current system of points, dots, polarity and anonymity yet retain a way to say thanks/give short feedback that was tied to the post.
One thing I liked about the old system that could be salvaged for this is that the comments were tied to your post via a link. And those comments, along with the link and a time stamp were delivered to your control panel. The link was very useful to let me know immediately which post was it that generated the comment. I'd prefer to call it just a plain Post Feedback system, since removing all points and polarity to make it neutral means erasing the "reputation" portion of the name. A description for a button/window for this system might read "Leave feedback for this post? Your name will be visible to the poster." I also agree with the point raised that using the VM function just to say a one liner thanks would be overkill, since VMs were a general way to talk to a user publicly. It is agreed that one-liner thank you/+1/QFT messages would be nothing but clutter, but suggesting the use of the VM for that only means moving the clutter to someone's visitor page, which not everyone might like. On private flame wars happening through this plain post feedback system, I say just let them happen. They are private, after all - it's none of our business. Worrying about it is like worrying about private flame wars that I'm sure already happen through PMs. Chances are, the flames will stay there since I'm not hearing anything about PM flame wars spilling out of control into the open. Quote:
-- On another note, since the reputation system is already retired and will never come back in its current form, is it possible to release the actual formula for giving and taking rep? I'll admit I have been curious more than once about the exact calculations involved in the points.
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2012-12-16, 22:04 | Link #213 |
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Aww it's gone?
I must say it really helped me! My very first post in the signature requests thread was me being impatient and emotional. Got 3 neg reps for that and it certainly made me behave in the thread ever since It's also nice to see a nice pos-rep every morning on your user cp ^^ Though I completely understand why the mods removed the system. It was flawed. Got a few useless neg reps myself too. It was nice while it lasted....good bye. EDIT: It's also good that this now encourages members to just post or send a vm. I guess nothing is really lost. (except for the green boxes)
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2012-12-16, 22:33 | Link #214 | |
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2012-12-16, 22:35 | Link #215 |
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That's the same gripe I have. Especially since there's all kinds of brief statements one may want to make in response to a post--statements that aren't necessarily intended to express satisfaction or dissatisfaction to the post in question. Just off the top of my head, I'm sure quick comments could also be an effective means to provide answers to the types of posts that pose questions or suggestions that may only warrant an extremely brief response for some people.
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2012-12-16, 22:51 | Link #216 |
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What about a 'thanking' or 'liking' system? I enjoyed being able to give (and receive) simple and positive feedback for a post. Limit the thanking/liking to X number of times per day or something to prevent abuse and we might be able to retain the benefits of the classic rep system.
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2012-12-16, 23:38 | Link #217 |
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I think the ability to stay anonymous was the biggest problem. Exploitations of any system are bound to exist. So if eliminating all systems turns out fine, I'm fine with that.
I think I might even like no system the best. You actually learn to know other users by interacting with them (a method I'm all too familiar with on other forums). The biggest difference I see with this forum is that it's the most populated. But how do you judge new people you meet in life? You can ask around but ultimately you make a judgement for yourself, you don't look at the floating green bars next to their face. So in that case I guess the biggest 'problem' is thanking people for particularly useful posts without 100 users spamming "Thanks, that's awesome!" in posts. Actual troublemakers are taken care of using the report button.
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2012-12-16, 23:44 | Link #219 | ||
is this so?
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It came as a shock at first, because it seems surreal that the rep system would be gone for good after so many years. Thinking again, realized that one reason I wanted it to stay is because I have the habit of telling real life friends about "having a decent reputation there in Animesuki" - but at present, my current real life anime friends are on facebook, and don't understand the meaning of those green bars of reputation here. After some serious pondering.. I guess, there really no more reason for me to feel bad that the rep system will be gone. ",)
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