2012-07-31, 18:31
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In the case of sword art online, you have to buy the discs 1-5 from toranoana to get a chance of getting the replica word though.
http://www.toranoana.jp/info/media/121024_swordart/ Last edited by hyl; 2012-07-31 at 18:40. Reason: edit: it's indeed a lottery |
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2012-07-31, 18:38
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(And yes, it is a lottery. It makes me think that you might get a card with each volume you buy with them as proof of purchase, and then with the fifth volume you have to attach all the proofs of purchase to a ballot in order to be entered. Something like that would make sense for this sort of thing.)
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2012-08-03, 01:11
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I think it's fair to say 10k would be a failure for something like Sword Art, especially since its sister series whose novel sales are way behind is on track to do 10k for Volume 1. Though I'm sure Accel World will have the usual drop off and prov avg @ 8k.
Yamakan pointed out how 10k was pretty shit for a LN series as big as Index, while he was using this point as a way of saying he adapted a 30k selling manga series and outsold THE LN series of back than... he's still right that it wasn't as good as it should've been. And Index 2 increased in sales (not to mention Railgun) which showed he was right. Quote:
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2012-08-03, 06:45
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BTW Hyouka will probably be a great example of those external factors you're mentioning since Kyoto Animation has a very low output and only makes a couple of shows per year so it could take a long time to get a sequel out of it if it ever comes out (other more popular properties or even new, completely different ones will most likely take precedence)
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2012-08-03, 08:54
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I'm rather impressed by Tsuritama's 4K+ sales. I suspect that's pretty strong for a noitaminA series these days. Its companion, Sakamichi no Apollon, didn't make the list despite being helmed by Watanabe Shinichiro and scored by Kanno Yuko. Tsuritama was made by Nakamura Kenji of Mononoke fame. While Mononoke scored 12K+ sales back in the day, Nakamura's last two shows, Kuuchuu Buranko and [C], sold really poorly. Tsuritama has more mainstream appeal than either of those shows, though, and has already outsold the both of them combined.
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2012-08-03, 10:39
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Depending on the BD/DVD mix, Sakamichi could come close to 4K - it was over 2K in BD. Tsuritama ended up being almost a 50-50 split and I could see Sakamichi doing that too, but because of its visual dexterity it might end up more BD heavy. Also, it was obviously a much more expensive series to produce, but the producers seemed resigned to it losing money before it ever aired.
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2012-08-04, 09:04
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Yes I am very glad Tsuritama did that well. It's like the little series that could.
Anyways one observation I noticed that while 2011 had a lot of hits in terms of original series (Madoka, Ano Hana, & Tiger and Bunny) That doesn't seem to be the case with 2012, with the top series being sequels & based on established source material. I find that a bit disappointing.
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2012-08-04, 09:43
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2012-09-02, 00:40
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@Kirakim: Well, Madoka's groundwork was beeing laid in 2009. Projects take a while to get off the ground and get support. We'd really need more of a period of five years to gauge whether original source material will have long-term success or whether it was simply certain titles appearing at exactly the right time.
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2012-09-05, 07:22
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2012-09-05, 07:25
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Please provide some translations here to conform to the Forum Rules: "Since this is an English forum we ask that all communication be in English." Or since your posting seems to be a response to Last Sinner's, perhaps you could just write a response that includes some of the figures as evidence.
I, for one, have no idea what most of those charts say except that one of them has an entry for AKB0048.
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2012-09-05, 07:28
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I already mentioned pirates and tari tari, rest are all numbers? |
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2012-09-05, 20:49
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Do remember folks that the whole point of posting those charts here is to share the info with everybody reading the thread. If you only have an untranslated version, either ask for help or try to find a translated version before posting it here.
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2012-09-05, 21:21
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I apologize then. I guess I had just very wrongly assumed that people discussing sales would know what oricon chart, the dvd sales reporting format, and stalker points are (since all these have been previously mentioned multiple times in the thread and I have labeled what each quote is).
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2012-09-06, 23:32
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I don't want to get into an argument with you, but SAO is honestly doing so much better than you're giving it credit for. Even if we completely ignore the points for a second here, it's pretty telling that the show has been ranking around top 10 almost ever since it was put on the site. All signs are pointing to it absolutely breezing past the 15k "success" mark you decided upon. Last edited by kresslia; 2012-09-06 at 23:43. |
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2012-09-07, 05:32
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As somebody who follows politics from time-to-time, I find that some people treat stalker points like how political junkies treat professional political polls done a few days before an election - i.e. That you can be safely assured that the actual numbers (when the sales figures/election results are released) will only be slightly off from the numbers we have right now (barring a massive last-minute scandal). But if a political polling company had some of the mistakes that stalker points has had, no political junkie would take them seriously any more. Stalker points are good for two things: 1. Ordering anime sales success. Shows ranked 1 through 5 will generally sell as they are ranked (i.e. No. 1 will be the best-selling, No. 2 the 2nd best-selling, etc...). There is some value in knowing that alone. 2. Providing a sales figure that can usually be considered a decent ballpark figure, but I emphasize ballpark figure. Stalker points have some value, but they really should be taken with a big grain of salt, and I find that some of the people who talk a lot about stalker points don't really do that. Too many people treat stalker points as a totally "done deal" - If stalker points says 15 K, then it. will. sell 15 K is how I see some people talking about stalker points. It would be much better if people said things like "Stalker points suggests it will sell 15 K, so from this it's probably a good guess that it will sell at least 10 K. It's not a complete guarantee of 10K, but there's a very high likelihood of 10K sales. Of course the estimate could also be on the low side, and it could sell 20K." If more people said that, more of the rest of us would be less skeptical about stalker points.
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2012-09-07, 11:29
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In this particular case, Stalker Points have a flaw because SAO was not available on Amazon for about a month or so after it was first solicited due to the Amazon dispute. Not knowing how long the dispute would last, some people may have already pre-ordered at other stores and thus won't be counted at Amazon. Eventually the dispute was actually resolved, and Amazon pre-orders (and thus, Stalker Points) picked up again, but we have no idea how many people already pre-ordered elsewhere and how that will bias the rankings.
Basically, Stalker Points depends on Amazon being representative of the entire market. Any time when it isn't for various reasons, it risks being unreliable. They've tried to improve the algorithm over time to accommodate for discrepancies observed, but unexpected things do happen from time-to-time.
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2012-09-07, 14:34
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But some people could still have ordered it elsewhere in the meantime, this is true. And even if Amazon had it from the start, that does not guarantee they would be perfectly representative. |
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2012-09-08, 01:35
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I'm pretty sure whatever the case is or if it's 10K or 15K, SAO will sell. I mean the disappointment will just be relative but it's safe to say A-1 and the producers will earn buckloads from this.
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