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Athena recovered the family fortune of the Tennos from the Sanzenin family, likely using the same methods used in first gaining the money, so being a simple inheritor simply doesn't work. If Nagi were to have inherited the Sanzenin fortune, wouldn't you agree that on first glance, you would make the statement of belief that she had acquired the money herself, and thus used the same methods, even though she hasn't shown a tenancy for blackmail herself? Quote:
Athena is using the manipulation of others for her own benefit, thus leaving her open to the 'emotionally immature' tag. Actually, I see her berserk button being her 'I'm still a fresh 17-year old' as possible proof that she somehow knows that she's not actually 17, but being unsure of her actual age, she goes according to that because that's all she's able to keep track of.
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2011-01-28, 20:06 | Link #7704 | |||
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Hypothetically, even if Alice does attempt to suck Hinagiku's life force dry or use Hinagiku as a toy to regain her power, that would be morally wrong, not immaturity. Quote:
If you wanted to say that Athena is manipulative or could be manipulative, I won't disagree. (Although I must say that I used the term businessmen who's mostly manipulative to associate with Mikado.) Quote:
For the bold: Do you realize how wrong that sound? Countless intelligent individuals manipulate idiotic persons each day for their own benefit. It doesn't make them "emotionally immature" for using others to gain more wealth and power. If you are a fool, you will be used by the others.That's how the business world always work. Horo and Kraft from Spice and Wolf, Light, Lelouch, etc. etc. etc. No, they are not emotionally immature but are intelligence and wise. --- Although I don't agree on what Alice did being an immature, but the possibility of her being "emotionally immature" is quite high. Right now, it seems that her wisdom and knowledge is almost like those of typical children, not even close to the 6yo Athena in the EotW arc. Last edited by zodanhko; 2011-01-28 at 21:36. |
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2011-01-29, 12:53 | Link #7705 | |||
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2011-02-02, 02:02 | Link #7707 |
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I have a tendency to like characters who had a vast of worldly knowledge and experience with physical features of an adolescence, like CC from CG and Horo from S&W, so Maria would be a much more interesting character to me if what Bastion said is true. So, Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2011-02-02, 02:07 | Link #7708 | |
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2011-02-02, 05:20 | Link #7709 |
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I've just finished reading the latest chapter. There's not much to spoil about, since it was pretty much a slice-of-life chapter, but in my opinion, it was rather nice. Either way, this chapter confirmed Athena is indeed lacking her memories and her powers, and all she remembers is that the person Athena trusts the most is Hayate.
I believe this is rather important, considering Athena, right now as Alice, should have the mentality of a 6 years old child, yet she has that too-mature-for-her-age personality from TEotW arc. I'm bringing this up because many people seemed to have found her personality a bit too odd back in the previously mentioned arc, and thought she may have had that behaviour because she had probably spent several years in the Royal Garden. So, the fact she currently has no memories and still shows that personality makes me believe this is simply how she is.
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2011-02-03, 01:13 | Link #7710 |
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I thought this chapter was quite funny, personally
A-tan's ringlet curls as a striking resemblance to chocolate bread was cute But was it just me, or did she act quite similar to Lady Nagi in those moods? As for Athena and maturity, for a 6 year old girl perhaps. I know for one, there is no way I'd be thinking I should be adjusting my body clock at her age. I didn't worry about those things back then, not that I could remember, but I feel as a child that young it wouldn't have crossed my mind, haha. |
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2011-02-03, 02:23 | Link #7712 |
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Mmm - that's the thing, even when she first appeared she was definitely thinking older than what would be an average 6 year old girl. Even without her memories, she's acting pretty much the same in terms to personality. Only now she has a more ordinary feel to it, if that makes sense? Which is understandable given the situation, I guess.
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2011-02-03, 03:21 | Link #7713 | |
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I'm glad that Alice's personality and mentality haven't change much, although her wisdom and confidence plummeted quite heavily, comparing to the Athena in the EotW arc. It seems like Alice is treating herself like a different entity from Athena because of the sealed memories; and, I liked how this "new entity" , even with no past memories, sought for Hayate due to feelings that Athena left for her.
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2011-02-03, 03:40 | Link #7714 |
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Well, Isumi seems to know more shit than what seems to show. In addition, whilst she doesn't have the bossy side of Athena, I don't think she's any less mature. Hell, she was the first person to tame Nagi after Yukariko and Maria.
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2011-02-03, 04:19 | Link #7715 |
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My intention was not to compare the maturity since I'm sure there are many of Athena's level. The wisdom I spoke of was referring to her understanding, knowing, and dealing with matters, such as with manipulative individuals. Athena had worked with Mikado at the age of 6 to obtain the Power of God; I don't think there are many that has the capability to work as Mikado's equal. Also, at such an age, she singlehandedly re-obtained the inheritance her parent left her in which the opponents were most likely adults. And, she could casually deal with assassins whom she wouldn't mind letting go despite knowing they could return (and they did with more fail attempts).
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2011-02-03, 13:37 | Link #7718 | |
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Why wouldn't they depict a known variable together with known variables except that it's not someone we would recognize as themselves. She would have had to be even younger than 6 to work with Mikado as well, since she appeared to be 6 after spending time in the time-defying RG. Depending on how long she spent in there before Hayate stumbled in, she may have needed to be pre-walking age before going in, possibly even pre-speaking.
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2011-02-03, 15:28 | Link #7719 | |
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I think most of us had watched DBZ, so I'll use a dimension in DBZ with the concept of time identical to the Royal Garden, which is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. For the HTC, 1 year inside=1 day outside For the RG, 2 months inside=5 days outside Trunks spend 1 year inside the HTC for training which is equivalent to 1 day in reality (normal time). After existed the HTC, he was 1 year older (with longer hair, taller and such) while every else was only a day older. Although the HTC allowed him to have much more time to train, he was also growing older equivalent to the amount of time he used for the training. So, if Athena spend 2 months inside the RG, she would be two months older whilel everyone else would only be 5 days older. From this perspective, the Royal Garden and the HTC actually aged them faster instead of slowed their time (unless there's a mistake in the translation). With all the magics that have been showing, I won't be surprised if Athena retained the memories of her previous life or something. Or, perhaps, she's cursed to become a child with her memories being erased after a certain age. There's a whole range of possibility with magic (and the Power of God and God) being involved. There is still so much that we need to know. Although, right now, I think that's just the knowledge she gained due to her intellect and motivation (after her parents died). Last edited by zodanhko; 2011-02-03 at 15:49. |
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That may not be the full extent of the curse either, since she'd said that her curse was worse than Himegami or Mikado's, and it doesn't seem to be all that significant yet. Though we also don't know the curses placed on the other two.
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