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Last Sinner · 2010-01-28, 06:21

But casters can get an ilvl 251 caster weapon with 650-odd spell power on it.

Zenemis · 2010-01-28, 09:18

I like the mediocre 264 staff that makes birds.

Rigormortis? Nah. More like... MAKE BIRDS.

Last Sinner · 2010-01-28, 16:19

That and the one that makes Valkyr.

Escargotage · 2010-01-29, 05:46

and the one that makes zombies!

awful lot of summoning staves in icecrown. :|

Ithekro · 2010-01-29, 05:53

New trend I guess.

Last Sinner · 2010-01-29, 06:23

Not really. RP junk has been around for ages. Just gets very annoying when you see Nibelung go to offspecs from day 1 because it's so stupid.

Zenemis · 2010-01-29, 10:15

I think it got a bit better from the PPM change and the Damage/Always Hit buff on the birds, but it isn't really a serious weapon yet, at least not for Mages.

I find myself still using Maghari Chieftain's Staff, or the 245 Barb. QQ

Jaden · 2010-01-30, 05:31

Thing with Nibelung is that when everyone goes for a MH+OH no matter what the cost, you can just use the staff and save tons of DKP to use on other things (Dislodged Foreign Object) and increase your DPS more.

The weapon isn't as good on average as the best MH+OH because the summons are unreliable and die on encounters with constant heavy AoE. But it's not so far behind either and sometimes suprises pleasantly.

Last Sinner · 2010-01-30, 06:00

I get where you're coming from, Jaden. But that scenario doesn't apply to all.

Raid I roll in uses SWG.

And this is how I got the better of everyone.

First two months: 7 different casters take the caster dagger from Marrowgar.
Last week: I use my top spot on casters to take Dislodged Foreign Object
Today: I win Frozen Bonespike from last spot on the list.

So I now have both while everyone else is after weapon or trinket. But I get your point. There is strategy. But I've managed to do that myself. ^^

Ithekro · 2010-02-01, 04:43

Weirdness that is World PVP on a PVE server.

Several hours ago there was a minor attack on Stormwind and several other place by bored Horde members. Three attacked Sentinal Hill. Two warriors and a rogue (I found out about the rogue later...after the knife was in my back). It took at least four of us to drive them off. A Warlock and a Rogue at first (we didn't do so well), then a Shaman and a level 58 Paladin. That worked bcause the warriors kept going for the warlock, the rogue kept sapping the horde rogue, and the Paladin and Shaman were able to heal though just about everything..or at least long enough for me to dot them up. Sure the Paladin died, but then so did I...since nothing fustrates a warlock more than not being able to fear a target.

I'm not sure if we drove them off or they got bored. Only that one of their warriors wasn't very smart, since he kept attacking and attacking, even when he was outnumbered 4 to 1, even if most of us where back to pve mode...including his partner. He rezed in pvp and charged one of us if were were in pvp still...them died quickly as the other three countered him...or he attacked one of the npc's while were were all standing there (I arrived to find the rogue fighting the two warriors alone, but only the flight point guy and som guards were dead...which seemed to be upsetting all the lower levels trying to do their thing).

If it was a distraction...it didn't work, since the Stormwind attack had failed already before I even got out to Westfall.

Last Sinner · 2010-02-01, 15:58

Alliance leaders are dead half the time on my server. That's how often Horde raids happen on Blackrock and how many are doing it.

I love the Mage set bonuses. Got my 4th 10.25 piece 2 days ago, the helm. Love the graphic of it as well. Now I'm a cute little gnome vampire. ^^

cors8 · 2010-02-01, 17:30

For those interested,

Spoiler for End of the Lich King vid:

RWBladewing · 2010-02-01, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by cors8

For those interested,

Spoiler for End of the Lich King vid:

I think I'd have found that a lot more interesting/surprising if I hadn't read a forum post half a year ago that pretty much described it exactly as it happened in that video as a "rumor". Not the first time that happened either, I think Blizzard employees like "accidentally" leaking info, heh.

Professor Waldorf X · 2010-02-01, 19:46

OK, am I the only one who hates having a Druid tank during the mid-game?

Also, is it some sort of unwritten rule to blame the Hunter for everything that goes wrong?

Last Sinner · 2010-02-02, 08:06

No, Hunters just roll Need on anything. Blame the Rogue.

As for tanks, Druids aren't the greatest in ICC but they're better than Death Knights. Tanking preference is now Paladin >> Warrior >> Druid > Death Knight for ICC.

Xacual · 2010-02-02, 11:06

Actually Druids are tied with Paladins in ICC. Warriors and then Death Knights are the lower two tanks at the moment.

Also watched the Lich King video, it's pretty cool but completely expected.

Kunagisa · 2010-02-02, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xacual

Actually Druids are tied with Paladins in ICC. Warriors and then Death Knights are the lower two tanks at the moment.

Also watched the Lich King video, it's pretty cool but completely expected.

Did they ever come up with DK tank's dps in ICC? Last time I check they still haven't isolate the DK dps tanks' dps because of the RS (was it RS? I don't know what DK tank's primary aggro ability is) overlapping.

As far as I'm concern, the warrior tanks seriously do abysmal dps compare to pallies and druids, especially against pallies who do like 1k more dps.

Xacual · 2010-02-02, 13:52

It's basically because DK tanks macro rune strike in all of their other skills. I don't think Warriors do that bad of dps. Pallies can do a lot because the mobs are undead and all but I don't think warriors are that far behind.

Kunagisa · 2010-02-02, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xacual

It's basically because DK tanks macro rune strike in all of their other skills. I don't think Warriors do that bad of dps. Pallies can do a lot because the mobs are undead and all but I don't think warriors are that far behind.

There was a spreadsheet listed in the WoW Tanking forum and the warrior forum. We really are that behind on prot dps.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...48775349&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...48815260&sid=1
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...1Z3gyS0E&hl=en (<-- tl;dr version)

Professor Waldorf X · 2010-02-02, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

No, Hunters just roll Need on anything. Blame the Rogue.

Freaking idiot looting giving us hunters who don't roll Need on things we don't need giving us a bad name. I apologize on behalf of my chosen class.

Speaking of Warriors, anyone know how good a DPS specializing Warrior would be? I'd like to try a Warrior, but I hate tanking.

2010-01-28, 06:21	Link #4641
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	But casters can get an ilvl 251 caster weapon with 650-odd spell power on it. __________________

2010-01-28, 09:18	Link #4642
Zenemis Megabuddy IT Support Join Date: May 2006 Location: Perth, Australia. Age: 16	I like the mediocre 264 staff that makes birds. Rigormortis? Nah. More like... MAKE BIRDS. __________________

2010-01-28, 16:19	Link #4643
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	That and the one that makes Valkyr. __________________

2010-01-29, 05:46	Link #4644
Escargotage I want to believe. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 34	and the one that makes zombies! awful lot of summoning staves in icecrown. :\| __________________

2010-01-29, 05:53	Link #4645
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	New trend I guess. __________________

2010-01-29, 06:23	Link #4646
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Not really. RP junk has been around for ages. Just gets very annoying when you see Nibelung go to offspecs from day 1 because it's so stupid. __________________

2010-01-29, 10:15	Link #4647
Zenemis Megabuddy IT Support Join Date: May 2006 Location: Perth, Australia. Age: 16	I think it got a bit better from the PPM change and the Damage/Always Hit buff on the birds, but it isn't really a serious weapon yet, at least not for Mages. I find myself still using Maghari Chieftain's Staff, or the 245 Barb. QQ __________________

2010-01-30, 05:31	Link #4648
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Thing with Nibelung is that when everyone goes for a MH+OH no matter what the cost, you can just use the staff and save tons of DKP to use on other things (Dislodged Foreign Object) and increase your DPS more. The weapon isn't as good on average as the best MH+OH because the summons are unreliable and die on encounters with constant heavy AoE. But it's not so far behind either and sometimes suprises pleasantly.

2010-01-30, 06:00	Link #4649
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I get where you're coming from, Jaden. But that scenario doesn't apply to all. Raid I roll in uses SWG. And this is how I got the better of everyone. First two months: 7 different casters take the caster dagger from Marrowgar. Last week: I use my top spot on casters to take Dislodged Foreign Object Today: I win Frozen Bonespike from last spot on the list. So I now have both while everyone else is after weapon or trinket. But I get your point. There is strategy. But I've managed to do that myself. ^^ __________________

2010-02-01, 04:43	Link #4650
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Weirdness that is World PVP on a PVE server. Several hours ago there was a minor attack on Stormwind and several other place by bored Horde members. Three attacked Sentinal Hill. Two warriors and a rogue (I found out about the rogue later...after the knife was in my back). It took at least four of us to drive them off. A Warlock and a Rogue at first (we didn't do so well), then a Shaman and a level 58 Paladin. That worked bcause the warriors kept going for the warlock, the rogue kept sapping the horde rogue, and the Paladin and Shaman were able to heal though just about everything..or at least long enough for me to dot them up. Sure the Paladin died, but then so did I...since nothing fustrates a warlock more than not being able to fear a target. I'm not sure if we drove them off or they got bored. Only that one of their warriors wasn't very smart, since he kept attacking and attacking, even when he was outnumbered 4 to 1, even if most of us where back to pve mode...including his partner. He rezed in pvp and charged one of us if were were in pvp still...them died quickly as the other three countered him...or he attacked one of the npc's while were were all standing there (I arrived to find the rogue fighting the two warriors alone, but only the flight point guy and som guards were dead...which seemed to be upsetting all the lower levels trying to do their thing). If it was a distraction...it didn't work, since the Stormwind attack had failed already before I even got out to Westfall. __________________

2010-02-01, 15:58	Link #4651
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Alliance leaders are dead half the time on my server. That's how often Horde raids happen on Blackrock and how many are doing it. I love the Mage set bonuses. Got my 4th 10.25 piece 2 days ago, the helm. Love the graphic of it as well. Now I'm a cute little gnome vampire. ^^ __________________

2010-02-01, 17:30	Link #4652
cors8 Kuu-chan is hungry Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC	For those interested, Spoiler for End of the Lich King vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0EJTeQ5gw&feature

2010-02-01, 19:46	Link #4654
Professor Waldorf X Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Age: 34	OK, am I the only one who hates having a Druid tank during the mid-game? Also, is it some sort of unwritten rule to blame the Hunter for everything that goes wrong?

2010-02-02, 08:06	Link #4655
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	No, Hunters just roll Need on anything. Blame the Rogue. As for tanks, Druids aren't the greatest in ICC but they're better than Death Knights. Tanking preference is now Paladin >> Warrior >> Druid > Death Knight for ICC. __________________

2010-02-02, 11:06	Link #4656
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Actually Druids are tied with Paladins in ICC. Warriors and then Death Knights are the lower two tanks at the moment. Also watched the Lich King video, it's pretty cool but completely expected. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2010-02-02, 13:52	Link #4658
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	It's basically because DK tanks macro rune strike in all of their other skills. I don't think Warriors do that bad of dps. Pallies can do a lot because the mobs are undead and all but I don't think warriors are that far behind. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy