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2009-11-10, 04:24 | Link #50 |
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Koyomi has a Matyr complex.
It happens to people who have low selfesteem as well as other psychological and emotional issues. Particularly to teenagers. These people seek fullfilment by giving up the most precious thing a human has. Thus giving up their life becomes a currency toward a twisted sense of self actualisation. Shinobu is suffering from guilt and boredom from immortality. However, Koyomi now has a new reason to live... her name is Hitagi. If he thinks about his future and pssible children, he will let Shinobu go. Finally Shinobu can rest in peace after 400 years of guilt about her first Samurai servant. I guess you can say Koyomi has a Samurai spirit. Their own life means nothing unless it is in service to another person. I think the author has a lot of closures to make for this series... he could turn it into a tragedy too... but I doubt it. |
2009-11-10, 10:57 | Link #52 | |
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Personally, I think the most logical ending between Araragi and Shinobu is that after everyone Araragi knows (his family and friends) dies, he'll choose to just end it then. I mean by that point he will have no reason to want to be a human anymore. Now, if we are talking about kids, do we really think he'll want to bring kids into his Kaii-driven life. Whether he likes it or not, his life is now and will forever be one with Kaiis. Also, if he becomes human again he won't be able to protect himself or anyone else from Kaiis anymore. But in all honesty, I'm bias towards Shinobu, so I'm pushing for an ending where Shinobu and Araragi are together forever even if they don't have romantic feelings for each other. |
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2009-11-10, 18:39 | Link #53 | |
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So childish. Forever ? So selfish and cruel. Be reasonable... forever is why the Shinobu's Samurai lover killed himself. Forever is painful. Forever is unusual cruelty to living beings. As a man, live a normal life span... and die peacefully. That is balance... yin and yang. Life then Death. If you mess with the cycles balance... and enact this "forever" thing, your mind, as a normal human being will bend. There will be other consequences... maybe Oshino's decendants will have to kill Koyomi. I realised you never stopped to think of Koyomis mental state after such a long time did you ? Why you think Shinobu's first servant killed himself ? A human cannot live forever without going mad. Koyomi would certainly go nuts. When he watches Hitagi die, his Kids die, his grand kidsd die, Hanekawa, her family, Kanbaru, his sisters, and their family, even Mayoi finally decides to pass to the spirit world... won't he be lonely again ? Won't he wish to see them again ? Wont he ache from all the lives he has loved passing away and watching their gravestones grow in number but he is still alive ? Right now Koymi is a boy, he hasn't come to grips with life and death cycles as a part of the world yet. He wants to save everyone... which is just bullshit and wishywashy. He will eventually have grow up make a choice and let Shinobu go. No wonder Oshino is pissed at Koyomi most of the time... Koyomi does not think and sees the world like a sheltered boy does. Grow some balls man... Hitagi and Hanekawa have helped him so far... and there is progress... but in order for his Adulthood to properly develop... he has to let Shinobu go. Last edited by Zetsubo; 2009-11-10 at 18:57. |
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2009-11-10, 19:40 | Link #54 | |
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2009-11-10, 20:28 | Link #55 | |
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2009-11-10, 21:17 | Link #56 | |
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Well, I await your rebuttal. Last edited by omimon; 2009-11-11 at 01:50. |
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2009-11-10, 21:37 | Link #58 | |
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also shinobus view of just wanting to die already is a pretty common view in series with vampire characters because i have found out that elmost all vampires when they get to a point all end up saying that the one beautiful thing about a human life compared to a vampires is death. examples in Hellsing and Vampire Hunter D.
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2009-11-11, 08:43 | Link #60 | |
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I'm not so sure he'll make that kind of call. I mean he said himself the Kaiis were always there. Besides he's willing to be involved with Senjougahara. Sure he tries to take care of things without getting her involved but, being with her means she will be involved. If he's willing to still be with Senjougahara then I can't see him rejecting children for that same reason. Also isn't it that he can't protect others because he's part oddity not thanks to it? He said himself he can't become like Oshino because he's 1/10 oddity. So wouldn't becoming 100% human again actually allow him to help people better and protect those around him better? Being a physical shield clearly can only do so much. I have no idea how things will end for Araragi. Really things seem to be pushing him to realizing he can't just try to help everyone. He needs to pick and choose what's important to him and focus on that. I'd like for things to end well for everyone but that doesn't seem possible. If he decides to keep Shinobu at a high importance level then he can't let her die. Which means he can't really help people as much as he would like. If your right and he will constantly be involved with the oddities then it's almost demanded he let Shinobu go. Since Oshino won't be around forever he'll have to resolve the problems himself. But he won't be able to do that unless he's not an oddity. Seems like he's at a crossroad and has to make a choice. If he keeps going as he is then eventually he'll get too involved in something and get himself killed. I really only see those two paths for him. The body he has is handy but it clearly is limited and can't solve everything. What goes on in Araragi's mind is beyond me. He has to make a choice about what he wants to do.
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