Madoka Magica - General Discussion

[tsunade666]

well the artist is connected to hidamari.

[OceanBlue]

Originally Posted by rrw

well because what i see so far seem the story is generic magical girl story.

go to school, find magical item, become magical girl, fight paranormal being, find fellow magical girl, repeat.

obviously its shinbo-shaft you never knew what happens, i expect "good" generic magical girl

my main concern so far that will it be original or another typical moe magical girl that talk about friendship

That's what all the talk about Urobuchi has been about.
Edit: My bad, I'm mixing up names.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

well the artist is connected to hidamari.

Duh... what I mean is the scans looks more close to the original design rather than the anime.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by OceanBlue

That's what all the talk about Urobuchi has been about. As far as I know, he was the writer for a lot of visual novels like Ever17 and Saya no Uta.

He didn't go anywhere near Ever17. I have no idea where you got such information.

[OceanBlue]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

He didn't go anywhere near Ever17. I have no idea where you got such information.

Ah, my bad. I think I started mixing up names in my head.

[Himeji]

Originally Posted by Mef

Well, if I'm not mistaken (which could be the case, considering my nearly non-existent japanese skills) "her" words are:
ママみたいに格好良い旦那さんが見つかったらいいな。。。。 (Mama mitai ni kakkoii dannasan ga mitsukattara ii na...).

Thanks for the original Japanese
This makes it a good bit clearer. "mitai" means "with the likelihood of, similar to, resembling".
"Danna" refers to the master of the house. While this is often a man, in Madoka's case, the master of the house is clearly her mother.

Originally Posted by Raiga

Wouldn't "a cool husband who is like my mother" be "mama mitai na kakko ii danna-san"? IIRC the "ni" particle turns the clause into an adverb, so it would be "a cool husband like my mother (did)." I think.

"mitai" is an adjective, not an adverb. (Besides, if it was an adverb, where do you have the verb it refers to?)
It refers to "mama" - "someone with the likelihood of mama".

Originally Posted by Raiga

Then again if it's an adverb it could also be modifying "kakko ii" which would make it "a husband who is cool like my mother (is cool)."

No, "mitai" is modifying "mama". Let's take a closer look at the sentence and its structure, as I learned it in my university's morphosyntax course:

ママみたいに格好良い旦那さんが見つかったらいいな。

ママみたいに mama-mitai~ni N-a~p (noun-suffix adjective~particle: object) "with the likelyhood of my mother"

格好良い kakko-i.i N-a+f (Noun-suffix adjective+flexive: adjective present) "good appearance, cool"

旦那さんが danna-san~ga N-n~p (Noun-suffix noun~particle: subject) "master of the house"

見つかったら mitsukat.tara v+f (verb+flexive: perfect conditional) "if I could find"

いいな i.i~na A+f (Adjective+flexive: adjective present~particle: emphatic, female speech) "it would be good"

Sentence structure tree:

i.i~na
   |
mitsukat.tara
   |
danna-san~ga
   |    \
   |  kakko-i.i
   |
mama-mitai~ni

it would be good
if I could find
a 'master of the house'
that is cool
with the likelihood of my mother

Originally Posted by Raiga

... I just realized this is my first post in the thread, though I've been following it for a while. >> Well anyway I'm looking forward to this too.

Welcome. This looks like lots of fun

[Raiga]

Originally Posted by Himeji

"mitai" is an adjective, not an adverb. (Besides, if it was an adverb, where do you have the verb it refers to?)
It refers to "mama" - "someone with the likelihood of mama".

Er, mitai is a na-adjective, and all na-adjectives can be turned into adverbs if you change the na into a ni. Like お客さんを親切に案内しました "Showed the visitor around kindly." At least that's what I learned in Japanese class. So the verb "mitai" modifies in this case would be 見つかる.

No, "mitai" is modifying "mama". Let's take a closer look at the sentence and its structure, as I learned it in my university's morphosyntax course:

I cut out the rest because I think the only thing is we're taking slightly different interpretations of what "modifying" refers to. I'm taking the entire phrase "mama mitai ni" as a modifying phrase, which is just how I think of it in my head. Granted, we haven't actually covered "mitai na/ni" in class but I'd assume it works similarly to "you na/ni" (though without a particle necessary for nouns and na-adjectives) which we did cover.

[sirn]

Originally Posted by Raiga

I'd assume it works similarly to "you na/ni" (though without a particle necessary for nouns and na-adjectives) which we did cover.

みたいな／みたいに is a colloquialism of ような／ように so yes, it works similarly.
Main difference is that there's no need for の as in のように in case of みたい.

Back to the main topic, looks like all editing until episode 3 are already done at the time of interview according to Mitsuhara Rie (main editor) comment in Megami Magazine. (via 2ch) I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Nadeko Snake won't happened again this time.

[applejuice]

It seems like they will show us some new PV during today's C79
http://www.madoka-magica.com/news/

Show us some damn action scene, for god sake.

[Himeji]

Originally Posted by Raiga

Er, mitai is a na-adjective, and all na-adjectives can be turned into adverbs if you change the na into a ni. Like お客さんを親切に案内しました "Showed the visitor around kindly." At least that's what I learned in Japanese class.

In *that* case, the shinsetsu ni stands right in front of the verbalised noun annai shimashita, so it's clear that it modifies that one.

Originally Posted by Raiga

So the verb "mitai" modifies in this case would be 見つかる.

No. In our case, the mitai ni stands at the beginning and not near the verb, which stands near the end, so how should it modify the verb there?
You can't simply go and mix-and-match various parts of the sentence which have different syntactic relations
See my sentence structure tree for the proper syntactic relations.

[Raiga]

You have your trees, I have what my sensei taught me. :\

Spoiler for tl;dr:

Last I checked word order was a lot more flexible in explicit-grammar languages like Japanese. お客さんを親切に案内しました could just as easily be written 親切にお客さんを案内しました and still make sense. I've read lots of sentences (written by native speakers) that I had to reread because the modifier was a whiles away from what it was modifying. Don't have an example that exactly matches this situation since my reading speed is still very slow and I don't feel like hunting through dozens of pages again, but as I was trudging through OreImo earlier I came across the sentence:

すぐそばの路肩に、後部窓がスモーク張りのワゴン車が駐（と）まっていて、etc. (rest of the sentence isn't important)

In which the entire phrase すぐそばの路肩に must, in order to make sense, be modifying the verb way at the end of the next clause, after the description that the windows were smoked glass and that it was a station wagon, in order to describe where the car was parked. Similarly in Latin (also an explicit-grammar language) it wasn't uncommon for us to encounter adjectives separated from their nouns by verbs, other nouns, or sometimes entire clauses; e.g. "vasto rex Aeolus antro" (from the Aeneid) was a favorite line of my Latin teacher; "vasto" is modifying "antro" while "rex" is the title of "Aeolus;" the line indicates that King Aeolus is in his vast cave.

Whatever the case, "mitai ni" is most definitely an adverb; this was something we learned very explicitly and which I also got myself from other sources while I was self-studying.

... anyway we should probably get back to the topic at hand. >>; Looking forward to the new PV, wish I could be at Comiket. =_=

[sirn]

Sayaka "I can't forgive it! Madoka must become my wife!"

[applejuice]

WHERE IS ACTION SCENE

WHERE IS IT

Aniplex trolling again, seriously. Although, most of the movement seems to be much smoother than usual shaft standard.

and everyone who said 'LOL NO YURI', GO TO HELL FUCKAZZZZZZZZ.

[tsunade666]

Me super duper happy! NO DAMN BOY! IN THE SERIES!!!! YURI MAX!

[M.Marangio]

Some sketches were posted on dengeki online:
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/330/330085/

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by sirn

sayaka "i can't forgive it! Madoka must become my wife!"

That's what I'm talking about. A magical girl show isn't complete without yuri undertones.

[tsunade666]

From card captor sakura to nanoha. Their would always be girls love. Though brush off yuuno and shaoran. They are hindrance

[sirn]

Few more interesting lines…

Spoiler for 00:54:

Mami "That boy is my precious friend."
(Probably referring to Kyube; she said あの子 which is literally "that kid")

Spoiler for 01:24:

Homura "Kaname Madoka, do you think your life is invaluable? Do you made much of your friends and family?"
Madoka "I… I think of them dearly. I love them, they're very precious to me."

Madoka's other friend that appears in the PV seems to be named Hitomi.

[tsunade666]

so for now that confirms no boys? I'm glad

[Bonta Kun]

Well one things for sure just going by the feel of that PV, if this series did turn to the dark side it would def be a wasted series for me.
I seriously couldn't take it seriously with such moe and cute-ness.

But doesn't look like it will go that way, so heres hoping for for a fun series.