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View Poll Results: Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 7 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 18 | 23.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 22.08% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 22.08% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 16.88% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 9 | 11.69% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.60% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.30% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-05-16, 02:33 | Link #81 | |||
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I guess that's where the disagreement comes from,I completely understand where your coming from,but never once while watching this show have I felt like I'm watching a different show.Though I guess there's not much use debating the issue since that's pretty subjective. Quote:
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2011-05-16, 02:41 | Link #82 |
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Seriously, now we're calling it an 'identity crisis'? From our eyes, maybe, but don't you think that the producers have had this in mind from the beginning?
"We want a show about drama that doesn't take things too heavily." Look at the first episode. Ohana's mom eloping scene was probably the first where everyone thought: "Whut?...Ohana just took it in without any drama?" Also further in that episode with Minko was also a part where drama is supposed to play, but it had comedy mixed in instead. Of course, there were also true drama scenes in the episode with Ko confessing and grandma slapping. Again, the people who are disappointed are the people who expected too much or something else than what it is, myself included. Episode 1 and 2 were too promising to not to. Come down to reality guys, this is a 26 episode show. That's a lot of episodes to fill with serious and fast paced story telling. You'll be at the end of your carefully made story before you know it.
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2011-05-16, 02:59 | Link #83 | |||
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It's very much a heartfelt show, and hence what makes it great is actually the exact same thing that makes K-On! season 2 better than season 1. It just happens to do it much better than K-On's second season because its not just doing it as a way of applying a new coat of paint to an existing franchise. Plus, Hana-Saku has been building a storyline in a "mosiac" fashion each episode, likely setting up some decent drama later on. It someone were to extract the best elements of K-On! and True Tears and combine them into one work, I imagine the result would look a lot like Hana-Saku Iroha. (Yes, I did just bring K-On! into this... I can feel the laser sights on my back as I type.) As for the comparison with Angel Beats - in my opinion, all of the elements in Angel Beats belonged there and it was time allocation that created so many issues. They needed to spend more time doing more stories like the one in episode 10 before moving on to the finale, and also building Otanashi's relationship with Kanade. Hana-Saku, by contrast, is a 26 episode show and is fleshing out Ohana's relationship with the inn and its other workers practically every episode.
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2011-05-16, 03:31 | Link #84 |
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Exactly, I don't know where this "identity crisis" but the aiming of this show has be quite clear to me since episode 1.
The simple fact that Ohana took things away it is without much drama, shows that this show was never intend to be the type of show that is conflict-filled emotional roller-coaster. And the tags & synopsis of the show as well as the manga adaption has always been stated as Ohana's work/grow-up experiences and the colorful characters around her. 0utf0xZer0's description of "sentimental" anime is probably a better description than my "healing" anime, and so far this is exactly what this show is and have been, in fact it has been textbook of those types so far. It's a show that has more similarities with K-On than say Angel Beat or Kanon. I best description would be a comedy version of Maria-sama ge Miteru without the yuri-goodness. The way I see it right now, at most there will be 2 "maybe" 3 dramatic event that will impact Ohana, other than that it's just going to be about the simple daily lives of everyone in the hotel and the show ends with a happy, life-goes on type ending. Nothing overly-dramatic. As for Kou, I really don't see how he'll impact the story. Is this is a romantic love show and Kou is the main character, then sure. But as someone pointed out he is way back in Tokyo and Ohana never seem to sees him more than childhood friend. The most I can see is that his visit causes someone to start to act on advancement toward Ohana and that could end up be one of the central conflict of the show. Another potential drama point might be grandma's illness. Depends on how severe it is, it could lead to reconciliation between grandma and mom and flashes out exactly what causes them to grow apart in the first place. But that'll pretty much be it and I expect more light-hearted, character-based episodes to the rest of cast in between.
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2011-05-16, 03:34 | Link #85 | |||||
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Just to be clear, I was using the term "you" in a general sense when I wrote "It can be a bit jarring and leave you wondering what exactly the anime is aiming for overall." I wasn't referring to you specifically there. Quote:
Reckoner earlier provided one good reason why some of us viewed it that way. Ohana was hit pretty hard by disappointment after meeting everybody at the Inn. She took Minchi's "Die!" comments pretty seriously, and she took everything kind of seriously, in my opinion. In my view, that gives everything a very serious and dramatic feel. I mean, Ohana is the main character, and so her reactions can and often will go a long way in determining how viewers will take what's shown on screen. Quote:
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2011-05-16, 03:41 | Link #86 | |
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If only we can set up a poll to settle this. But i can't see Hanasaku Iroha a slice-of-life series. It can be drama, romantic, comedy, but no way that it's a slice of life. As i found an excellent point on how slice-of-life support to/should not have any conflicts, expositions, or denouements, on top of its "cut-out sequences" format On Ko... maybe he comes here to finish his own role in this anime... the poor bastard gonna see his unrequited love being crushed to pieces *insert evil laugh* But seriously, Ohana should not end up with one guy out of sympathy. She never notice him, and only started to concern after seeing his sympathetic self and realised the hardship on unrequited love (after looking at Minko). When she is accepted by everyone else in recent episodes, she surely did not concern much about Ko and his current state. But who know, PA showed their ability to pull pairing out from nowhere *coughangelbeatscough*. I won't be surprised if they just go out of logic to pull up some random romance
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2011-05-16, 04:03 | Link #88 |
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Speaking of K-on, Nakochi's VA is doing a pretty good job, giving a nice 'please tease me' vibe with her voice.
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2011-05-16, 04:13 | Link #89 | |||
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It may be PA Works, but Mari Okada is no Jun Maeda - she's generally pretty good about laying and following groundwork for things like romances. Thankfully, since I think that its only the music and Kana Hanazawa's voice that makes that scene work in Angel Beats - I could see it blowing up in the face of most directors who try something like that.
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2011-05-16, 04:27 | Link #90 | |
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Forced comedy, tropes, exaggeration or slapstick comedy seems to be much better handled by Jun Maeda, I actually laugh at some of it. Granted, I perfectly agree that Okada is better at laying groundwork for social commentary issues including relationships and romance than Maeda is. True Tears, Wandering Son, AnoHana and even Toradora to an extent all show this. |
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2011-05-16, 04:40 | Link #91 |
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Not to mention Mari Okada actually has pretty good track record with her script works (Rozen Maiden, Fate/Stay, ToraDora, ARIA, The Book of Bantorra, True Tears, Kuroshitsuji,etc.) which led her to unusually heavy workload this year.
This year was not even half-way and she had already involved in script with GOSICK, Fracles, Hourou Musuko, AnoHana, and HanaIro and is the in charge of Series composition for all but AnoHana. Not to mention so far all of the series she involves in have received mostly positive feedbacks and acclimations from fans and critics alike.
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2011-05-16, 04:46 | Link #92 |
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I'd just like to echo the earlier sentiment that this show is a different beast than True Tears or Ano Hana. It doesn't "have" to be like those shows to achieve "greatness". This show attempts an approach that showcases the mixtures of comedy and drama in its setting that, for me, is actually closer to real life than the two aforementioned shows have managed in their current states.
Yes this show isn't consistent in it's setting and it's tone, but that's exactly why I love it: it's not straight up drama or comedy all the time, instead showing that the lives of people isn't in a stagnant world of daily tribulations or daily wackiness. What it lacks in consistency it more than makes up for in dynamism, giving us human lives and the very varying events in it, which isn't only always sadness of gut-busting laughter. One of the reasons why I loved Toradora was because both the source material and Okada Mari knew how to blend both together and not getting trapped and pigeonholed into a specific genre.
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2011-05-16, 04:52 | Link #93 |
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Why do I say Hanasaku has an identity crisis? I'll add a lot more stuff later, but I'll describe episode 1 to you, and then I want people to try and link this episode with episodes 3 and 7. If this doesn't seem like a different show, well hopefully the rest of what I'll add will.
Episode 1 The show opens up with a scene of the daily apartment life of Ohana and her mother. We're shown from the getgo that Ohana has an irresponsible mother and that Ohana has to take care of the house work. Now often times this sort of thing is played to either a dramatic or comedic effect. A good example of it being more comedic would be something like Toradora. What does Hanasaku do? Not overly dramatic, but it portrays it in a seemingly natural way, as if this is supposed to be the way Ohana's life is. Ohana doesn't necessarily seem happy with it, but there doesn't seem like much she can do to change the situation. We the viewers look at the situation and think, "Oh, her mother kind of sucks, she's irresponsible." Again, Ohana doesn't make a big deal of it, but does express visible dissatisfaction with her current home life. From the very beginning, the show was presented in a lively manner, but also a pretty down to earth. Will it be more comedic? Will it be more dramatic? These questions seem to be answered later on in the episode. We transfer from Ohana's house life to her life in school with her friend Kou. There is a moment of two of silliness (Corn at bottom of can scene), but nothing overly extreme in comedy. It was around here that Ohana gave a speech about how she finds her current life dull, how she'll probably follow a pretty pragmatic lifestyle without much else. She expresses a liking for something a bit more dramatic. What happens almost directly after? Well Ohana's mother decides she wants to run away without her and sends Ohana to live with her grandmother. Now again, with Ohana's reaction to the matter, the drama of such a scene is played down quite a bit, but Ohana doesn't certainly approve. We're supposed to feel for her and her situation, but Okada does her best here to not let the emotions weigh down too heavily. OK, so they aren't going for flat break neck speed drama. But so far the show hasn't been all that comedic in nature, though it's a bit charming and funny at times. It's a rather down to earth, coming of age story as far as I can tell. So then Ohana precedes to notify Kou of the development and then a confession scene happens. Unlike the scene before, there is a bit more emotion put into this and it leaves Ohana something to think about as she goes on her new life's journey. Now Ohana isn't constantly worried to death about these issues, but it seems like it's starting to build up as evident in her train scene. However, with the birth of a new world before her, and the shining sun, she holds hope for the new life she's about to receive. Could it be that dazzling sparkling life she has imagined? When she gets to the hotspring inn, this seems to be anything but the case. The first thing that happens is she comes to the inn is get a death threat from a girl for pulling out her plants. Now this wasn't a highly dramatic scene again, but it was yet another obstacle emotionally speaking for Ohana. From the beginning of her new life, she wasn't welcomed. She then meets with her less than friendly grandmother who treats her pretty harshly, by putting her to immediate work. The rest of the staff doesn't treat her that well either. She continues to try her best and well this leads to the slapping scene which doesn't really need an explanation. Overall, the first episode wasn't overly serious, but it seemed like a very well grounded, coming of age story. What exactly about these other episodes (3 and 7 specifically) seems to be well grounded?
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2011-05-16, 04:54 | Link #94 | |
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EDIT: You know, despite me still liking HanaIro overall and my changed reception that HanaIro was going to be relatively a relatively down-to-earth serious coming of age story to a light-hearted comedy with some dramatic elements, I still think the premise of the first two episodes was totally wasted. Imo, Okada should pick this up the elements from the 2 episodes, change the setting/characters a bit, sign a contract with Production I.G or A-1 Pictures, find a notaminA timeslot and try again. |
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2011-05-16, 05:02 | Link #95 | |
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And again I'd like to echo one of our sentiments that life isn't always hell on earth, nor is it always sugar raindrops and sunshine. I favor a life full of it's ups and downs, shifting from the middle of the spectrum and back and forth through its ends, rather than one that's always running through life's gauntlets or life's sunny fields. What I see from this show is a girl experiencing the multitude of things it has to offer, the good things, the bad things, and even the absurd. That's good enough for me.
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2011-05-16, 06:00 | Link #97 |
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I feel at this point like HanaIro knows what it wants to be, after a schizophrenic start. It's strongly character-driven, and presents absurd hijinks as framing devices for character development. This probably wouldn't work if they didn't close out each episode with a kind of stone-faced sincerity that turns all the utter nonsense into a vehicle for a fairly standard coming-of-age life lesson. Life at the inn returns to normal, and you can almost feel the characters resisting the urge to turn to the camera and say "You know, I learned something today..."
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Even in the 2 episodes you mentioned all of the characters are acting to their set personalities. Ohana isn't too disturb on finding out adult novel, Minko becoming overly sensitive when it comes to cooking. If anything the only inconsistency I can find was Nako instinctively dive in the sea to save the writer (forgot his name), but that was explained by having swimming being the only thing Nako has confidence on herself. Other than that I don't really see deviates the other episodes. If you want to argue that the Servival Gamers and adult-novel freeloader is too out of whack. Well, Episode 4 introduces quirky Yuina who likes to imitating different dialog, Episode 5 has this unrealistic setting where a large hotel needs to barrow staff from smaller hotel (granted things like that do happen but usually in reverse). Takako from Episode 6 is as out of park character as anyone else in the series. As for Episode 2, it was an episode that sets up the personality of every characters and directly impacts how they reacted to events in 3 and 7. Quote:
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2011-05-16, 07:05 | Link #99 | |
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The main difference between this episode and the first one is that the balance between the comedy scenes and the drama was overturned (more than overturned in episode 3 and 7, but the drama and character development is still there). The end result is exactly the same: what's in front of us is a heartwarming character driven slice of life anime with a few dramatic elements, whose main purpose is to be relaxing. And so far, it's doing it masterfully.
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